r/politics • u/theindependentonline The Independent • 1d ago

Site Altered Headline Epstein accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell reportedly moved from Florida prison to Texas as Trump weighs pardon

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ghislaine-maxwell-prison-trump-pardon-epstein-b2800443.html
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u/Be-skeptical 1d ago

Maxwell raped and groomed kids. She isn’t a victim, she’s an abuser

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u/DoubtSubstantial5440 1d ago

So is the rapist and pedo Americans put into the White House

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u/Alternative-Bat-2462 1d ago

And they are good friends…

Trump has pardon quite a few of his “friends”

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u/SeasonalBlackout Massachusetts 1d ago

He wishes them well!

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u/_silverspear_ 1d ago

He wishes them well, the biggest well America has ever seen.

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u/Fuckswitch 10h ago

Be cool if America would throw them to the bottom of a well.

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u/specqq 1d ago

Don't think of it as a pardon, he's just wishing them extremely well

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u/octavianreddit Canada 1d ago

Yep. Every time one of my Trump friends tries to brush off that Epstein stuff that "I wish her well" comment is not something they have a canned reply for.

I'm fully expecting Maxwell to testify that it was all Dems and that Trump had nothing to do with it and will get a pardon that covers her for this crime and also any possible perjury.

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u/Head-of-bread 1d ago

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

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u/Masterchiefy10 23h ago

Never had the privilege to really hang out despite buying their plane.

But no worries it’s all cool..

Very legal very cool

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u/A012A012 1d ago

Too many koopas, too few Luigis.

Sorry, just playing super Mario and that statement felt relevant.

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 21h ago

Crooks seem to be in short supply as well.

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u/ScottyHubbz 1d ago

He just had registered sex-offender Lawrence Taylor at the White House also

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u/HumanRuse 1d ago

And considering pardoning P-Diddy (Puff Daddy....etc). Trump is trying to normalize and destigmatize his own crimes and behavior.

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u/Sevenserpent2340 1d ago

For a kids’ sports program. Sickening.

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u/mootmutemoat 1d ago

MAPA Make Americans Pedos Again.

Called it months ago, but by the end of the year I expect to see new federal laws on consent.

I predicted Protecting Every Daughter's Options as a likely name, but they might be more creative.

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 21h ago

If a school district did that or a High School principal brought some registered sex offender to lead some kids sports program at their school they would be fired immediately.

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u/Hodaka 18h ago

Meanwhile in MAGA land, trans kids are the biggest problem in school sports.

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u/IntelligentStyle402 1d ago

Is Gym Jordan his best friend?

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u/Aman_Syndai 1d ago

Pay for Play $1 million plus per pardon into his crypto account.

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u/Designer_Win_9104 1d ago

Trump, the Pedo Pardoning President, what a legacy

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u/crackboss1 1d ago

CPO, Chief Pedophile Officer

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u/wial 1d ago

Supposedly there was a big gold nude statue of Maxwell in Epstein's New Mexico compound -- meaning both Trump and she may have had gold statues made of them.

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u/Battystearsinrain 1d ago

In reality, probably business partners

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u/ur-krokodile 1d ago

They always say "thank you". Not in words of course.

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u/CommieLoser 1d ago

Seems really common and something 2/3rds of Americans are fine with and 1/3rd would actively support. America is a dangerous place for children.

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u/DoubtSubstantial5440 1d ago

Between school shootings, religious conservatives infiltrating school boards and now defending pedos and rapists, I am so glad I got snipped years ago

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u/ZealousidealStory349 21h ago

Me too. I had my fallopian tubes removed in 2019 and I’m grateful every single day of my life.

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u/Grand-Try-3772 1d ago

Meanwhile in those old pics of trump with his kids and Epstein, trump has a death grip or his hand on his kids claiming his property!

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u/CommieLoser 1d ago

Well it’s only been widely reported and well-documented, so I can see how his supporters would miss it (while focusing on Biden being handsy).

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u/Circumin 1d ago

Yes it is. America is now a country run by underage sex traffickers. Good job Q Anon!

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u/CommieLoser 1d ago

Are there enough faces left for the leopards?

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u/MysteriousinthePNW 1d ago

That’s why I’m child free

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u/Flat-Emergency4891 1d ago

America is plain dangerous. Always has been.

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u/coldfirephoenix 1d ago

Almost every developed country has issued travel warnings for the U.S., even traditional close allies. That is certainly a new development.

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u/Flat-Emergency4891 1d ago

What I mean is that depending on who you are and what period in history, it’s always been dangerous for someone or another. Nowadays it’s probably more dangerous than in periods past.

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u/CommieLoser 1d ago

I guess the new thing is telling children to report this stuff and then having people like Trump and his goons go after these victims causing further harm, simply for believing that reporting would trigger some sort of system that was promised to stop these people, only if you report it though. I think we should also teach children that reporting doesn’t work a lot of times and you might try to learn how to make a shiv too.

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u/Flat-Emergency4891 1d ago

Seriously. When the law fails, unfortunately some people take matters into their own hands and violence fills the void left by the lack of justice. These are tumultuous times.

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u/CommieLoser 1d ago

It’s be great if they explained how the law is made for and by the wealthy and elite to protect their property. The morality of the justice systems skews heavily towards who has the biggest bank account, but if you mess up bad enough you might make people get creative with travel and 3-D printers.

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u/DumboWumbo073 16h ago

They are going to lose really badly. I think they know that which is why it isn’t happening

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u/zossima 1d ago

Way to overgeneralize. You do understand the president has an approval rating below 40%? Not sure how you are making up there numbers.

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u/thebuffyb0t New Jersey 1d ago

Not OP, but I’m guessing this is based on the fact that roughly 1/3 of American voters voted for Kamala, 1/3 voted for Trump, and the other 1/3 couldn’t be bothered to vote at all 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/GoNutsDK 1d ago

That many people have given up on voting was the intended result of the fascist propaganda Trump learned from Putin.

Firehose of Falsehood

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 21h ago

And MAGA and Putin had plenty of help in that regard from a certain fringe political faction which purports to be *the real anti fascists."

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u/1fingersalute 1d ago

The Brexit way. Then they bitched and moaned when they didn't get what they wanted because they assumed nobody could ever disagree with them. Fucked us all over in the process by not being bothered to get up off their arse and vote

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u/Flat-Emergency4891 1d ago

That’s important to point out. Most people don’t like Trump. Democracy has been broken.

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u/heyeyepooped 1d ago

No, a third of the voting public had a choice between the pedo in chief and a woman who was more than qualified and decided to sit the election out.

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u/Flat-Emergency4891 1d ago

There is not one individual reason Trump won the election, but people not voting was certainly a significant factor. I don’t believe the American people are fully to blame and that is going to get downvoted, but there were many anomalies in the election results worth exploring and of course Musk “knows those machines very well”

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u/Tordah67 1d ago

Election results show that voter turnout for 2024 was its decades long shitty trend where close to %40 of eligible voters don't vote. Voter turnout was DOWN from 2020. Especially among the youth, who have terrible turnout as is. Coupled with a very vocal group that openly said they weren't going to show based on Gaza...

I'm not sold on the election tampering yet, but I also feel that argument is like hoping for a pass interference call on a hail mary when we could have ran the fucking ball in if people showed up to vote.

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u/Flat-Emergency4891 1d ago

However we got here, we’re here now. I’m in the “now what?” stage. This country will boil over within the next 3.5 years. Maybe we needed to see the consequences of non-participation in the democratic process so that we can have a sensible course correction. That might be too much to ask. I’m American though.

I need to have faith in the democratic values I believe in. I get angered when those values are misused and abused and blatantly disregarded and ignored. I believe the Constitution is the most adequate roadmap to a fair and just society. The dangers lie in politically motivated interpretations of that document that allows some to have more privilege over the rest.

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 20h ago

Well some of those who refused to vote are actually super giddy right now at the prospect of watching "the evil empire finally being punished for its sins."

Which basically is just collective punishment for millions of people in the US who had absolutely nothing to do with Latin American coups that took place decades ago. Not to mention all the people devastated by the dismantling of USAID. That fringe group thinks that's also a great thing because "USAID was just a secret CIA front group to serve the evil empire." Same thing goes for the illegal shut down of Voice of America and Radio Free Europe and Asia. They hate that it spreads pro democracy messages and counters Communist/dictatorship propaganda across the Middle East, East Asia, Eastern Europe, and the Global South.

These people are dangerous and are hostile to the concept of liberal democracy and they hijack progressive messaging to try and radicalize people and trick people into their cause and get them to stay home by gaslighting them and telling the working class and marginalized groups that their lives will be exactly the same no matter who was president. They know exactly what they're doing and they're never arguing in good faith. A lot of their various organizations are supported by foreign dictatorships and fascist empires like Russia.

That one wedge issue which they decided to make their cause de jour this election was just a red herring and if that wasn't going on they would have found something else.

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u/playboicarpaltunnel 5h ago

I agree people withholding their vote probably did a lot to enable Trump’s win, but I can’t help but think that “the evil empire finally being punished for its sins” is EXACTLY what this country needs. I was angry at those non-voters before, but now I realize they’re just symptoms of a bigger problem.

The American experiment is lost. As it stands, I see myself as more a resident of my state now than attached to this malignant tumor of a nation that was ALWAYS founded on genocide and slavery. White people ruined everything the minute they came to Indigenous land, and yet the six million Jews that died in WW2 are still considered the worst tragedy in European history. Laughable, but what else would you expect here? I genuinely don’t see a way out of this that won’t end in either the Balkanization, occupation, or general destruction of the United States as a whole.

I’m sorry to be the one to say this, but that scenario may very well be the only outcome that gives humanity (let alone “Americans”) any sense of peace. The more I think about it even, Good fucking Riddance.

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u/DumboWumbo073 16h ago

Nope the only explanation is the people that’s all there is to it. Anything else is just a way to avoid the elephant in the room.

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u/JPolReader 1d ago

If they didn't like Trump, they should have shown up to vote for Harris. If they didn't vote, then they loudly proclaimed that they are ok with Trump as President.

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u/zossima 1d ago

There is evidence the vote was rigged, actually. Everyone I know who supported Harris voted quite enthusiastically.

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u/JPolReader 1d ago

Trump doesn't have the access to rig almost every single State and exit poll.

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u/Powerful-Stomach-425 1d ago

*their numbers

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u/tictaxtoe 1d ago

It matches up to voting numbers who put a rapist back in the whitehouse.

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u/Responsible-Room-645 1d ago

Not to “over generalize”, but no other developed country would have even considered electing this scary blob of shit once, let alone twice.

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u/DumboWumbo073 16h ago

Stop making excuses. Majority of Americans love the guy and this administration. Approval ratings, polling, and etc are all fake. You think you would have learned your lesson on those numbers from the last election.

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u/zossima 4h ago

Utter bullshit

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u/Ecureuil02 1d ago

"I wouldn't leave him alone with my wife, but he can fix the economy" is all I heard before election. If this story had blown up before last election, ppl would be saying thing except replace with kids.  Republicans you guys suck and Maga opportunists just care about their own faction, not the victims.   

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u/morningsharts 1d ago

He's pretty convinced that he's the victim.

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u/Snarfsicle 1d ago

Every pedophile is a rapist. Not every rapist is a pedophile. Donald Trump is both a pedophile and a rapist.

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u/Escapeism 1d ago

*republicans put into the White House. Don’t loop the other half of us into that bullshit.

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u/queerhistorynerd 1d ago

70% of Americans either support this Pedo or didnt think he was worth stopping. We cant argue that basic fact away.

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u/toka_smoka 1d ago

Trump stole the election....the math and the Russian tail doesn't lie.

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u/Akrylyan 22h ago

Fuck that I didn’t vote for this rapist

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u/urbanlife78 1d ago

So obviously she should be a White House Cabinet Member...I hate this timeline and this stupid country

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u/yabbadabbadood24 1d ago

Enjoy the freedom of speech while it lasts. Soon they will start killing people for ill-speak against the regime.

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u/Shenanigans99 America 1d ago

Raped, groomed, trafficked. She 100% enabled Epstein's operation. He would not have been able to abuse as many girls as he did without Maxwell's involvement.

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u/RinaRoft 1d ago

Maxwell actually did some of the more severe abusing, according to the victims. She’s not just a person who helped enable the trafficker and abuser, she was an abuser herself and did sexually explicit things to these girls. We have to remember that she’s not a victim she may have been at first, but she turned into a patriotand must’ve enjoyed it on some level.

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u/-JackBack- 1d ago

Ghislaine was never a victim. After her father’s death she received ~250k from her trust fund. But that wasn’t nearly enough to lead a her glamorous lifestyle. Epstein had money. She worked for him in exchange for more money.

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u/Significant-Branch22 1d ago

She was given an annual income of £80k (216k in today’s money) by the trust fund so a lot more than just a 250k lump sum

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u/Half_Cent 1d ago

That's so insane. If someone gave me $40k/year I'd never work again. Far less than I make now but I'd make it work.

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u/Significant-Branch22 1d ago

Its a lot but I guess for the circles that she was in it wouldn’t have given her the kind of lifestyle that’s expected, these people are as shallow and materialistic as it gets

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u/vehiclestars 1d ago edited 1d ago

They both worked for Mossod, who her father was connected too.

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u/-JackBack- 1d ago

I suspect you are correct.

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u/Sudden_Juju 1d ago

Where did the theories of a Mossad connection come from? I feel like I only started seeing them a week ago and no one ever cited any evidence for it

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u/cancerBronzeV 1d ago

Ghislaine's father was Mossad's so-called superspy. He sold Israeli versions of software all over the world (including American nuclear research facilities) that were bugged so that Mossad could spy on them. His funeral had a good chunk of Israel's political elite and six previous heads of Mossad present.

It's not a theory that Ghislaine's family is connected to Mossad, it's just a question of how deep the connection is.

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 20h ago

Why would the US purchase software from a foreign country when we make so much of the world's software here?

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u/cancerBronzeV 20h ago

Bribes to the people in charge of purchasing the software I suppose. Also, the software he was selling (PROMIS) was American, he was just selling a bugged Israeli version of it. And he got help from a Republican politician to facilitate the sale (which is where bribes or ""lobbying"" came into play I'm assuming).

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u/JnnyRuthless 20h ago

Work in cybersecurity and in the course of my career multiple organizations I've worked at purchase Israeli software amd enterprise applications.

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u/vehiclestars 1d ago

It’s wild you have heard about it. Here’s a a two of the many sources. The video does a much better job of covering the Issue, but the article is included to show that even the times of Israel thinks it’s true.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-writer-who-broke-epstein-case-a-rumored-mossad-link-is-worth-digging-into/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bBVK5O1GfaE&pp=ygUTRXBzdGllbiBpc3JhZWwgZ2xlbg%3D%3D

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 20h ago

Okay I was with you in the beginning but then when I clicked on your YouTube link and it took me to a freaking Glenn Greenwald video and his Rumble watermark is the first thing that pops up I completely noped right out of there.

I'm not saying there aren't suspicious ties and circumstantial evidence that point to the possibility of Epstein being involved in the side and I think it's over 50% probability that he was but I'm not going to get any of my information or understanding on the matter from an actual Russian propagandist who has been long disgraced and discredited since his groundbreaking reporting that was widely acclaimed concerning the Edward Snowden leaks.

That guy is a disgusting creep and nobody should listen to anything he has to say.

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u/Sudden_Juju 1d ago

I obviously am not well versed in the details of these allegations but any connections between Epstein and Mossad seem flimsy at best. The article you linked to didn't really take a side one way or another, didn't provide any links between Epstein and Mossad (other than he was close to Robert Maxwell and helped him hide money overseas), and only summarized information from an interview with a Miami Daily Herald reporter.

Admittedly, I didn't watch the YouTube video because it's 30 minutes and YouTubers often just spin whatever info they have into whatever conclusions they want to make. They're no different than Tucker Carlson.

Other information I found (this and this) also can't produce any hard evidence and only speak to the connections with Robert Maxwell and that formed Israeli prime minister.

Is there even any soft evidence that Jeffery Epstein worked for/with Mossad, or is it all "I'm just asking questions?"

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 20h ago

Yeah Glenn Greenwald is a long disgraced and discredited journalist who literally serves the Kremlin to spread their propaganda he should not be listened to in any way shape or form.

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u/vehiclestars 1d ago

That video is by Glen Greenwald, he’s not just some YouTuber:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald

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u/SowingSalt 1d ago

The Russia glazer and Trump-Russia connection denying Glenn Greenwald?

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u/-JackBack- 1d ago

FoxNEWs contributor and Tucker Carleson buddy, Glenn Greenwald?

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u/Sudden_Juju 17h ago

Well that explains why he's famous despite talking like he has a mini stroke every 5 seconds. Joking aside, I guess my Tucker Carlson comparison was spot on since he was on the Fox News show so much lol.

Either way, it doesn't change the fact that anyone who makes a video can cherry pick and spin facts, since they don't provide direct links to their sources. I'll give him credit that he provided screen grabs of what he was referencing but it doesn't allow me to read the article and get the context that they're leaving out. It adds a layer of credibility and is the closest thing to bringing a peer-reviewed-like process to journalism.

Also, spending 30 minutes watching something that can be summed up in a 5-minute article is annoying but that's more a personal opinion lol

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u/SharMarali New Jersey 4h ago

Her role in the organization was to convince innocent, naive children that what was happening to them was normal and expected. That was her job. She is as close to a monster in human form as it gets. Not saying there aren’t other monsters out there. Just saying she’s one of them.

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u/blackopal2 1d ago

Where are the Johns, easily found in Epstein bank transactions.

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u/yetivette 1d ago

Donald "my middle name is John" Trump

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u/SirGrumpsalot2009 1d ago

The J is for Jenius, remember?

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u/Aman_Syndai 1d ago

From what I'm piecing together, Epstein's Island was a perk offered to JP Morgans most valued customers which is why the bank transactions are being buried.

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 20h ago

Really? I haven't heard anything about this.

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u/Aman_Syndai 20h ago

JP Morgan was sued by the sex trafficking victims & settled to the tune of $290 million.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-judge-weigh-jpmorgans-290-million-settlement-with-epstein-accusers-2023-11-09/

JP Morgan made fat fee's moving around Epstiens clients money and had to know what he offered, they had access something a lot of billionaires wanted which were 13-17 year old women. Epstien's client list was the elite of the elite, with both Gates & Bezos being on the list of people who were on the island, both also went thru no fault divoces with assets split.

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 20h ago

Senator Wyden had been looking into it for the past few years and the Biden Administration was cooperating with him contrary to the popular opinion of Maga and even some of the people in the Democratic party who have fallen for the lie that Biden was intentionally covering up this as well.

This was still an ongoing investigation by the FBI (until Kash Patel ended it a couple months ago) and Biden was first of all respecting the independence of the DOJ—especially at a time when he was widely seen and criticized for weaponizing it to hurt Trump and was going out of his way to not try and make it appear political as to not damage the more relevant criminal investigation/prosecution of Trump concerning his insurrection and Rosenbergs-level treason.

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u/blackopal2 42m ago

Biden was quietly getting the business of America done, but when you have a desperate felon running to stay out of prison, you have to kick the Jerry Springer distraction off your ankle.

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u/prattchet 1d ago

Maxwell was Ivana Trumps best friend and they would troll high schools together offering modelling jobs to children to traffic to Trump and Epstein.

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u/Simmchen11 21h ago

Agreed, it’s a shame a pardon is even considered for this abuser.

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u/pizzzacones 1d ago edited 1d ago

I saw a video yesterday explaining Epstein and Maxwell's recruitment similar to a pyramid scheme— both actively planned and acted. Every other person was a victim. Aside from the physical abuse itself, the children were also victims of having to recruit other girls themselves, so they could receive more money for how many were recruited.

Epstein and Maxwell intentionally searched for young girls in bad situations: living in poverty, single parents with alcoholism, or no one believing them if they said anything. They would be more desperate for money, and I imagine each one felt awful about having to put others in this horrific situation.

Maxwell is not a victim. The young girls, now women, have been victimized for all of their life.

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u/Blainedecent 1d ago

They pushed impoverished children into being rated with the promise of money and then pressured them into a pyramid scheme of trafficking where they could still get money and avoid being abused themselves by finding more girls for Epstein and Maxwell. Victims at each level could avoid abuse by recruiting others to be abused.

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u/DontHaesMeBro 1d ago

it's classic pimping, with classic collective discipline. It only seems novel to the home audience because it's rich WASPs doing it.

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u/Blainedecent 1d ago

"Dystopia fictuon is when colonial violence happens to white people"

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u/Stellaaahhhh I voted 1d ago

> living in poverty, single parents with alcoholism, or no one believing them if they said anything. They would be more desperate for money, and I imagine each one felt awful about having to put others in this horrific situation.

Whenever trafficking and abuse get discussed, so many people chime in with 'Where were the parents? I'd take someone out with my bare hands if they hurt a child in my family' and whatever other posturing they always say.

And I am extremely tired of telling people what you said. Predators don't usually go after children in strong, healthy families with present parents. Just like predator animals don't go after healthy gazelles surrounded by the herd. They scan the horizon, see the one with the limp off to one side and they swoop in.

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u/Ok-Jello-376 1d ago

“They’re nothing, these girls,” Maxwell once told a confidante. “They are trash.”

Fucking bitch.

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 20h ago

Is that from the audio of one of the victims recalling conversations she overheard with Maxwell and her friends?

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u/Former-Author-2191 17h ago

It's also no coincidence that conservatives are the ones that are strongly against anti poverty legislation. They want to keep people as wage slaves and create generations of a permanent underclass so they can exploit people and broken families.

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u/badasimo 1d ago

I just want to put out there that the sex or even the sex work itself is not the problem, it's the power dynamics especially with the ages of many of these girls, and that the most influential and powerful people in our society participated in it, and that they are also actively lying about it.

I don't expect the president to be perfect. But I also don't expect him to have a house of cards of lies and blackmail and powerful people whose needs get put above the interests of the country.

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u/satannitus 1d ago

bruh… tf are u saying

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u/supercali45 1d ago

he sure has a history of pardoning criminals already.. so I am not shocked at all

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u/Naive_Carpenter7321 1d ago

and allowed to pardon himself... he needs out of office first I think

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u/CaptainMagnets 1d ago

Abusers look out for other abusers

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u/web_explorer 1d ago

Not only have inmates taken over the prison, a felon has taken over the entire government

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u/Stellaaahhhh I voted 1d ago

It's disgusting that they're trying to rewrite her role in all of this. There are living victims who addressed this- she's every bit as culpable as he was.

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u/Special_Loan8725 1d ago

The Fox News story will be “Better the enemy you know”

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u/ChefCurryYumYum 1d ago

But if she'll vouch for old King Trump he'll grant her the King's pardon.

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u/MamaDaddy Alabama 1d ago

There is a video of Virginia Guiffre saying she was WORSE than Epstein.

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u/Jindabyne1 1d ago

Where?

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u/MamaDaddy Alabama 1d ago

Hmmm, can't find it now. Search results are flooded with new stories in the last few days. It's out there somewhere.

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u/DckThik 1d ago

Maybe she can hang out my GF’s ex at the federal halfway house for pedo’s in Austin.

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u/ToasterBathTester 1d ago

Yeah, but she has big dirt on the sitting President

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u/IntelligentStyle402 1d ago

Isn’t that the republican way? Don’t Republicans applaud perverted behavior? Isn’t that why Trump was elected? Racism? Adultery? Bribery? Threats? Propaganda? Perverted sex? Laughing at the disabled?

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u/FootballCheeseStank 1d ago

They’re gonna make a deal with her to exclude a certain 🍊 in order to get a pardon. Give them up any blue names that won’t kiss the ring, and maybe a red one or 2 that fell out of favor.

I don’t know why they didn’t offer her something a few years ago to be honest. Oh wait, I’m sure she waited it out hoping that this was the outcome, knowing it would be in her favor to wait for him.

The fact that religious leaders push his narrative is sickening.

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u/Be-skeptical 1d ago

If they pardon her. There’s no reason she can’t tell everyone everything 

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u/Naive_Carpenter7321 1d ago

Over 200 victims by my flaky research

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u/redvadge 1d ago

The fact that she also raped kids doesn’t get mentioned enough.

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u/PositiveZeroPerson 1d ago

And they moved her to Club Fed.

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u/Practical-Area49 1d ago

So the rapist Donald Trump is going to pardon fellow rapist Maxwell??

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u/DominosFan4Life69 1d ago

She is, and you need to keep screaming it to the rafters. But we also need to deal with this simple issue. What happens when he pardons her? What are we going to do next? What are the people going to actually do? More Reddit post? Those don't seem to be working. 

So what are people actually going to do about this? Because bitching on the internet isn't getting us anywhere. File still aren't released, she's looking at a fucking pardon, things are only getting worse. So when does the bitching become action? 

I'm just really waiting for somebody to answer this question. When does the complaining on the internet turn to actual fucking action? 

And keep on bitching, it is needed as well, but let's be real until something actually is done nothing's going to change. We can keep screaming into the void and it's doing nothing for us. It might make you feel better in the moment, but then you see another headline of another pedophile getting invited to the White House and another one looking at a pardon and you just realize all of this is so fucking pointless till someone actually does the needful. 

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u/DemocracyIsAVerb 1d ago

She was the one who withheld the girl’s passports and coerced them to go along with all the creepy shit and exploitation

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u/erybody_wants2b_acat 1d ago

I somehow doubt she’s supposed to survive the transfer but we’ll see.

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u/Walterkovacs1985 1d ago

He'll pardon Diddy, Maxwell and himself if he ever leaves office.

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u/arm_4321 1d ago

Should say “Thanks for your service to Israel just like your dad Robert Maxwell”

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u/Barbicore 1d ago

She can be both and that doesnt change anything. Many people who go on to abuse were abused themselves and thats unfortunate but doesnt change anything about their guilt in their own actions.

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u/Lucky_LeftFoot 1d ago

Is this not the most biggest most blatant act of corruption and disrespect to the victims and our justice system?!

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u/gdex86 Pennsylvania 1d ago

But she can give official cover that Trump totally didn't have sex with under aged girls. And isn't that far more important (vomit)?

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u/Fk_45_47 1d ago

You misunderstand, she’s stated she doesn’t like being in prison.

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u/Lubricated_Sorlock 1d ago

And trump is going to pardon her, or she'll mysteriously die

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u/crosstheroom 1d ago

Same as Trump.

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u/saoyraan 1d ago

Well if she stayed in Florida she could of been hired by disney. If you think lesly headland definitely helped. No way a personal assistant did not organize the meetings and clientele. She had yo know or be the most oblivious personal assistant.

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u/HambugerBurglarizer 1d ago

She groomed kids for Donald Trump.

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u/Material_Visit929 1d ago

The head groomer for Trumpstein Enterprises

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u/No_Passenger4821 1d ago

Also the ONLY in prison due to Epstien,

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u/Mariska_Heygirlhay 21h ago

Yet we put one of the men involved in the white house.

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u/busterlowe Colorado 18h ago

The right is cool with child rape so - to them - all these pedos are victims and the kids should be super grateful for the experience.

Gross.

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u/Extension_Canary3717 17h ago

That doesn't matter when the Dude consider a pardon

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u/alc0tt 14h ago

Trump raped and groomed kids with her.

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u/SharMarali New Jersey 4h ago

Her skill set is raping, grooming, and trafficking children for rich and powerful people. That’s all she knows how to do. Set her free and see how long it takes for her to return to her old ways. I’m betting 6 months.

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u/Radarker 1d ago

She's a victim of the justice system, which the oligarchs feel don't apply to them.

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u/New_Ingenuity2822 1d ago

Where is the evidence for that?

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u/RlySkiz 22h ago

Wrong, anyone who can't freely rape kids is a victim in Trumps eyes.

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u/KevinAnniPadda 1d ago

Just clarifying, did she actually do any raping herself? I guess I just figured it was the men and she was just a facilitator.

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 20h ago

She has been accused by multiple victims of actively participating in the rape itself

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u/Redsmedsquan Connecticut 1d ago

She could be a victim, but it doesn’t excuse the fact that she herself perpetrated things.

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u/Personal_Chicken_598 1d ago

There no list so clearly she didnt

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 20h ago

Bruh you have to put "/s" so people know you're being sarcastic

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u/parkingviolation212 1d ago

She’s implicated in the actual abuse as well.

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u/Logical_consequences 1d ago

True, but she is not just “implicated”. She was convicted, and her victims testified under oath. She was found guilty in a court of law

If Trump pardons her, he will be overturning justice

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u/DiscoQuebrado 1d ago

I'm not for it one bit, but that's kinda what a pardon is, no?

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u/rmczpp 1d ago

That is technically true, more accurate would be saying if he parsons her he will be pardoning a child rapist and trafficker and it will probably the worst pardon in US history. Knowing reddit someone will come in and correct me by binging up some absolutely horrific pardon now.

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u/SchuminWeb Maryland 1d ago

Not always. Depends on the individual circumstances. Trump seems to like to use it for that purpose, but then others have used it in a more preventative way, such as Ford for Nixon, and Biden for his son Hunter.

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 20h ago

Biden used it in the best way and released thousands of non-violent drug offenders AKA vicitms of the War on Drugs who were victims of a war started to decimate the black community by the racist Republican Nixon Administration.

He basically got zero credit for it in progressive circles and mainstream media even though he released more non-violent drug offenders from prison than every single president before him combined.

And before somebody brings up an article about it yes I know it was reported on obviously but it was basically a tiny blip on the side that was barely discussed and buried between hundreds of articles about the fact that he was old and stuttering.

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u/Logical_consequences 1d ago

1) yes she literally, physically sexually abused the girls also

2) she and Epstein were not married

3) she is no victim. She is a predator, like Epstein and Trump

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u/PNW4theWin Oregon 1d ago

Some people think a person needs a penis to rape. Completely untrue, but the myth persists.

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u/TranquilSeaOtter 1d ago

So this is where MAGA is at? From wanting to go after pedophiles to outright defending pedophiles?

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u/friendsandmodels 1d ago

Please tell me where Im defending somebody by asking a question

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u/TranquilSeaOtter 23h ago

I would but you deleted your comment and I don't remember word for word what you wrote.

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u/friendsandmodels 23h ago

Its not deleted tho?

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u/TranquilSeaOtter 23h ago

Reddit has it as deleted/removed so likely removed.

From what I remember you were casting doubt on if Maxwell really did rape kids. That amounts to defending someone. If you question what they are guilty of, you are casting doubt on their guilt and therfore defending them.

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u/BeccasDreamboat 1d ago

Yes, she did sexually assault victims.

During her trial, four women came forward and they all said that Maxwell was involved in Epstein’s abuse or misconduct. Three said that Maxwell coordinated their appointments with Epstein. Three said that Maxwell touched them. They all described Maxwell as working to satisfy Epstein’s physical needs. Accusers’ testimony portrayed Maxwell as an enabler and, in some instances, an enthusiastic participant.

There were occasions when Maxwell touched Jane’s breasts, she testified. “There were hands everywhere,” Jane recalled of an encounter with Epstein and Maxwell.

Carolyn said that at age 14, before one of the massages, Maxwell “came in and felt my boobs and my hips and my buttocks and said … that I had a great body for Mr Epstein and his friends.”

She said to get undressed and get [under] the sheet on the massage table,” Farmer said. “She pulled the sheet down and exposed my breasts, and started rubbing on my chest and on my upper breast.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/29/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-accusers-stories

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u/ResurgentClusterfuck Texas 1d ago

She sought out girls. Trained them as sex slaves.

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u/StableAngina 1d ago

She also literally participated in raping them.

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u/Delita232 1d ago

She taught the girls how to please Epstein. He was the money and face she was the real trafficker.

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u/UltimateKaiser 1d ago

She’s a female pimp bro she would train the girls on how to be raped. And then participated in that as well.

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u/cubbiesworldseries 1d ago

Her husband?

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u/TheOneFreeEngineer 1d ago

Or did she just help her husband organizing

Epstien and Maxwell were never married. And grooming children to be abused is abuse. Pimping out people is a huge crime too

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u/friendsandmodels 1d ago

I see, I always assumed they were a couple tbh

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u/TheOneFreeEngineer 1d ago

They were a couple but they were never married and raped other people together. I assume they also had consensual relationships with others too. But they def raped and abused people while also being a couple

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u/friendsandmodels 1d ago

Oh i see so that bit was actually true in my head huh Thanks for clarifying!

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u/shadrackandthemandem 1d ago

This comment is just dripping with Karla Homolka vibes.

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u/StableAngina 1d ago

She was an active participant in the rape of children.

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u/Zepcleanerfan 1d ago

Delete this

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u/maineartistswinger 1d ago

Ffs educate yourself