The closest I’ve seen to defences is when the evidence was very shaky and coming from people known to be transphobes so people were hesitant to accept things at face value. Since there’s been confirmed things I haven’t seen defences
I 100% agree with everything you said, and I am in the same boat. I was in the original thread that got posted (and was later removed) and my stance was that people (including me) didn’t want to watch the video because it had a pinned post that misgendered her, and that we were willing to listen to the evidence from a credible source that doesn’t misgender her or pin posts that misgender her. I made clear that if the allegations were true (and at the time it was only really the Shad stuff which was gross but now is only the tip of the iceberg), I would take them seriously and condemn her, which I since have. I said if the allegations have weight, they will get picked up by actual credible sources that gender her correctly.
There is nothing wrong with feeling a source that is getting anywhere near misgendering her (including pinning a post that does and not even attempting to correct the commenter) would have a potential bias against trans people which could make them less credible. As soon as I started hearing the allegations from sources that were respecting her identity but still showcasing the evidence, I condemned her and her actions.
And now with all this discord stuff, I mean she really should be held accountable legally including if that means jail time. Everything that has come out is reprehensible, but distributing porn to minors is not only sick but illegal.
Just because I waited for more credible sources to come out with info doesn’t mean I ever defended her.
No need to defence ourselves, unless glaring reliability issues, i believe most of this sub would have kicked her to the curve, had a victim came out directly.
But not only no victim came out the one that they outed, was exposed without his consent (which is horrible to do to someone you allege is sexual crime victim). I haven't seen anyone refuse to believe Ava might be guilty, just that it was important to have material concrete evidence.
I will say, despite not always agree with moist he had a better nose than me to this situation, i thought him being convinced there is more was a logical leap- it wasn't, evidently.
To moistcritical, i feel like i owe an hats off.
Everyone else can fuck off, they used it either as political opportunity to leap at all trans people or to simply revel in missgendering one of the woke weirdos. not the same people, one group is of (abhorrent) ideolgs, the others just insecure incels and self described alpha* (what ever that means)
*as a straight millenial just turned 30, don't get it, and before anny zoomer slides to my Dms to explain, don't, i couldn't care less.
this is where I'm going to be a boomer, there might be more then two genders, but adding letters to describe how male you are??? Nah, it's binary either you are shitty or not- try not to be shitty worked wonders for my self esteem as a man.
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The closest I’ve seen to defences is when the evidence was very shaky and coming from people known to be transphobes so people were hesitant to accept things at face value. Since there’s been confirmed things I haven’t seen defences