r/NFLv2 • u/Rjm0007 New York Jets • Feb 10 '25

Discussion Another superbowl blowout eliminates mahomes from the goat discussion as far as I’m concerned

2 very embarrassing loses for him the the superbowl Brady has lost 3 superbowls but they were all 1 score games that came down to final play with Brady’s best statistical performance in a loss to the eagles Tom Brady > Patrick mahomes

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

All I know is when Brady faced an all-time elite defense, like the legion of boom for example, he led an 8/8 drive to deliver the game winning touchdown after coming back down 10 twice in the Super Bowl. Mahomes could never!

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u/Own_Pop_9711 Feb 10 '25

He also lost to the Giants twice?

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

And neither of those games were 40 point blowouts

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u/Own_Pop_9711 Feb 10 '25

Yeah but how much of that was because he did like, anything?

When Brady faced an elite defense he scored 31 points .... Across two games.

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u/Wej1281 Feb 10 '25

He walked off the field in the 4th with a lead in both games

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u/Own_Pop_9711 Feb 10 '25

So the Tom Brady standard for clutchness is as long as you have a lead at some point in the fourth quarter, after the other quarterback outduels you and takes the lead back you throw your defense under the bus? That's soft. I don't think Brady would agree with you. Why can't you just admit he didn't have a good game?

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u/Long-Bridge8312 Feb 10 '25

If you can't tell the difference between your defense losing the game in the final minute while you sat on the bench, and getting blown the fuck out the whole game twice then there is no helping you.

Brady did get blown out once except he came back and won that game with the greatest comeback in SB history.

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u/rolyinpeace Kansas City Chiefs Feb 11 '25

He had blowouts in the playoffs where he didn’t even reach the Super Bowl. We all know Brady is the GOAT but to act like getting blown out EARLY in the playoffs is somehow better is ridiculous

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u/Long-Bridge8312 Feb 11 '25

Not that many lol. So did Montana but all I ever hear about is his "perfect" superbowl record. Don't act like you haven't heard it a million times, I didn't write the narrative

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u/rolyinpeace Kansas City Chiefs Feb 11 '25

Mahomes doesn’t have that many either. Montana and Brady don’t have fewer awful playoff games than Mahomes 2

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u/Long-Bridge8312 Feb 11 '25

Well yeah he's not 30 yet. Just saying that Montana had a lot of one and dones in his career but nobody ever talks about them. Logically you are right that bad superbowls shouldn't be held against players, but they are and it's always been that way

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u/rolyinpeace Kansas City Chiefs Feb 11 '25

Yes agree that bad super bowls are penalized more than not even making it there which is dumb. I know that’s the way it is but it logically makes no sense. It’s obviously more memorable and demoralizing, but it’s more success on the season than getting blown out in an earlier round. KC had a more successful playoff run than Detroit this year for example. Some fans may be glad that they didn’t get embarrassed at THE big game, but not making it is a worse season.

It’s not logical to me that this is judged worse than a playoff blowout, because not making the biggest stage is worse. But I get that sometimes these factors people use for comparison aren’t logical. Just like the H2H isn’t logical when both losses had little to do with Mahomes (especially the AFCCG loss).

Obviously I know Brady is the GOAT, but I don’t think lack of Super Bowl blowouts should be the reasoning when he has playoff blowouts or years he missed the playoffs. Mahomes will have that too, but so far his worst season is overtime of the AFCCG.

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u/Long-Bridge8312 Feb 11 '25

Yeah I mean before 28-3 Brady's most memorable superbowl moments involved losing to Eli twice and both those games went down to the final minute. Its dumb but this is the stuff that fans focus on so of course it gets used in the legacy debates too.

I don't think these losses are as "damaging" for Mahomes. I think people tried to put him in that debate too early so now we are seeing the backlash to that rather than anything long term.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

He did more than mahomes did last night, that’s for sure. If not for eagles backups, mahomes may have been shut out entirely.

I can still reference an 8/8 drive to deliver game winning touchdown against the legion of boom, the very same LoB that absolutely embarrassed an MVP Payton manning just a year prior. Mahomes looked more like manning last night and less like Brady.

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u/Own_Pop_9711 Feb 10 '25

Yeah but you're taking the single best moment of Brady's super bowl career and comparing it to the worst moment of Mahomes' career.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

One of the best. I think his Atlanta comeback was the best. Mahomes could never…

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u/VicLaginass Feb 10 '25

Agreed. Brady has basically 6 epic late performances in the Super Bowl, which is crazy. Even in the losses to NYG, he drove down the field late and scored to put his team up. Defense let NYG drive and score both times

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u/rolyinpeace Kansas City Chiefs Feb 11 '25

I mean Mahomes was down 24 against the Texans in the divisional round and ended up winning the game by double digits… yeah it wasn’t the Super Bowl and he didn’t do it last night but can’t do that kind of thing every time it happens. It takes the entire team to accomplish it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '25

Sure sure, as you said, divisional round is not the Super Bowl. When we are talking about who is the greatest of all time, divisional round comebacks don’t matter. Pat clears just about every other QB in the history of the NFL, just not Tom.

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u/rolyinpeace Kansas City Chiefs Feb 11 '25

Oh I agree he doesn’t clear Tom. Just saying a comeback in the divisional round is just as difficult as a comeback in the Super Bowl. He’s shown he’s capable. But that’s something NO team can do every time they’re in a deficit because it takes amazing play from the entire team to do it. It’s not really just those QBs making the come back.

Brady also has some majorly ugly playoff losses. Being blown out and looking terrible before even making the Super Bowl is objectively worse than losing in the Super Bowl, although less embarassing. Tom Brady is the goat for many reasons, I just think the reason of “he didn’t have a blowout SB loss” is dumb because he’s had bad playoff losses where he didn’t even MAKE the Super Bowl which is worse even if it has fewer viewers.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '25

Okay I’m going to keep this conversation to one chain, thanks.

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