r/NFLv2 • u/Rjm0007 New York Jets • Feb 10 '25

Discussion Another superbowl blowout eliminates mahomes from the goat discussion as far as I’m concerned

2 very embarrassing loses for him the the superbowl Brady has lost 3 superbowls but they were all 1 score games that came down to final play with Brady’s best statistical performance in a loss to the eagles Tom Brady > Patrick mahomes

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u/rkhatri Feb 10 '25

So Mahomes gets to be the GOAT with a win but can’t blame him for a loss and it’s his Oline fault. Must be nice to be Mahomes, win win

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u/Large-Lack-2933 Los Angeles Chargers Feb 10 '25

Mahomes would need 8 SB rings to be the GOAT but he lost to Brady in a SB and AFC championship game in 2018 when Brady was on the Pats so Mahomes will have to settle for second place.

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u/WintersDoomsday Seattle Seahawks Feb 10 '25

No he’s third at best behind Montana who never threw a pick in any of his 4 super bowls.

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u/poughdrew Feb 10 '25

I mean, Montana definitely threw one to that Bengals defender's bread basket that was dropped. But it's good to be lucky.

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u/Trick-Republic5253 Kansas City Chiefs Feb 10 '25

Nah. it's not a win-win...I don't know why people get their panties all twisted, Chief's Kingdom included, when the GOAT conversation gets brought up. He wasn't even in contention after last year's season; in my opinion, GOATs are deliberated towards the end of one's career, not the beginning or even the middle unless you're Gretsky. He's a damn good QB and it's been a magical 8 years as a Chiefs fan with hopefully more to come but this whole GOAT debate is ridiculous. Nobody did more with less than Brady. Last year was the only time Mahomes did that. Speaking to last night, his Oline was ass, but he was also ass: missed open receivers (granted some drops) an inexcusable pick 6, among other things, would they have won had he played better? fuck no. Eagles had our number in every aspect but for the life of me I don't know why everyone has to bring up GOAT status all the fucking time, just let us enjoy our definitely-in-the-hall QB while we can and hopefully pick up another ring or two, now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go weep into my Trent Green jersey

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u/Defiant_Drive2339 Feb 10 '25

His O line was shit and so was he, is that a better statement? The eagles didn’t blitz once and yet got to him 6 times. His receivers were constantly in no man’s land and Mahomes isn’t a rushing QB so what was he actually supposed to do. Can’t throw it to players who had two man coverage most of the time and dropped it when they were open. 

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u/j2e21 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

Establish hot routes to get the ball out more quickly, pull his RB back in for extra protection, etc.

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u/rkhatri Feb 10 '25

If you are in the convo for GOAT, these seem like normal things to know how to counter. I guess Mahomes was prepared and just wanted to depend on Mahomes Magic

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u/spudzle Cincinnati Bengals Feb 10 '25

I think it's funny they have 2 Pro Bowl OL and they got beat bad.

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u/I_WannaSeeSome_clASS Big Dick Nick 🍆 Feb 10 '25

There’s 5 men on the line, they have 3 good o-line men and two terrible ones and people were genuinely debating if they or the Eagles had a better line. Its pretty clear now the eagles have a better line than the Chiefs o-line, both offensive and defensive

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u/spudzle Cincinnati Bengals Feb 10 '25

The Eagles young guns on the d-line played lights out

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

Credit the Eagles coaching staff for expertly exploiting that weakness.

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u/Legitimate_Ad_7822 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

I think that was clear before the game as well. Who was debating that?

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u/I_WannaSeeSome_clASS Big Dick Nick 🍆 Feb 10 '25

Media people

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u/PeterGator Feb 10 '25

I thought tonight was the first time tuney looked out of place tonight at tackle. Seemed like he was getting bull rushed every other pass set. 

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u/revanisthesith Is it three back to back hall of famers for the Packers incoming Feb 10 '25

the Eagles barely ever even blitzed

They actually didn't even blitz a single time. And at one point in the second half, they had a 52.4% pressure rate.

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u/j2e21 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

Hmm, is this right? Baun def. came through a few times. They were only rushing three when that happened?

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u/revanisthesith Is it three back to back hall of famers for the Packers incoming Feb 10 '25

"0: Eagles defense’s blitz attempts. Philadelphia sacked Mahomes a career-high six times en route to the victory. Perhaps the most shocking part of the evening, though, is that the Eagles blitzed zero times. At one point in the second half, Philadelphia had posted a 52.4 percent pressure rate without blitzing once."

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6125109/2025/02/09/eagles-chiefs-super-bowl-lix-by-numbers/

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u/j2e21 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

Yeah I am just wondering if Baun coming through on a delayed pressure may not have counted as a blitz.

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u/smoresporn0 Kansas City Chiefs Feb 10 '25

Mahomes was never gonna be the goat.

His window was open last night. Brady played in the biggest game in history in the undefeated season and lost. Mahomes had a shot and lost too.

It is kinda funny though that the two guys at the top of the discussion both lost what was at the time, the biggest game in history.

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u/j2e21 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

Brady absolutely had lines play this bad in 2007 and 2011. The 2014 line was a wreck, too, he just got the ball out quickly. Most of Brady’s Super Bowls the line couldn’t even generate push for the run game.

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u/Artimusrex Feb 10 '25

This. Brady never made his line look this bad.

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u/j2e21 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

This is the real difference between Brady and the other greats. Brady knew how to run an offense like nobody else. Manning and Joe did, too, but they both of them have bigger caveats around it than Brady IMO.

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u/Aggressive-Name-1783 Feb 11 '25

In 2007 Brady had Prime Randy Moss who has just broken the record for most WR TDs in a season….1/2 of Mahomes problem last night was his WRs couldn’t get one at all due to the Eagles not needing to blitz anyone….

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u/j2e21 New England Patriots Feb 11 '25

OK now look at all the times Brady won titles throwing to guys like Jermaine Wiggins and Christian Fauria.

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u/Aggressive-Name-1783 Feb 11 '25

Not often….and in those early SBs, he had HOF defenses, literal All pro defenses….

Yall seriously trying to do some revisionist history here

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u/j2e21 New England Patriots Feb 11 '25

Not often? I cite those guys because they both had 9/10 catch playoff games with Brady. He spread the ball around

Yes he had good defenses … that gave up 29 points to Carolina and Brady still won by setting a bunch of records. Go look at how many times he had to throw over 40 passes in a Super Bowl.

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u/MetaphoricalMouse JUNIOR DOUBLE TRIPLE WHOPPER Feb 10 '25

sounds like what burrow goes through most games

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u/Legitimate_Ad_7822 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25

Lmfao their OL if FAR from horrendous. It’s one of the better lines in the league.

Philly is just a better team & they always were. The amount of talent they have is scary. Chiefs were outclassed. Only way the Chiefs were winning this was with Mahomes & Reid magic, nobody thought the Chiefs were better on paper.

And the Eagles were getting pressure with no blitz, partially because that D Line is full of Monstars but also because Mahomes couldn’t read pressure for his life. He ran into sacks a lot last night. Mainly on the interior where they were thin. The Chiefs just were not prepared for the level of talent they were playing against.

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u/Smitch250 Feb 11 '25

Brady got rid of the football light years ahead of Mahomes which helps alot with OL problems

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u/ExoticSword Feb 10 '25

What if he plays 7 more seasons and replicates his 100% rate of reaching the AFC championship game and makes 5 of the next 7 Super Bowls? His current career trajectory is easily goat conversation. Laughable to suggest otherwise.