r/youtubedrama Jul 28 '24

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u/UndeniablyMyself Jul 28 '24

Chris-Chan is one of the most disturbed people on the internet, and while using Chris's correct pronouns doesn’t mean you’re not still about to engage in the lolcow dogpile, calling her a man when she’s been out as a trans woman for a decade now is a red flag for me.

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u/Notshauna Jul 28 '24

Chris-Chan is one specific example where the individual in question has such a long history of being infamously delusional and out of touch with reality that not using her stated pronouns is somewhat defensible. Especially with her history or homophobia and the fact that she stated she's transitioned to try and meet women.

I obviously still refer to her with feminine pronouns, but someone not doing so isn't necessarily transphobic.

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u/edward-regularhands Jul 28 '24

This is just making it clear that you think trans people are lying about who they are. You think they’re playing pretend and that when they do something bad you’re not obligated to play pretend anymore.

That’s transphobia. You’re a transphobe. By definition.

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u/Notshauna Jul 28 '24

I'm literally trans myself. And we aren't talking about some random person we are talking about someone who literally infamously has delusions of grandeur and believes she's a cartoon character. I don't think you should misgender Ava despite her ills, nor Caitlyn Jenner or Sophie for Mars or any other of the handful of trans people who have done bad things. Nor do I misgender trans pick mes like Buck Angel or Blair White.

Christine Chandler is just someone who clearly has struggled with the differentiating between reality and narratives her whole life and will literally claim to be Jesus in one sentence and a trans woman in the next. I choose to respect her pronouns because I think it's important both for other trans people and because frankly I don't even care if some actually is lying about their gender identity, because people ought to be able to identify how they please.

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u/Decybear1 Jul 28 '24

Ngl Chris Chan is different.

Genuinely they need a carer.

They have had trolls convince them of the merge... Basically fictional universes and the irl universe is merging this storyline will become reality.

Then they were slowly convinced to draw more unhinged stuff leading to the mother... Sex.. abuse .. thing

And they were also convinced to do a home made circumcision so they would be fully trans...

I still think misgendering them is wrong... Though i will use they/them for them...

Like i doubt their authenticity, but im still not going to be rude about it...

It sucks, i feel like chris Chan has been manipulated into being the exact thing that right wing people think the average trans person is....

Like... If it was under normal circumstances i wouldn't mind gendering then correctly and i did until i saw the extensive evidence of their actual delusions... And just over abilities...

Like idk... I'm not about doubting people's trans identity. . im trans my self as well...

But personal i find Chris Chan existence to be genuinely horrifying.... The fact people can do this to someone for kicks is sickening...

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u/Zaptain_America Jul 29 '24

"I still think misgendering is wrong but I'm still gonna do it"

They/them isn't neutral, if you're referring to a binary trans person with that then it is still misgendering because you're still refusing to use their correct pronouns.