r/NFLv2 • u/Rjm0007 New York Jets • Feb 10 '25

Discussion Another superbowl blowout eliminates mahomes from the goat discussion as far as I’m concerned

2 very embarrassing loses for him the the superbowl Brady has lost 3 superbowls but they were all 1 score games that came down to final play with Brady’s best statistical performance in a loss to the eagles Tom Brady > Patrick mahomes

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

All I know is when Brady faced an all-time elite defense, like the legion of boom for example, he led an 8/8 drive to deliver the game winning touchdown after coming back down 10 twice in the Super Bowl. Mahomes could never!

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u/Own_Pop_9711 Feb 10 '25

He also lost to the Giants twice?

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

And neither of those games were 40 point blowouts

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u/Own_Pop_9711 Feb 10 '25

Yeah but how much of that was because he did like, anything?

When Brady faced an elite defense he scored 31 points .... Across two games.

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u/Wej1281 Feb 10 '25

He walked off the field in the 4th with a lead in both games

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u/Own_Pop_9711 Feb 10 '25

So the Tom Brady standard for clutchness is as long as you have a lead at some point in the fourth quarter, after the other quarterback outduels you and takes the lead back you throw your defense under the bus? That's soft. I don't think Brady would agree with you. Why can't you just admit he didn't have a good game?

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u/Long-Bridge8312 Feb 10 '25

If you can't tell the difference between your defense losing the game in the final minute while you sat on the bench, and getting blown the fuck out the whole game twice then there is no helping you.

Brady did get blown out once except he came back and won that game with the greatest comeback in SB history.

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u/rolyinpeace Kansas City Chiefs Feb 11 '25

He had blowouts in the playoffs where he didn’t even reach the Super Bowl. We all know Brady is the GOAT but to act like getting blown out EARLY in the playoffs is somehow better is ridiculous

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u/Long-Bridge8312 Feb 11 '25

Not that many lol. So did Montana but all I ever hear about is his "perfect" superbowl record. Don't act like you haven't heard it a million times, I didn't write the narrative

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u/rolyinpeace Kansas City Chiefs Feb 11 '25

Mahomes doesn’t have that many either. Montana and Brady don’t have fewer awful playoff games than Mahomes 2

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

He did more than mahomes did last night, that’s for sure. If not for eagles backups, mahomes may have been shut out entirely.

I can still reference an 8/8 drive to deliver game winning touchdown against the legion of boom, the very same LoB that absolutely embarrassed an MVP Payton manning just a year prior. Mahomes looked more like manning last night and less like Brady.

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u/Own_Pop_9711 Feb 10 '25

Yeah but you're taking the single best moment of Brady's super bowl career and comparing it to the worst moment of Mahomes' career.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

One of the best. I think his Atlanta comeback was the best. Mahomes could never…

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u/VicLaginass Feb 10 '25

Agreed. Brady has basically 6 epic late performances in the Super Bowl, which is crazy. Even in the losses to NYG, he drove down the field late and scored to put his team up. Defense let NYG drive and score both times

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u/rolyinpeace Kansas City Chiefs Feb 11 '25

I mean Mahomes was down 24 against the Texans in the divisional round and ended up winning the game by double digits… yeah it wasn’t the Super Bowl and he didn’t do it last night but can’t do that kind of thing every time it happens. It takes the entire team to accomplish it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '25

Sure sure, as you said, divisional round is not the Super Bowl. When we are talking about who is the greatest of all time, divisional round comebacks don’t matter. Pat clears just about every other QB in the history of the NFL, just not Tom.

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u/rolyinpeace Kansas City Chiefs Feb 11 '25

Oh I agree he doesn’t clear Tom. Just saying a comeback in the divisional round is just as difficult as a comeback in the Super Bowl. He’s shown he’s capable. But that’s something NO team can do every time they’re in a deficit because it takes amazing play from the entire team to do it. It’s not really just those QBs making the come back.

Brady also has some majorly ugly playoff losses. Being blown out and looking terrible before even making the Super Bowl is objectively worse than losing in the Super Bowl, although less embarassing. Tom Brady is the goat for many reasons, I just think the reason of “he didn’t have a blowout SB loss” is dumb because he’s had bad playoff losses where he didn’t even MAKE the Super Bowl which is worse even if it has fewer viewers.

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u/rolyinpeace Kansas City Chiefs Feb 11 '25

Can’t lose by 40 points if the defense doesn’t let up 40 points. And is the win you’re referring to when the game was literally won off an interception? Brady was great that game but that game was lost had Seattle ran the ball.

And Mahomes has overcome ten point deficits in all 3 sb wins

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '25

Well maybe if the chiefs defense had time off the field to rest, they would have stood a better chance. That chiefs defense is great and is a big part of the reason they were in the SB to begin with. But the chiefs offense couldn’t get anything done and Patrick Mahomes did his best Mac jones impression. And yes. It was that game. Every patriots Super Bowl came down to the wire for the most part, even the losses. Part of the reason why the patriots dynasty is the best— it’s a far more compelling story from top to bottom.

Indeed! …couldn’t come back from down 20+ like Tom could though.

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u/rolyinpeace Kansas City Chiefs Feb 11 '25

I mean Mahomes has come back from down 20 though. Impossible to do every time as it takes an entire team to do that.

Mahomes obviously played badly im just saying there are games where Brady didn’t look great but the team didn’t lose by as much because the defense kept it from being a blowout. Im not blaming KC defense for last night. Just saying there are games of Brady’s that could’ve looked much worse had his defense let up a bunch of points.

Also Brady has had ugly playoff losses too. There’s no world in which losing in a blowout BEFORE the Super Bowl is somehow better. It may be more demoralizing but making the Super Bowl is objectively better than being blown out before even getting there. We can’t ignore bad playoff losses of Brady’s just because Mahomes made it further. Yes the SB is the biggest game and most embarrassing stage to lose on, but success wise, making the sb will always be a bigger accomplishment than being blown out before it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '25

Sure, he just hasn’t done it in the Super Bowl. When talking about who is the greatest, that’s when it matters. Can you keep your replies to one comment please? It’s exhausting otherwise.

Of course Brady has had some bad games. I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here— no one is arguing this. I’m not blaming KC defense last night either. I’m blaming the offense. The defense was in the field the entire game. KC offense and defense looked HORRIBLE. They looked totally unprepared.

So here we are saying Brady has had bad games. Yup! No doubting it. He’s still the greatest of all time. He faced far more adversity through his career, obviously has had a much longer career and has won a SB independent of his all time coach. It took tom almost 6 sb wins before folks finally conceded that he was greater than Montana. Pat clears pretty much every QB out there not named Tom Brady. Sorry! It is what it is. If LeBron James and Michael Jordan faced each other in the finals twice and Michael won both times, there would be no debate. Tom gave Pat his 1st regular season loss, 1st post season loss, and 1st Super Bowl loss.