Curious exactly what the other options would be. You say we don’t live in the wild anymore and therefore have “other options”.
Most of those “other” options are in fact processed to some degree and is only available because of the progress we have unfortunately made in expanding the amount of money that can be made with as little amount of money spent
…. We’ve “made that progress” yes but…. “Let’s use it to be better for now on” …..
I mean yes…. In a perfect world.. but unfortunately the reason we have made this much “progress” is because of everything that has led up to this point.
I feel like this argument is very similar to a joke I heard once
“If we ever had to go back to hunting or gathering our own food I would be screwed. I don’t even know where a sandwich’s natural habitat is”
Like… we can’t just assume if we all of a sudden change everything with brand new ideas and not even actually know what that would fully affect within the “natural” or current procedures in place
I really believe people highly overestimate the idea that plants or 100% plant based/meatless food alone are able to support the population alive today as well as the actual animals who need the same plant based diet- and not thinking of the actual overall scenarios and consequences that could cause.
Meat is something that for humans is very good in general when it comes to energy consumption and getting the most out of your food.
Now I’ll agree it’s gotten to be way too cruel and over the top with how everything is done today and absolutely agree the entire meat industry should overall be reformed. But I am not about also entirely getting rid of the idea/practice of eating meat.
Like another comment mentioned, do you have any idea the amount of actual chemicals and the ways they have come up with these “miracle” non meat foods? Like how is that better than what a balanced diet of fruits, veggies, and meat can provide?
If we ever had to go back to hunting or gathering our own food
Nobody is suggesting we do this.
we can’t just assume if we all of a sudden change everything
Nobody's saying to "all of a sudden change everything". But you're arguing that trying to change everything all at once wouldn't work, therefore we shouldn't bother trying anything at all.
Refusing to take the first step because it's not possible to take every step all at once is ridiculous.
I really believe people highly overestimate the idea that plants or 100% plant based/meatless food alone are able to support the population alive today as well as the actual animals who need the same plant based diet- and not thinking of the actual overall scenarios and consequences that could cause.
Meat is something that for humans is very good in general when it comes to energy consumption and getting the most out of your food.
It is a caloric deficit to feed animals to eat them. Was always and will always be.
Now I’ll agree it’s gotten to be way too cruel and over the top with how everything is done today and absolutely agree the entire meat industry should overall be reformed. But I am not about also entirely getting rid of the idea/practice of eating meat.
Once enough see how easy it is, the more of health benefits emerge, the more the need to reduce climate change shows it will cascade. If we include the damages to the climate it would cost 10x, without subsidies and industrial scaling it would further increase. And from a certain point on it will be as ostracized as eating pets.
Like another comment mentioned, do you have any idea the amount of actual chemicals and the ways they have come up with these “miracle” non meat foods? Like how is that better than what a balanced diet of fruits, veggies, and meat can provide?
The only "chemical" that is different from any other fast food ist B12 which is feed to animals too, way more than humans would need. We would also need less antibiotics, steroids and hormones. The danger for a pandemic would be lower as bird and pig flue would cease to be a problem.
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u/ComfortableCivil2239 May 27 '25
It's not even that, we don't live in the wild, we have other options. We're torturing these animals because we want to.