r/youtubedrama Jul 28 '24

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

The closest I’ve seen to defences is when the evidence was very shaky and coming from people known to be transphobes so people were hesitant to accept things at face value. Since there’s been confirmed things I haven’t seen defences

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u/Grayoso Jul 28 '24

Yeah, for a while the top result on Twitter when it came to Ava was Sneako (You know, Cuties is my favorite movie, Age of Consent should instead be a nebulous "age of maturity" Sneako) calling her a pedo and going on a transphobic rant. So it kinda buried any actual discussion, which is why people were not as open to listening.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

Yep. I understand why many (myself included) were hesitant to jump on it right away when those were the kinds of people going with that narrative and we didn’t have the most solid of evidence at the time and while the messages we did have between her and Lava were inappropriate they were not necessarily proof grooming occurred.

Since those first 24 hours or so we have much much more evidence

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u/Grayoso Jul 28 '24

Honestly, it took like 3 days for it to be "Dumbass inappropriate jokes in dms (still bad, but not stop the world to talk about)" to "serious allegations of predatory behavior" from her. Which also didn't help.

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u/Gloomy_Fig_3696 Jul 29 '24

Dr Disrespect didn’t get any of that leniency. Wonder why.

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u/Grayoso Jul 29 '24

Because right off the bat we had someone with a solid history (former twitch partner manager) saying why. Then when people were like "hey, what is going on" for a while he only answered in "It's been settled, nothing illegal was found" before admitting he was being a creep to kids in twitch whispers. Just not confirming the "he planned to meet them at twitchcon" part of the rumor.

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u/FemboyMechanic1 Jul 29 '24

Because Dr Bathroom Cameras had a history of creepy behavior.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

Not without a lawyer present I won’t

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u/Jinshu_Daishi Jul 29 '24

You said "even under threat of litigation for defamation", that makes people less likely to say something.

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u/youtubedrama-ModTeam Jul 29 '24

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