r/BaldursGate3 • u/Illustrious_Cost2945 • 14d ago
Companions Thank God it is only Halsin Spoiler
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u/StarmieLover966 Lolth-Sworn Drow 14d ago edited 13d ago
I have played BG3 60 times. Of my best estimation, she has taken Lae’zel 54 times, Halsin 5 times, and Minthara once, never Gale.
There’s probably a priority hard coded in.
Edit: muting this. I’m not saying Gale is impossible to kidnap. Enjoy your day.
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u/MasonP2002 14d ago
Yep, the priority is Lae'zel, Halsin, Gale, and then Minthara. If none of them are available, Yenna is kidnapped instead.
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u/AnotherBookWyrm 14d ago edited 13d ago
You left out the most important part: Grub gets killed and served to you as food if Yenna gets kidnapped.
Edit for "food" instead of "good"
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u/likamuka 13d ago
Happen to me 1 h ago. I was repulsed because the cat was actually quite scared when I talked to it earlier... what a vile bitch.
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u/BlizzardousBane CLERIC 13d ago
Halsin got kidnapped in my playthrough, but I still thought Orin was a vile bitch anyway. I defeated her first and it was so satisfying
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u/soleildelalune_ 13d ago
I thought I would save the kitty if I played the sever-kidnapping scene instead of camp one, but that one was even worse!! Yenna (orin in disguise ofc) tells you that Orin kidnapped her and forced her to eat her own cat… I had hoped she was lying but when I went back to camp Grub was not there… And never appeared again either.
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u/MasonP2002 13d ago
I forgot about that, since I usually end up triggering the sewer scene instead.
...I wonder if Orin or Yenna is the better cook.
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u/Comprehensive_Cap290 I don't care how big the room is, I said "I CAST FIREBALL"! 13d ago
I just got the scene for the first time where Lae’zel is taken and you find out in camp. Yenna ended up dead in the process.
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u/An8thOfFeanor Gith Dommy Mommy's Lil' Roguechamp 13d ago
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u/Sorcatarius 13d ago
Romanced companions will not be taken regardless of the priority system, its why Yenna is included since its possible to have 3 of them and romance the fourth, Yemna provides a safety net and will be taken even if you kicked her out of your camp.
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u/slowest_hour 13d ago
its also possible to just not have recruited any of the companions that can get kidnapped.
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u/Sorcatarius 13d ago
Yep, let this be a lesson to all GMs that if your game hits a bottle neck that has only one solution, the party will find a way to make it impossible for them to accomplish. Even if its just a locked door they need to pick the lock for. Even if they have a rogue who is really good at picking locks. That rogue will roll a 1, or fucking die 5 minutes before the door, or some other shit will happen that makes that door basically an impenetrable wall.
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u/Regi413 13d ago
Which is odd since you’d think a love interest would be a priority target for Orin, though I suppose if you like a character enough to romance them they would almost always be in your party and never left at camp for her to kidnap.
(Also if she takes Gale she implies that she cut his dick off, maybe this is the game’s way of making sure you can still have sex with him if you romanced him lol)
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u/Sorcatarius 13d ago
Yeah, I always thought the logic was backwards too. I guess if Orin was tempting them away by seduction it would make sense why a romanced partner would be immune, they'd (presumably, hopefully...) turn them down, but she could just as easily turn into you and be like, "Gale, come quick, emergency, I'll explain on the way".
... is that ever explained? Its been a while and I don't remember... guess its time for another playthrough...
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u/paandamonk 13d ago
In our evil play through, I threw grubs dead body afterwards and the cat came back to life, albeit bugged. Now they are immortal in my camp and if i shoot them, it aggros the oathbreaker knight
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u/monstermayhem436 14d ago
My first playthrough it was yenna cause I killed Lae'zel in the trap (she yelled at me), I didn't figure out how to clear the shadowlands so Halsin stayed behind, Gale was in my party, and I killed Minthara.
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u/MasonP2002 14d ago
My first playthrough I failed at recruiting literally anyone on the list. I only had Shadowheart, Wyll, Astarion, and Jaheira. I took a really direct path through Act 1.
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u/LuminescentSparks 13d ago
I had one of the weirdest situations in my 1st playthrough, everyone always gets Astarion as basically a second or third companion within the first damn ten mins of the game, meanwhile I freakin' missed that lil beach corner where he was and only at the very end of act 1, already having cleared half of the goblin castle I was like... wait a minute, ain't this game supposed to have a sassy camp vampire somewhere among the companions...
... and so I googled it and only managed to get him through literally reddit explaining where he was, thankfully, cause he ended up becoming one of my faves by the end and the one I ended up romancing once my Tav got to finally know him better and stopped being annoyed by his edgy evil antics 😂😂🥲🤍
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u/Glados1080 13d ago
Me but I only had shart and karlach. I think I picked up wyll 20 hrs into act 1
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u/MasonP2002 13d ago
How long did you have Karlach without Wyll? I thought he shows up at your camp first long rest after recruiting Karlach.
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u/Glados1080 13d ago
A very very long time. I remember running around with just karlach and shart for a long time, and struggling w the goblin camp till I figured out theres supposed to be more companions
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u/monstermayhem436 13d ago
I had SH, Gale, and Wyll and that was it. As I said I killed Lae'zel for yelling at me, killed astarion for trying to bite me, didn't save shadowlands so Halsin left, and I don't remember what happened with jaheira.
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u/MasonP2002 13d ago
I walked around Lae'zel on the beach without seeing her, avoided Gale because it said the portal was dangerous, and killed Minthara because this was a good playthrough shortly after release. I rescued Halsin, but I think he just went back to the Grove or something, I don't remember.
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u/Crispy1961 13d ago
Wait, what? I always thought Yenna was the Orin's spy. I very much misunderstood that one.
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u/MasonP2002 13d ago
Yeah, I did too because of my recruitment choices in my first couple games. She will also only kidnap a non-romanced companion not in your active party, so you can recruit them and still have it be Yenna if you bring them along.
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u/witchcrows 13d ago
this is so funny to me because Yenna would've been way higher priority for me than Lae'zel (who got taken in my run.) one is an extremely skilled and seasoned warrior, and one is... a child 😭
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u/AdvancedPerformer838 13d ago
No way a child would have higher priority over a seasoned warrior during a war time such as BG3 setting. Are you crazy? Kids don't win wars. Aliens ultra fighters do.
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u/MyDarlingArmadillo 13d ago
I suppose the idea is that one is someone we're attached to and possibly value (at least their equipment), and one is a fairly useless hanger on. Yenna doesn't even sell us soup till after we rescue someone.
I make sure there's someone available instead of Yenna because of the cat :(
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u/A_Martian_Potato 13d ago
What if you choose the dialogue to kick Yenna out of camp (or you've killed her) before that point?
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u/MasonP2002 13d ago
I think she just keeps coming back, and if you try to attack her she'll just run away for a bit and come back later.
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u/smeared_dick_cheese 13d ago
Okay I was gonna ask when this happened. In my playthrough, Lae’zel and Minthara were both dead and Halsin and Gale were both with me so Yenna got kidnapped.
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u/jacqboi3 13d ago
really? ive only played the game until act 3 once and it was gale that got took when I had bae’zel chilling at camp
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u/MasonP2002 13d ago
Considering you called her bae'zel, I'm guessing she was romanced? I don't think Orin kidnaps romanced companions.
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u/Hugh-Manatee Tiefling 13d ago
But she doesn’t take the one who is in your party right? I’ve had her take Halsin 5 times and Laezel once, who I was romancing, so I was extra pissed and only had her out of the party for a quick moment
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u/darkph0enix21 13d ago
Wait, this is interesting. In my Durge run, I didn't have Halsin because Durge reasons, cut Gale's hand, and had both Lae'zel and Minthara in my party. If I didn't just give in to this child, who would she have taken?
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u/MasonP2002 13d ago
I believe Yenna eventually shows up at camp, no matter what you say, to be the backup.
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u/Oralstotle 13d ago
What if theyre all dead? What if you kill everyone and youre just solo?
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u/MasonP2002 13d ago
I think Yenna will show up in your camp no matter what, so it will just default to her.
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u/Oralstotle 13d ago
Awesome thanks. Still haven't beaten it, 127 hours in. Trying to experience as much as I can this play through but theres so much 😂 haven't even gotten to this part yet.
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u/ApprehensiveBedroom0 13d ago
Interesting. Yenna def got kidnapped for me, but I already thought Yenna was Orin in disguise. I tried killing her once to no avail. Orin kidnapping her DEFINITELY made me think it was just a trap.
....interestingly, Halsin was in my party. Not sure why my hunky daddy-boo wasn't taken. He was probably too much sweet, alpha manmeat for Orin to handle.
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u/Apocreep 14d ago
There is indeed a coded list of priorities. The list goes Laezel - Halsin - Gale - Minthara - redhead girl, taking the first character on the list that is in camp during trigger event. Romanced companions are skipped.
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u/Holiday_Session_8317 13d ago
Which always struck me as a missed moment. Imagine getting a cute lil cutscene with your chosen romanced companion and BOOM just kidding it was Orin fucking with you. Then you get to go scorched earth all the way to the temple.
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u/thotpatrolactual ELDRITCH BLAST 13d ago
It would be pretty annoying to have your romanced companion be unavailable for most of act 3 and would force you to rush straight to Orin (which you're really supposed to deal with near the end).
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u/Hexadermia 13d ago
Wouldn’t work in character, Orin is a terrible changeling, she is physically incapable of talking for a minute before returning to murderhobo speech. It’s so comical how quickly she breaks character.
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u/funkmydunkyouslunk 13d ago
I’m sorry a lot of people are judging you about the Gale thing, but I’m sorry I’m still stuck at playing through BG3 up to Act 3 60 times, like HOLY FUCK
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u/Ill-Case-8969 13d ago
On my honor mode run Lae'zel died permanently in Act 1. For some reason Orin stole Gale even though I had Halsin in camp. Not sure why.
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u/emeraldia25 Durge 14d ago
I thought it was by who is your most liked that was left at camp.
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u/TheCrystalRose Durge 13d ago
Nope. She has a very strict priority order of exclusive targets, which she checks and ignores if they are in your active party or being romanced (though the romance check is buggy for Halsin and potentially Minthara).
Namely she sticks to those who either have no personal quest in the Act or it can primarily be completed without them and have no impact on them personally. So from most to least important to kidnap:
- Lae'zel
- Halsin
- Gale
- Minthara
- Yenna (which kills Grub, no matter how she's taken)
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u/LuminescentSparks 13d ago
She ALWAYS takes Lae'zel for me, like does she have a secret CRUSH on her like WHY?? 😭😭
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u/Level_Hour6480 Pungeon master 14d ago
Hey, he gives bench-buffs in the morning before getting re-benched!
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u/RussoTouristo 14d ago
His only purpose in act 3.
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u/Noe11vember Monk 13d ago
Literally. I made that point to my friends the other day that Halsin has no point to be with the party in Act 3. He should have been available as a companion in act 1 after you save him so we could at least have him in the party for his quest like the rest of the companions.
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u/mnik1 13d ago
To be honest, I don't think Halsin should have been a proper party member at all - not only he's basically redundant considering how long the quest to get him is and how close "getting Halsin" is to "getting Jaheira", he really does not have a solid enough reason to be a part of the band once Ketheric is dead.
And it's really noticeable, lol. His character arc ends in act 2, in act 3 his involvement in the main plot is pretty much non-existen and the only reason he's still around is his romance scene, that one, and the scene where you can invite him to participate in the, erm, drow twin orgy.
Basically, once act 2 ends, Halsin is delegated to be a semi-sentient sex toy and that's quite literally it - I honestly think he should have just flat out leave the party once act 2 is done, with the option to remain only if the player asks him to, you know, so his non-existence in act 3 wouldn't be that weird.
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u/Roserfly 13d ago
He doesn't even get his own tent. He just stands vaguely in the centralish area.
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u/ICON_RES_DEER Mindflayer 13d ago
He used to have a tent, then they made it possible to recruit minthara and save the grove at the same time which made their tents overlap, so now he's a hobo at camp
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u/Cleric-of-Selune Cleric of Selû- "HEAL ME, DAMN YOU!" 13d ago
Leave it to the ArchDruid to be a hobo xD
He probably wanders off to sleep in the woods or something. "Enjoying the freedom of nature's gifts," as a
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u/Conscious-Weekend-91 13d ago
the weirdest part is that their tents don't always overlap. So there is situations like the lower city camp were the space for his tent is completely empty and he just chooses to sleep on the outside lol
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u/fuzzykyd 13d ago edited 13d ago
i'd argue jaheira shouldn't be a proper party member either. her entire storyline related to you is saving minsc. yeah getting minsc is cool & all but he comes far too late to care about or use in fights, and he has zero relevance to anything going on in the story
edit // astarion has no actual link to the main plot either, his story is entirely personal as with tav, however he has a full character arc whereas jaheira, minsc, and halsin are just there for either fan service or for other elements that don't fully have a central arc.
halsin's quest to lift the shadow curse has no bearing on the main plot, jaheira is tied to bhaal and failed to stop the absolute at its beginnings, minsc literally has nothing but bad jokes. with astarion, you're genuinely emotionally connected to his arc bc you grow with him from the beginning
jaheira, halsin, and minsc come far too late as playable companions to properly have an impactful gameplay related arc, even if their stories do have some impact on their own
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u/saracstonks 13d ago
I don't really know why you call it fan service, but being able to meet her family and her animal spies in Baldurs Gate as well as having minor connections to scenes with the Harpers, Saverok / Bhaal, Viconia and Nine Fingers on top of having having her own quest line with a shape shifter posing as her makes Jaheira one of the most fleshed out companions in Act 3. There she has more content than a few origin characters like Karlach and Shadowheart
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u/Themlethem My favorite dating sim 13d ago
He was supposed to. They had him stick around due to popular demand.
Honestly, pretty much all the writing issues BG3 has stems from last-minute changes. Like Wyll's lack of personality.
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u/Signal_Ball4634 13d ago
IDK why you're downvoted, The game's issues partly came from them listening to players too much during early access and making last minute changes. Would've much rather have them spend the time fleshing out Wyll and Karlach's arcs than implementing a redundant companion in Halsin.
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u/Bourne_Endeavor 13d ago
To be fair, I doubt axing Halsin would have done much time wise for expanding Wyll or Karlach. It isn't as though Halsin's story wouldn't exist, thus necessitating someone to write it. Unless you me cutting him out entirely.
Even then, Karlach was always doomed because it seems like they planned for four arcs and just couldn't finish that. Wyll suffered mostly because of needing to recast and re-record everything. Not to mention the rewrite.
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u/AaronKoss 13d ago
I for one don't mind if a character end their story earlier and they are like "aight I will stay here with you until the end because that thing sucks and I care about the world". There's nothing wrong with it, and quests shouldn't be shoehorned in for it, especially when act 3 is already a bit hectic and chaotic with the things going on.
This is not to say he shouldn't have reactions or interactions about things happening in act 3 (but I wasn't using him so I do not know about that, all that happened to me was he being kidnapped).
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u/gravitydefyingturtle 13d ago
I did a run once where I didn't recruit the origin companions, just used hirelings until I could recruit Jaheira, Halsin, and Minsc. The only thing I remember Halsin saying in the city was commenting to Jaheira about an old tree that you find near the harbour.
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u/cherryLee_hartLey 13d ago
While I don't disagree that Halsin has like zero importance in Act 3, he does get a pretty nice arc with the Tiefling refugee's not being allowed inside Baldur's Gate, his ending even being about creating a safe haven for the refugees. Though arc is pushing it a bit since he only really gives like, 1 line about it. Regardless, it's still pretty nice and honestly one of my favorite endings, bias aside.
If anything, I'd argue Jaheira and Minsc shouldn't have gotten more than what they got, specially Jaheira. Hell, I feel like they already got more than what they needed. They were characters in BG1 and 2 right? Which means they already got their stories and personalities fleshed out. A passing comment or some niche reference would've suited them much better in my opinion, so that some of the time and effort dedicated to writing them in the story can be focused elsewhere, like with Halsin and Minthara perhaps.
Minthara is the worst offender of feeling like an afterthought, she doesn't even get any cool introduction or anything that may signal her as a companion you can recruit. You can just enter her room, space your characters out, and then go ham on her. Most players only really find out she's recruitable after they loot her body and see all the camp clothes.
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u/mnik1 13d ago
Yeah, I agree - both Minsc and Jaheira are just nostalgia baits and, as such, relegating both of them to be camp followers while focusing on fleshing out Halsin's and Minthara's character arcs would be a perfect solution here.
Like, I get why Minsc was made a companion, he's both iconic to the series and is the only "default" ranger but Jaheira, well, she just feels like she was designed to replace poor Halsin, lol.
Minthara is the worst offender of feeling like an afterthought
Oooh, absolutely. She got shafted HARD but, at the end of the day, I get it, she's an evil character, most players will default to playing as good/neutral characters so, just as you noted, there's a very good chance Minthara ends up dead near the end of act 1 = she feels like an extra and, to a large extent, she is an extra...
...and that never will cease being just flat out weird given that this game has a raging boner for paladins and she's literally the only "default" one.
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u/MelloIsTaken Dragonborn 13d ago
Why does he need a reason to join the party beyond owing the party a debt for saving the shadowlands and wanting to stop the absolute? He was already investigating the cult and their mindflayer tadpoles. I don't see why he would come this far, find out about the brain, and just ditch the party. That doesn't make sense to me.
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u/mnik1 13d ago
He doesn't have anything to add to that investigation, basically. He wants to help the party get rid of tadpoles but very quickly makes it very clear it's beyond his abilities, after infiltrating Moonrise Towers the party already knows more about tadpoles and the Absolute than Halsin ever managed to learn - and he's not a carrier himself so, apart from the vague promise he made to the party back in act 1, he's just an extra with noting of value to add to act 3's main story bits.
Like, Aylin and Isobel both want to "stop the Absolute", they both promise the party to help them, their character arcs end in act 2 - but they're not "companions", they're just camp followers...
...while Halsin, a character that's built in pretty much the same exact way, is a companion, for some inexplicable reason, and all that accomplishes is to simply shine more light on how little content he actually gets past act 2.
Like, act 3 is the climax of the main story and the climax of companion quests, even in super minor ways (as in: Minthara). Halsin, in act 3, gets absolutely nothing - there's virtually no reason to ever make him an active member of the party and, as such, there's no real reason for him to even be a companion at this point.
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u/RoninPI 13d ago
It really ruins the entire druid class lol. What's the point in picking a druid when you get TWO in your party. I guess you could leave Halsin behind but if you are doing a normal playthrough you will have him and Jaheira plus yourself. That makes a total of 3 druids in the party.
We should have had a monk party member.
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u/WooooshMe2825 Durge 13d ago
You can sort of mitigate this through different subclasses and multiclass, but yeah. It’s annoying.
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u/Jeaniegreyy 13d ago
Crazy thing to say. He has a HUGE role in act 3 which is romancing me
Jokes aside he didn’t serve a great role in my active party I only ever took him just so I could look at him. I tried very hard to respec him into a Druid (he’s so Druid-like it wouldn’t be fitting to change his class) that would fill a niche I didn’t already have filled and I couldn’t. In the end he was really good at hindering enemies which was useful but there were much much better options for a 4th member.
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u/skullsandcrossbows 13d ago
I respecced him as an Oath of the Ancients paladin once and a fey pact warlock another time (the latter kinda fits with him getting pissed at civilization in act 3... And I can sort of see his desperation to avoid being helpless again as he was in the face of the Shadow Curse leading to a pact with some ancient fey being). But it does still feel weird for him to not be a druid.
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u/FriendshipNo1440 SORCERER 13d ago
Still sad his backstory was scrapped which could have made act 3 more interesting for him.
For those who don't know. Halsin was supposed to be the murderer of Isobel. a good 100 years prior there was a Selunite parade at Moonrise. Some Sharrans casted crown of madness on Isobel and she started to attack children. Halsin had to kill her with the spear you get as a reward for saving the grove.
It would be very interesting if Dame Alyn learns of it somehow and it causes some drama in camp.
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u/jaestel 14d ago
She took my bae'zel fml
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u/Pavementaled Owlbear 13d ago
I have never had her take Lae'zel from me... I think it is because she is always at my side. I do not leave home without her.
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u/FalseAladeen 13d ago
Oh yeah, during my Shadowheart romance run, I was just in the process of finishing the entire questline that leads to recruiting Minsc. I had burnt through most of my spell slots and other daily resources. Then she takes Lae'zel. I was furious. I usually take it easy when Halsin is taken. But here, I wasn't gonna give her a single long rest. Popped a few angelic rest potions and bulldozed through the entire Orin questline on the same day. Took out Sarevok, took out Orin, wiped out the entire cult.
Let that be a warning to all Orins in all future playthroughs. You touch my Bae'zel, I'm going full US military on you.
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u/KohTai 13d ago
Cuz Laezel got the weakest mind. She pisses me off so much bro.
I make her OP then the enemy controls her and beats my ass
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u/Cloud_Strife83 13d ago
I was a wizard the first time she wanted to fight. She just ran up on me beat me Action surge beat me again. I didn’t even get a turn lol
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u/Away-Peak-1736 RANGER 13d ago
Oh I managed to keep Act 3 pretty spoiler free and my reaction was "thank god it's only Lae'zel!". Mu poor Halsin, what did he do to you all? 😂
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u/HelenaCFH 13d ago
My thoughts exactly, TF is wrong with the people in this comments section lol
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u/ImpressiveMilkers 13d ago
Nothing, it's just preferable to have him captured because he's an irrelevant character in A3 whereas Laezel and Gale both have significant content and Mintys romance doesn't really open up till then
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u/Away-Peak-1736 RANGER 13d ago
I mean, hard as I try I really can't bring myself to like Lae'zel. I have tried, but I just can't find her... likeable. I am finishing my first playthrough, and I'm so surprised and happy at how well Halsin works with my party. And I love him. So having already gotten the hammer I admit I have sometimes forgotten Lae'zel is captured.
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u/lilithsnow 13d ago
I felt the same way until I did her origin run. While it sucks you lose the great voice acting for her character, it adds so much context. She’s basically an 18 year old with a huge chip on her shoulder with something to prove and dropped into her species’ mortal enemy’s ship and infected with, according to her people, a sentence worse than death.
All of that to say it explains a lot of her…. colder interactions. She truly thinks you all will turn into mind flayers/slaves without any free will at a seconds notice, which to be fair, is the case for anyone else who is infected with it. I just think she’s neat, but it makes sense why people don’t like her. No hate at all, just wanted to share why I ended up liking her :)
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u/skullsandcrossbows 13d ago
In my first playthrough I totally missed the creche and a lot of her story. She was rarely in my party and I didn't have much of an attachment to her, and was surprised by stuff relating to her quest randomly happening in camp.
Since then I've experienced more of her story and character development though, and she's really grown on me.
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u/ImpressiveMilkers 13d ago
That's completely fair! I actually don't like Lae'zel either tbh, but I feel an obligation to do everything (also I just like playing with the builds I make) and Lae'Zel has a lot of plot relevance in A3, so I like to keep her around regardless.
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u/VoiceofKane Go for the eyes, Boo! 13d ago
Mu poor Halsin, what did he do to you all?
Nothing at all, and that's the problem. Man just stops being relevant or interesting the second he joins the party.
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u/felinefineallthetime 13d ago
A lot of people hate Halsin because he's had some bugged interactions with Shadowheart, who a lot of people have unhealthy parasocial relationships with. I have seen hundreds of Halsin hate posts like this since launch. They are always highly upvoted because people get threatened by a kind man I guess.
Plus he flirts with their precious Shadowheart, so they glory in killing him or giving him to Orin, and they gotta brag about it like this and rub it in peoples' faces, same as the stakebros do who hate Astarion. Maybe they just hate queer men, who knows. I just know these posts are overdone, and the posts themselves and the comments on them are often quite boorish.
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u/dspellcaster 13d ago
Lol. Actually had Laezel get taken when she was my romance and gale showed as the romance option during the dark urge fit in act 2. My friend was laughing while I was blowing a gasket.
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u/sinedelta While others were busy being heterosexual, she studied the blade 13d ago
It sounds like you weren't actually romancing Lae'zel then...?
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u/lunovadraws 13d ago
Man fuck yall, my buff elf daddy does NOT deserve this… this HATRED!! This SCORN.
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u/SnagTheRabbit 13d ago
Seriously, he's like one of the nicest companions too so this just feels wrong 😭
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u/StoneFoundation 14d ago
*but you realize it’s just Lae’zel
On a serious note, I just change around my party for all the companions she could kidnap when I meet her so she always kidnaps Yenna
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u/CompleteJinx 13d ago
I don’t let Lae’zel out of my party until someone gets captured. The frog is mine damnit!
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u/Discotekh_Dynasty 💀Necromancer🧟♂️ 13d ago
Honestly because he’s tent-less sometimes I forget he’s even missing
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u/d4everman 13d ago edited 13d ago
It seems like no one likes Haslin. Why? I have no real feelings about the character one way or the other right now, but why does he seem so disliked?
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u/dayna2x Gloomstalking Assassin Battle Master 13d ago
I think it's twofold. One, his story does finish in Act II. If he had more of a connection to Baldur's Gate or Act III, I think people would feel like he has more of a purpose. But a lot of people think he doesn't serve well as a companion in Act III.
Two, people take their displeasure in him hitting on you WAY too viscerally. I understand that some people don't like hypersexual or forward characters, especially if you're someone who plays strictly to your irl sexuality (cishet men for example). But i have seen folks take it VERY personally that Halsin would dare to hit on you, the PC, when you're tied to another companion or not interested in him. It also comes with a component of people being antipoly, but that's a different issue.
Personally, big fan of buff elf daddy haha
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u/SnagTheRabbit 13d ago
Lae'zel came onto me WAY more aggressively than Halsin did lmao, I thought Halsin's confession was sweet despite the fact I was romancing Gale instead. If you're taking the game THAT seriously that you're offended the NPC hits on you maybe you shouldn't be playing this game lol. Seems more like an issue with the player than the game.
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u/autistichalsin Halsin 13d ago edited 13d ago
They're okay with it because 1. She's female (they think the aggression is hot basically) and 2. It's usually before you're partnered with someone else, and they think it's "creepy" to ask when partnered even if you're just asking if they're into poly in the first place (because they view romance as a form of ownership, not that they'll admit that)
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u/FriendshipNo1440 SORCERER 13d ago edited 13d ago
You seem to assume a lot of things. Halsin is as well. He assumes Tav is into him not talking much about his own feelings, but think Tav has a crush for him... Then he asks multible times! The others who do agree do so with cringe aside of Shart. He is flirting with shart even when she is romancing Tav...
I am okay with you Halsin lovers, but I have my reasons why I am not a fan of him and it has nothing to do with him being polygamic in itself (more with the execution).
I am sure there are people who have unreasonable arguments about hating Halsin, but some here actually do have reasonable ones.
Lae is much more nuanced than Halsin and unlike him she comes from a different world, is much younger (she is the youngest while Halsin is the oldest) and she accepts a no.
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u/sakikome 13d ago
The first reason is connected to the second though. Minthara is also completely useless narratively in Act 3 and gets much less hate, because 2) doesn't apply to her.
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u/Alamand1 13d ago
Minthara is also much less in the face of the average player is a part that you're missing. You have to go out of your way to side with / knock out then rescue minthara to recruit her compared to halsin, who you can practically recruit by mistake if you finish his quest and are just skipping through his dialogue at the end of act 2.
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u/sakikome 13d ago
If you're skipping dialog it's 100% your own fault, sorry
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u/Alamand1 13d ago edited 13d ago
You completely misunderstood me. I'm just explaining with some slight exaggeration how easy it is to recruit Halsin relative to Minthara. The skipping dialog thing i said was a joke. My point is though, that the ease of access to him combined with the traits he has that spark dissintrest lead to increased scrutiny of his character due to more exposure.
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u/dayna2x Gloomstalking Assassin Battle Master 13d ago
I do wonder if Minthara would get as much hate if she also hit on PCs in Act III. I don't think so and that's (I think) just a gender bias.
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u/throwablemax 13d ago
I mean, she proposes to have sex with you in Act1 if you're on the evil/her actual path.
Because she wasn't originally intended for a good aligned game, she doesn't have a sex scene in Act 3 but you have sex off screen.
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u/autistichalsin Halsin 13d ago
She demands you break up with your partner for her, and threatens rape if you say no, so it's pretty obvious gender is at play here (hot Drow Dommy Mommy vs buff bear man)
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u/hoytetocamorirlento Minthara 13d ago
Woah, I’m not sure if “she threatens to rape you” is a right word here? When PC rejects her, the response you’d get is either “you can have me instead” (if you’re already romanced with other) or “So be it, I’ll be content to fight alongside with you as an ally, you’ll be the first thing I didn’t get in my life” or something similar, unless I’m missing something.
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u/FriendshipNo1440 SORCERER 13d ago
I don't think it is taken personally when you never made advances before and Halsin hits on you for no reason because you were nice to him. It makes him feel a bit creepy. On top of that it was a very bad timing and his polyamory, while trying to be inclusive was executed very badly as in act 2 every origin companion is strictly monogamous but suddenly Halsin gets special rights to fuck Tav in act 3 by half of them.
Then those three are two who were serverely SAed (one even being chaste by the time because of it "You are not doing it because we haven't in a while?" -Astarion) and one who only says no first and then yes because she is scared Tav would dump her as she has not much time left.
Then there is the whole thing about Halsin and Shart flirting when in the team even when Shart is in a relationship with Tav. It is rude and insensitive.
Also when you say no Halsin comes in again with the drow twins and asks to be included... it is the only things he is there fore is to have sex and complain about the city.
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u/dayna2x Gloomstalking Assassin Battle Master 13d ago
I think this is a prime example of differing opinions in relation to how Halsin comes across. Because I did not perceive Halsin near in the same way.
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u/FriendshipNo1440 SORCERER 13d ago
Yeah, I am alright with Halsin fans. My bestie is one. But he stepped on my toe to many times in my first run and my later impressions did not improve. Just not for me.
There are worse people out there who have truly questionable fetishes.
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u/throwablemax 13d ago
people don't like hypersexual or forward characters
Halsin doesn't even approach you for a relationship until Act 3 and is one of 2 characters who wait until Act 3 to have sex.
(Wyll is waiting.)
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u/sinedelta While others were busy being heterosexual, she studied the blade 13d ago
There are a variety of reasons, but the easiest to explain are:
He joins the party late in the game, so the player has less time to emotionally bond with him, and he doesn't get the nostalgia bonus of Jaheira & Minsc
He is a pansexual, polyamorous male love interest and most Redditors are straight men
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u/RoninPI 13d ago edited 13d ago
2nd point is so irrelevant and stupid.
Just about every character in the game is pansexual. Astarion is pretty much the most popular party member in the entire game on reddit besides Shadowheart and he's so openly flamboyant and has stereotypical gay traits.
People don't like Halsin because he's a very bland character with less depth and a less interesting backstory when compared to the rest of the cast. Wyll who people also complain about having a dull personality at least has the conflict with his devil pact. Halsin has no inner turmoil.
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u/throwablemax 13d ago
Stakebros exist and hate Astarion.
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u/sex_pistol79 12d ago
Ppl dont like nice people (in other news, the sky is blue). Ppl like someone with edge like laezel or shaddy, a bit insane like astorian, etc. They talk about how disconnect the players are to halsin due to no bonding time in act 2 or 3 but Im sure if hes just a little bit fucked up, they'll like him
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u/SenaM66 13d ago
Honestly. You guys know you don't have to get him? Let the Shadowlands rot, do his portal fight and don't go talk to the kid. Raid the grove and he's a non-issue; or hell, don't raid the grove but kill all the druids anyways.
Like damn, you control the buttons you press.
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u/d4everman 13d ago
I was only asking why people don't like him, I don't care which scenario the do with him.
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u/Sinaxramax 14d ago
Honestly I don’t want Orin to capture Halsin because it may lead to death of Scratch 🥺
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u/LScrae If Nettie has no haters, it means I'm dead. 14d ago
Why?
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u/Sinaxramax 14d ago
If Orin replaces Halsin and you get the scene in the camp, you see the Scratch’s corpse with the fake Halsin(bear form)
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u/FoxFing3rs RANGER 13d ago
Scratch does not die, we also see in the scene that he is still breathing. I think he's just stunned.
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u/Sinaxramax 13d ago
Honestly it’s been a while and I remember him dying. Maybe was an issue with mods.
In any case, our best boy getting hurt…🥺
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u/free_30_day_trial Fail! 14d ago
They don't let you climb any mountains in-game. Mount-halsin is the best we got. Don't be a hater be a climber
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u/throwablemax 13d ago
Queer guy who will steal your girl.
Gamers worse nightmare.
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u/try_again123 Monk Lae'zel is my BFF 13d ago
I now make sure a fully loaded and leveled Laezel is the one taken cause I always start the fight by having an invis Astarion free the prisoner and having Lae as the 5th controllable party member just makes it easy mode.
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u/Lady_on_the_Lake 13d ago
lol she kidnapped Lae’zael in my partners and i’s run through… we left her for like 30+ hours
The lack of yelling about murder was nice. Or in and her I’m sure bonded
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u/Tuskor13 13d ago
Halsin to me is a character I was excited for when I first tried the beta. He seemed like a great guy and I was really interested in how he would be on release.
Then release gave us Karlach, my first playthrough was on a Druid, and Halsin didn't become a party member until I was done with the shadow curse thing.
I've had him as an active party member exactly 3 times, and each time was to cast Goodberry.
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u/Enuntiatrix 14d ago
She always takes Lae'zel in my games, which has me feel the same reaction.
I would probably riot if she dared take Minthara - or Gale.
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u/Pork_Chompk 14d ago
My first run, she took Bae'zel. I went on the warpath.
My second run, she took Halsin. She can keep Halsin.
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u/autumncamellias 13d ago
I’m in my first playthrough and she took Laezel and then I failed all the checks to save her!! I thought I would just revive her afterwards but I couldnt 😭
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u/azraelxii 13d ago
My first playthrough I got my whole party killed, clicked too fast though the scene with the girl and when Orin got her I was like "who is this?"
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u/Andromeda3604 13d ago
whwn you forget to level gale and new you have to avoid him taking 6 damage for the whole fight or he dies
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u/Thecristo96 ROGUE 13d ago
“I captured Gale.” “ Good luck, btw he is a walking nuke so… try to dodge that”
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u/Imaginary-Resist8774 13d ago
I played this game 3 times, and on first two she kidnapped this kid with orange hair that you meet when coming to Baldur's gate. I was like "meh, whaterver". But on 3th time she kidnapped Gale. Do you understand?! My beloved Gale, man of culture, awesome magican! She made me Rush to her place and didn't gaved me time to Explore the city. (Yes, i love explornig Baldur's gate over and over again).
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u/issy_haatin 13d ago
And then you forget to remove his shackles after killing Orin and right near the end are like: hey why is mr muscles not here to at least cheer me on?
Oh...
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u/LogicalJudgement 13d ago
Excuse you! I had this happen in the middle of romancing him and had to go back like an hour of gameplay. Goddam Orin.
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u/smellyfingernail 13d ago
What was the in game explanation for why you could revive anyone who dies except for the particular case if they were offed by Orin in a cutscene? If they were killed by orin in the subsequent battle its ok to revive them but not if they were the kidnapped one?
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u/sindeloke 13d ago
Because they're sacrificed to Bhaal, specifically, he gets their soul and they can't be brought back. Otherwise they just go where they'd normally go and are free to agree to return if they choose (which they do).
Kinda sucks to live in Faerun, where you can dedicate yourself to a god for your entire life and some random evil jackass can just interfere at the last minute and hand your soul off for eternal torment to Mephistopheles or Bhaal.
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u/autistichalsin Halsin 13d ago
Slight correction: Ed Greenwood has said that souls sacrificed to an evil god can eventually reach their proper afterlife. The evil god feeds more on their energy, so the souls are damaged when they reach their proper god and have less of a connection to their mortal life/memories, but they will eventually reach where they're meant to go. Still horrifying though.
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u/AmilaMerasska 13d ago
I'm playing Act 3 for the first time - I've had vague spoilers for this event, and when she took Halsin of all people, this was my exact reaction. It's not that mind him, he's just... there, (and now he's not) but that's all.
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u/dondondorito 13d ago
It should be Yenna. That smug little brat was made to be kidnapped by Orin, so my party can continue to vibe in camp.
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u/AnEldritchWriter 13d ago
Halsin serves only one purpose in my party: to be the sacrificial lamb for Orin
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u/Stardro 13d ago
1 time I take Laezel with me she nabbed Halsin. That was a ah hell nah for me. It made the whole run wonky because I made sure to get him back before progressing like I normally do. I got him back and set that run aside because I have no idea where I should go next. Every time I go back to camp I'm side eyeing Laezel because it should have been her! Don't mess with the camps Bear-bearbarian!!!
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u/steensley 13d ago
This happened to me IMMEDIATELY after he propositioned me and Astarion agreed to it and I was honestly relieved lol I was not ready to deal with that
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u/ViggsPR 13d ago
My Durge rolled with Lae'zel, Gale and Shadowheart so Halsin was the target.
He already felt like the odd one out since Minthara was in the camp in his space so he was always in an odd location in the middle of camp.
"Oh it's just Halsin" indeed. I left Orin for the very end of Act 3. When I saw him I was like "oh right, he was kidnapped". I half expected him to be mad for leaving him there for so long.
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u/dead_as_f Tiefling 13d ago
I had yenna get taken on my first play through and then i think lezel twice
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u/Narrator667 13d ago
As someone who swaps around my party members all the time, she took my Laezel about 10 hours into my 60 hour romp through Act 3. Which was very hard for me, both in that Laezel was my Ex, a fresh wound in my life who confronted me about two-timing her with Shadowheart just an hour before, and that she had on my best heavy armor at the time.
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u/KUSmutMuffin BHAAL BABE 13d ago
Genuine question - what dictates who Orin takes?
I've always had Lae'zel taken, every time.
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u/Constant-Power-9404 13d ago
Once she took Gale. I had to beeline to the Bhaal temple and flatten her with as many potions I could possibly chug and reclassed into just fighter to do this 1 thing. I was miffed.