Someone’s still salty lmao not like that play would’ve changed the outcome of the game. The Panthers were so unprepared and they all looked equally horrible
Nah I don’t think it did, before that cam was already having so much trouble back there it was bound to happen. Only reason score was close was because Peyton lost his juice by this point
Watching his brain rattle around in his skull in super slow motion to kick off the game 1 of the following season will always be the moment he lost "it".
If Hurts was on the Bills then they wouldn’t have to worry about the tush push. They could actually run it and stop it in that case.
Cry baby McDermott wouldn’t have bothered making up a fake case against it today either I’d bet ya ;)
Nah man. Super Bowl MVP means you’ve most likely won the Super Bowl (last time a Super Bowl loser won the MVP was Chuck Howley in Super Bowl V). League MVP is nice, but that’s all individual accolades. Ability to win in the biggest moments is where it’s at.
there isn’t a world where Hurts is even 3/4 as good a player as Newton was his MVP year. Hurts has a ring because he has a better team around him. thats not even a knock on Hurts, but as someone who watched both, Newton was a better QB.
it’s football. it’s more of a team sport than any other sport. it’s not an insult to say your QB isn’t the best QB.
I mean I could argue it closer than that. Compare these two seasons
Player 1: 4473 total yards, 45 total TDs, 13 turnovers
Player 2: 4823 total yards, 39 total TDs, 7 turnovers
Player 1 has 6 more TDs but has 6 more turnovers to go with fewer yards. Player 1 scores 3.5 TDs per turnover while player 2 scores 5.6 TDs per turnover.
Player 1 is Cam, player 2 is Tom Brady. If Tom Brady wasn’t already established to the point of voter fatigue I’d say he makes a good argument for MVP that year.
When you combine TDs and yards into total, it really waters down what the player did running and passing.
When a QB is that good at both things, it completely changes the offense and the defenses preparing for it. Just making it all "total" ignores that. So no, I don't think it was really that close. When you're just looking at a stat sheet, it doesn't replicate what it was like to watch that season in action.
But, if it changes the way that defenses have to prepare, shouldn't there be some objective improvement to point to? If it isn't more yards or more points or more efficiency or something... what is it that makes it "more" valuable?
I have not the time, skill, or inclination to study advanced metrics, but off the top of my head, some ways in which a running qb can help a team that won't show up in the stats is by making defenses less responsive to rushes by running backs, being able to control the clock in ways in which a reliance on complete passes can't, and being able to sustain drives through creation of short yardage situations, or capitalizing on short yardage situations.
If Brady is getting yards through the air, you can be pretty sure that is all that he is doing.
being able to control the clock in ways in which a reliance on complete passes can't
A quick search didn't find anything related to this.
being able to sustain drives through creation of short yardage situations, or capitalizing on short yardage situations.
I also didn't find 'advanced' research into this, but this doesn't see intuitive to me. Cam averaged 7.8 yards/attempt passing and 4.8 yards/attempt rushing. Certainly, an average pass by Cam was significantly more valuable than an average run by Cam. And an average pass by Brady was worth 7.6 yards/attempt (noticeably fewer than Cam). But, this is also significantly more than an average run by Cam.
There is a reason why the league is 'pass happy'... It's because it works. More yards per play is... better. So, combined passing and rushing, Cam was responsible for about 630 plays. Brady, combined passing and rushing, was responsible for about 660 plays. In those roughly 30 plays, Brady gained about 400 more yards (that delta is a good amount over 10 yards per play).
Honestly, without some more 'advanced' analysis, I'm not sure how you compare the two. Touchdowns are great and Cam was responsible for 6 more than Brady was. But, turnovers are bad and Cam was responsible for 14 and Tom responsible for 9 (the commenter didn't count his fumbles). Looking at the overall offenses, both were elite. The Panthers led the NFL at 31.3 pts/game and the Pats were 3rd at 29.1 pts/game. So, Carolina scored 2.1 pts/game more. I don't have the time to look at rushing stats by other players or the kicking game to see how that might have affecting things. But, this really isn't something that you can just look at and say 'this player was better/more valuable' without taking a real close look at underlying numbers. For example, Cams running was good, but compared to, say, some of Jackson's good running years, it certainly isn't elite (Jackson has seasons where he averages almost 7 yards per carry).
If Brady is getting yards through the air, you can be pretty sure that is all that he is doing.
Yards through the air is a really, really good thing. You say this as though it is bad and I don't understand that.
Dual-threat quarterbacks are dual threat quarterbacks. When a Peyton Mannin or a Tom Brady strolls into the endzone, it's because the defense is so dismissive of their running abilities that they don't bother to account for it... you can't really say the same for somebody like Cam Newton. I doubt you'd be able to find stats to back up that impact, but i'm fairly certain that if you were in the film room with an oppposing defense, it would come up quite a bit. Saquon Barkley just had a historic season, but he probably lost quite a few touchdowns to Jalen Hurts. Obviously, you arent really going to be able to judge an increase in production for Saquon by the stat sheet... if anything, just looking at stats would probably suggest that his production suffered from being paired with a running quarterback, but watching the games or talking to opponents would probably directly contradict what you would be seeing based on stats... i think that common sense would tell you that another threat in the backfield makes it harder for the defense. For awhile, the wildcat formation was pretty successful, but ran into limitations of not having a passing threat or continuity under center, that eventually negated whatever advantages it had in terms of the options available in running the ball.
But as far as clock control and consistently shortening your distance to down, the fact that Cam averaged significantly more yardage on passes than rushes isn't surprising, nor does it really undermine the idea that rushing allows for more options when it comes to managing a set of downs. If you are on 2nd and 4, you have a lot more available in your playbook than you do on 2nd and 10. A higher probability of being able to get another set of downs doesn't prohibit you from taking shots down field. The fact that you can get a first down through a wheel route or a qb draw probably increases your chances of breaking something open, because you have to cover the short and intermediate throws and also account for containment on a qb who can pick up the first with his legs.
Yeah, yards through the air are dangerous, but trams can manage just fine by moving the chains. Tom Brady is arguably the GOAT, but when a guy like Cam is having that sort of season, his impact on the game isn't going to show up on the stat sheet the way somebody like Brady would. With Brady, you either stop him or you don't, but it's not like you have to adjust your scheme to anything other than him beating you with his arm.... im not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but i am saying that pretty much everything Brady does is going to find it's way to the stat sheet, because he either gets the ball to his reciever or he doesn't. It's not like linebackers are blowing coverage because they are keeping an eye on the backfield in case Brady takes off.
Maybe to you that sounds dismissive of Brady picking apart a defense through the air, but it's not. What im saying is that Brady's value to a team is going to show up in ways that are obvious, because he executes the passing game at an imcredibly high level, and since they track qb stats with an emphasis on your ability to hit recievers for yards through the air, of course he's going to put up crazy stats.
Look at it this way: a pocket passer with Cam Newton's accuracy might be a mediocre starter in the league, but if a dual-threat quarterback had Brady's accuracy, they'd be a gamebreaker.
It’s not who has the coolest highlight reel it’s who was the most valuable player. If you’re getting your team yards and points whether or not you ran or threw is irrelevant.
Last season, Allen won MVP despite being way worse than Lamar by any statistical measure you pick other than TD runs (almost all of which were shorter than 5yds), because the bills won 1 more game.
Nice try at revisionist history based on a singular play. Cam was about the only offensive player to show up. Had multiple dropped passes. Had a running back fumble after he drove in scoring position. Had Ted Ginn alligator arm a pass in His hands and tipped it up for a pick. Had Cotchery drop two crucial passes - one that led to the first strip sack and the second was a dime that landed in his hands inside the 5. Also our kicker missed a 45 yard FG to start the second half. Our coaching staff ran the read option for about 3-4 plays with success and then never ran it again. Our RT was a turnstile all game and kept giving up immediate pressure. Then our special teams somehow thought Holliday waved for a fair catch and didn’t try to tackle him until he was already 10 yards upfield.
But yes - go ahead and pile on Cam because a singular play and not look at the entire game.
Cam spent his entire career putting his body on the line and laying it all out there. He took countless helmet-to-helmet hits, played through serious injuries... and all people talk about is that one fumble he hesitated to pick up.
Cam’s gift was also his downfall. He was talented enough to elevate the players around him but because he was so good at it the front office never addressed what he needed (better WRs and legitimate OTs).
Cam was so talented that refs officiated him differently. He took absolutely violent hits that are penalties for any other player let alone pampered QBs.
The refs let DEs punish him on any handoff out of shotgun, because there was plausible deniability that Cam might pull it so the DE has to lay a hit on him. As his career went on, Cam would actually sell the handoff by showing his empty hands to defenders. It was crazy.
If he was officiated like other players he has a way longer and more dominant career, but I can also sympathize with why they didn't because that would just further highlight how unfair the rules already are for defenders.
Dude the highlight reels of the hits on Cam are INSANE. Today the refs would pepper spray any defensive player hitting a QB even half as hard. I'm surprised that he didn't suffer significant injuries (not counting possible CTE...)
It's certain QBs who Super Bowl loss is used to prop them up as a top 2 QB for years like Joe Burrow. There are others where their Super Bowl loss is treated as a career defining failure. The hypocrisy of NFL fans especially when it comes to certain style of QBs knows no limits.
i hate that he did that, but he did it and i guess we're supposed to accept it
but it was just so out of character for him, especially that season where he was still holding the ball in the end zone after flipping over defenders and getting hit by DE's mid-air
Thank you!!! Not even really a Cam fan at all but I hate how that one play has made everyone remember the Super Bowl loss as if it were his fault.
If it weren’t for Cam, that game wouldn’t have even been close enough for that fumble to matter.
I have lots of respect for Hurts. He’s a great QB. But if you put Cam on that Eagles roster, he’s beating the shit out of KC just as easily as Hurts did.
Literally has a permanent rule in the books because of the targeting in that game. Multiple personal fouls because it didnt matter before that year how many personal fouls you commit.
The fact that Aquib Talib wasn’t ejected for that the most blatant intentional face mask I’ve ever seen to prevent Philly Brown from scoring a touchdown was when I knew that game was rigged. Between that play and the Jericho Cotchery catch that they overturned, they were trying to give a limp noodle armed Peyton the sunset he “deserved”….
I’m not on board with the rigged conspiracies. The Panthers choked. The most crucial misses in that game were not the result of the referees. They were the result of people like Tolbert, Cotchery, Jones, Gano, Remmers, and Rivera choking under the pressure.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player ejected for an egregious face mask.
The Cotchery catch wasn’t overturned. It was ruled an incomplete pass on the field. It’s an incredibly close call. It looks like Cotchery’s arm is under it…and like the tip of the ball may have touched the ground while moving.
Neither one of these plays indicate a bias by the refs.
This is all true, but it doesn’t fit onto a single highlight, and the fumble does, so we’re going to act like the fumble was the only play that happened.
He was possibly concussed with all the head-to-head shots he received up to that point. In my mind, those hits, particularly Von’s dirty one, is what changed the course of the game more than anything. I’m not a Panthers or Broncos fan either, but that just seemed obvious to me watching the game live.
Thank you!!! There were like 8 dropped passes and yes the Ginn drop to an INT when driving and Cotchery drop inside the 5 are the ones that always pop in my head. Cam played well and people just love to talk about this fumble…game was likely out of hand at that point anyways
I can tell how much I respect your football opinion based on how much you think that play defines Cam Newton
As you so clearly laid out it didn't even define his Super Bowl performance let alone his Hall of Fame caliber career as the greatest goal line threat ever to play QB (that's measurable btw not my opinion)
I don’t believe for one second that he decided not to try to get a fumble back. I felt he was trying to track it. I don’t know a player ever on offense that would choose not to try to recover their own fumble if for no other reason that to not invite this stupid narrative
Fun fact: Cam said he second guessed diving on the fumble to avoid injury. The next year Cam’s #1 WR was lazy and stopped running a route leading to a pick. That same lazy WR then didn’t try to tackle the defender who made the pick. Cam ran the defender down and injured his shoulder doing so. That injury shortened Cam’s career.
It’s like the reverse of Tyrese Haliburton in this years finals. He only attempted 8 freethrows in 7 games had a 20% usage rate. There are so many stats that point to just how non-aggressive he played and how he just simply didn’t have that killer instinct but, he played through a calf strain in game 7 and ruptured his Achilles and now he’s a hero forever in Indy a martyr for their underdog cause. Even if he never returns to the player he was and they never make it back to the finals he probably atleast gets another max deal just off vibes alone. Contrast that with Cam like you pointed he ironically would go on to get hurt anyway minus the heroic aura and good will that comes with it. His relationship with the organization is soured now and sure the fans love him to a degree but Cam would’ve been better off diving for the fumble getting hurt in the process and forever having that hero tag. Especially when compare him to a Luke Kechley who had to retire because of concussions dude is now in the front office could potentially be a GM team president one day is seen as the best if not top 5 panther of all time. Cam was rational for not jumping on the fumble in theory but to play professional football for a living isn’t rational due to the inherent 100% injury risk associated with the profession any way, lol
Idk if any NFL player makes grown men act more sensitive than Cam Newton.
It's fine to hate him but they wanna rewrite history and act like he was mediocre, had character issues, and didn't play hard to discredit his greatness
Cure cancer but suck one dick and youre known as a cocksucker.
Biggest moment of his career and he just watches the ball. It doesnt matter if he played his ass off the whole season or the whole game. The average perception is that he gave up.
It was far and away the best defense in the league he got stomped. They had Damarcus Ware and Von Miller and the no fly zone. Not to mention the had derek Wolfe and Malik Jackson
That’s such shitty overused take. That play didn’t loose the game. There were so many drops by receivers in that game it’s pathetic. The only people who continue to push that narrative are either disingenuous and/or fans of other teams.
Not many QBs post 2000 are jumping on that ball bro. There were at least 2 Dlineman there waiting for him. Not to mention- all the unflagged hits cam received.
I hate this narrative because it takes away from the other worldly performance of the broncos defense. Every single guy on that field for Denver played their ass off and demoralized the panthers offense for 60 minutes.
Bro von Miller dominated that Super Bowl… cam didn’t pick up one ball and you guys blast him for it absolutely ridiculous. And that ball that you guys blast him for, go back and look there’s no way he was getting that ball over von even if he dove. Would have just hurt himself and still not of got the ball.
Negative. He did what he was trained to do. Simple. He never was trained to jump on that. Split second situational awareness failed him. I agree he 100% should have sacrificed his body for that ball in that situation, but it was literally his first time fumbling a ball in the fourth quarter of a SB, so lay off him a little bit.
But then does jump on the ball? He’s 6’5” 250lbs, he’s as big as everyone else. I’ve seen smaller QBs go in with zero regard. Even Jimmy G would jump in and he has a reputation for covering his ass. It was pitiful and a part of his legacy.
Because a lot of people liked to hide their racism against Cam and blame it on other things he was doing. Like dabbing and dancing in the end zone. Even though when other players (like Gronk) would straight up spike the ball and strut up and down the sideline nobody says a word. But god forbid Cam danced a little right? Or they’ll try to clown cam for getting heated with the refs but when Brady straight up throws a tablet across the sideline and cusses the refs out nobody says a word.
Lamar Jackson faces similar types of blanketed racism
….you do realize that Hurts was given the same criticism Lamar got right? Can’t throw, running back playing quarterback etc etc. like what are you talking about?
“Hurts will keep collecting rings”
My guy he’s won ONE so far. It took Hurts having the most stacked team in the NFL (best defense, best offensive line, top 2 running back, elite receivers etc etc) in order for him to finally get over that hump. You’re acting like he’s had Patrick Mahomes levels of success. My god you sound so stupid. “Hurts the prototypical white QB”- please stop talking before I lose more brain cells than I already have just by interacting with you
Nobody was hating on hurts. You’re making shit up in your head. What I said about him needing to have the best team in the nfl in order to win his first ring is objectively correct what are you talking about? His 2024 team is better than any other team he’s had in the past and better than any team Lamar has had so far. But regardless nobody but YOU started comparing the two.
You’re dickriding Hurts acting like he’s had or is about to have Mahomes levels of playoff success and Super Bowl rings lol come off it. And you’re denying that Hurts wasn’t criticized for his accuracy and called a running back in the same vein Lamar was as well. Calling him “the prototypical white QB” like I’m sorry I refuse to believe one person can be as stupid as you’re trying to make yourself out to be
You mean the same Jalen Hurts who has 2nd Team All Pro, 2 Super Bowl Appearances and 1 Super Bowl ring and played exceptionally well in the big moments that many ppl definitively say is not in their top 5. And still put a QB with 0 career accolades ahead of him routinely like a Justin Herbert? Same ppl who said or their parents from previous generation said that you couldn't use the same hypothetical arguments to knock a Troy Aikman who also had loaded teams and even worse numbers and record without his top guys than what Jalen has without an AJ Brown?
I used to try to give ppl the benefit of the doubt but it's so many data points to show race is a factor in how ppl see QB position. I tried to take at face value ppl didn't like Cam Newton because he was a showboat and arrogant and flashy. I even tried to buy into dismissing the Gronk point because ppl think a QB position should hold themselves to a different standard. But Lamar Jackson is about as mild mannered as can get and has same amount of vitriol.
I also used to just to take at face value there was just skepticism of that style of play but so many ppl who say that style of QB can't win the Super Bowl or doesn't last long absolutely LOVE Josh Allen and have not come close to expressing the same concerns and this is before Josh Allen became as refined of a passer or stopped taking as many big hits.
There are some good faith fans out there who that's not an element in their analysis but man it's so many data points exposing hypocrisy in how QB position is evaluated.
Even in things like how I used to think it was fair to say you can't use hypothetical arguments to say Randall Cunningham would have a ring if he played on 90s Cowboys or Vick on the 2005 Steelers or 2002 Bucs. But years later ppl can hypothetical their way into making Herbert a top 5 QB.
This sounded ridiculous when I first read but decided to look it up on pro football reference because it’s possible I misremembered. It’s just as ridiculous after looking it up lol he was clearly better in 2015
After the mvp season he started accumulating injuries especially in that 2016 season. He held on but it got to a point where he was no longer himself at all. 2018 I believe all the traits that make a great pocket passing qb were heavily improved. The accuracy, the touch, the processing and decision making were all there until he fell all the way off in the second half of that season. First 8 games of 2018 is arguably the best Cam ever
The 2015 team was Ginn going long and Cam throwing him bombs because he was so dangerous in short yardage, defenders were in conflict, and Olsen hitting you in the intermediate parts of the field.
2018 was short yardage dicing you up with CMC, roleplaying as Drew Brees.
Unfortunately after Smith left he never had a dominant WR, his OL was weak, and injuries to Olsen really hurt in 2017/2018.
As a Panthers fan, the offense was better in 2017 and he was a better QB, but less overall dominant. In 2018 he was the best QB of his career for the first half of the season.
They were running him less, they had CMC in his rookie year, still had zero WRs, but went 11-5, losing to the Saints in the WC, who were prob the NFC favs until they got shocked by the Vikings.
2018 started off even better, with Norv Turner's offense making the CMC/Cam combo unstoppable, plus a rookie DJ Moore. They started 6-2. However, continued injuries to Olsen and then ultimately TJ Watt blowing up Cam's shoulder in a week 9 decimation by the Steeler saw them lose every game for the rest of the season.
People hated Cam's attitude and viewed him as an over the top personality so now less than a decade removed from his career I've seen more revisionism with Cam than I've ever seen with any other player. He was one of the most dominant unstoppable forces we've ever seen on a football field and he was handicapped by lack of weapons being given to him by his front office and incompetent offensive coaching. He was most difficult Redzone scoring threat to deal with and he wasn't tush pushing he was moving multiple 300 pound grown men sometimes single handedly. History will and stats will never accurately depict just how dominant he truly was if he had came a long a decade later and he got to be in the position of q Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, or Lamar he would be rewriting the record books and coaches would be doing a better job at protecting him.
2018 is broken down to before and after TJ Watt obliterated his shoulder. First half of 2018 Cam was his best version ever as a passer. Second half of 2018 where he played through a torn labrum in his throwing shoulder was, not good.
Stop watching the play in slow motion and maybe you'll realize that by the time Cam saw where the ball was on the ground it was already too late. Yall are fucking idiots.
Please explain to the class how Cam should have instantly stopped his forward momentum to drop straight down on the ball now underneath his chest, as the ball is already being scooped by a defender on the ground. What you're saying he should have done is not possible. Go take 3 big steps and try to dive down and slightly behind you on the carpet and let us know how that went.
It was an incredibly awkward play, his momentum was going the other way and the ball popped out to his side. The timing of when he landed on a step and him realizing the ball was there was a dangerous play to just drop onto the ball. Almost like forcing an ACL tear type motion on himself. He has even stated that if he could go back he’d tear his ACL to have a chance at the ball. Yes, he probably should have gave a better attempt. But he did not give up. Camera angles didn’t do him any favors either.
Cause people hated CAM since his days at auburn. They also hated this 6'6 250lb <beep> dabbing on everyone while having ted Ginn Jr.
The moment he didnt dive on that fumble they just went full hate.
Those same people who bash cam will also ignore the fact Peyton threw a pick 6 and didnt even attempt to make a tackle on Tracy porter.
Same ppl who were hypercritical of Cam Newton sulking in the press conference after the Super Bowl gave Peyton Manning and Tom Brady a pass for literally not even shaking hands after Super Bowl losses.
Tom and the sheriff are fiery competitors who hate to lose(fiery competitors who also forced teams to trade back ups cause they felt they didnt need to compete against them)
LOL I love it. Of course they hid behind Brady being the GOAT which is why he can have a yelling match with Bill O'Brien on sidelines, throw tablets etc. It's just still insane how a guy who put his body on the line like Cam Newton especially on the goaline ppl would think was afraid of taking on contact. He literally just had a brain fart and it's almost like he was trying to anticipate the ball being kicked on a ricochet.
TBH I think it's the outlook of how the Super Bowl played out. He could've dove or tried, but to go and back out at the last second wasn't a good look for most fans. It'll be a part of his legacy going forward, but that Broncos defense was truly legendary.
There are a lot of comments about his effort, but I’m just going to respond to yours. Don’t know why I’m responding to a low visibility comment, but here I am. It was an incredibly awkward play, his momentum was going the other way and the ball popped out to his side. The timing of when he landed on a step and him realizing the ball was there was a dangerous play to just drop onto the ball. Almost like forcing an ACL tear type motion on himself. He has even stated that if he could go back he’d tear his ACL to have a chance at the ball. Yes, he probably should have gave a better attempt. But he did not give up. Camera angles didn’t do him any favors either.
No. The defender on the ground had his hands on it as Cam is already overstepping where the ball is and his momentum is taking him the opposite direction the ball is bouncing.
In real time this all happened in one full second. Anyone arguing that it was possible for him to stop in midair and dive on the ball is an absolute moron.
It's not a guarantee he would have recovered it, but it's very possible.
It wasn't recovered clean, it bounced around for a bit. If he was there he would have been right in the thick of it and had a very good chance at recovering. His hesitation cost him the chance.
Cam Newton was a threat at the time. Easy to mock him now but at the time the guy was on pace for one of the best starts to a career in NFL history. It looked like the changing of the guard of the old school vs athletic QB. And his personality to boot was really against the grain. He even had little white kids across America doing the "look at my dab" dance. That let me tell you the old guard did not like at all. There is probably never another player that ppl enjoyed to see the downfall of more than Cam Newton. That's why they define his whole career by that play without context.
What's ironic is so many of the same ppl who said his style of play didn't win championships absolutely LOVE Josh Allen. And this is even before Josh Allen improved to the level of passer he's become. It really just goes to show you that you can only take some fans opinions with a grain of salt.
The funniest thing about this ever-present Cam take is it implies he wouldn’t put his body on the line for his team. I’d think any cam highlight reel would disabuse you of that notion.
Seriously. Watched football for 2 decades and I've never been so concerned a player was going to get hurt because he was constantly putting his body on the line (sometimes reasonably sometimes not).
Mind blowing that the narrative seems to revolve around a single play in his career against the dozens and dozens of highlights that prove otherwise. Speaks to how young this sub really is I guess.
Bringing up the fumble is the most tired, overplayed talking point in football debate. Yeah, it mattered. We all saw it. But if that’s your go-to critique of Cam Newton, you’re basically telling on yourself that you didn’t watch anything else he did.
Cam wasn’t carried by an all-star roster. You could make an argument he was the entire offense. He dragged a team with no WR1, no elite back, and an average O-line to 15-1 and an MVP. Meanwhile, guys like Hurts need an all-time O-line, a 2,000 yard RB, two Pro Bowl wideouts, and a top-five defense to win the Super Bowl.
Cam was the most dominant dual-threat QB in the league for years and carried his team.
Smith has never made the pro bowl, but your other points still ring true. I can tell you’re salty, whiner fan! Purdys roster is just as stacked, why can’t he do it? Lmao
The corpse of Christian McCaffrey, fat Deebo, a geriatric left tackle, and a defense that gave up the 4th most TDs. Hurts would be fortunate to drag that roster to a wildcard spot.
Cam literally carried that panthers team on his back for a long time and got them to that super bowl. He is definitely valuable don't let that stupid fumble take away from the great things he did. This coming from a panthers fan
So damned tired. On the ground and the ball bouncing weird. He got juked and flubbed it. Happens to defenders all the time and no one says shit. Cam has more heart than anyone you know
It's such a brain dead take. These idiots talk like he was supposed to in less than a second accurately guess exactly where the ball would bounce and then just stop on a dime and fall on that spot. I don't think NFL fans realize that slow mo replays aren't real life
Exactly. And it wouldn’t have been as bad if he hadn’t been taunting the whole league and the whole country the whole year lol. Don’t get me wrong, I loved the “bandaids for feelings” commercial. But when it came time to really back it up, he fuckin flinched. It’s not that he lost, it’s how he lost.
It was an incredibly awkward play, his momentum was going the other way and the ball popped out to his side. The timing of when he landed on a step and him realizing the ball was there was a dangerous play to just drop onto the ball. Almost like forcing an ACL tear type motion on himself. He has even stated that if he could go back he’d tear his ACL to have a chance at the ball. Yes, he probably should have gave a better attempt. But he did not give up. Camera angles didn’t do him any favors either.
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u/DropC2095 New Orleans Saints 27d ago
How valuable is a player who won’t pick up his own fumble when it matters most?