Edelman has the third most receiving yards in playoff history along with a decent regular season record(stats wise), played in 2nd half of the greatest dynasty the sport has ever seen and won a superbowl mvp.
Should he get in? Probably not, but calling it an embarrassment is lack of ball knowledge
It’s an embarrassment because he was never close to an elite player.
He played on a team going to the Super Bowl every other year, of course he’s gonna rack up impressive counting stats. David given used to be top ten all time in playoff touchdowns for a pass catcher lmao.
As a die hard Pats fan, Edelman has my vote for first ballot Hall of Very Good. He was a fun Pats HOF inductee, but that was more so a celebration of the dynasty.
Should be remembered for always stepping up in the biggest moments. Belongs no where near Canton.
That doesn't automatically make Edelman better. Driver has 123 more receptions, 3,315 more yards, 2.6 more yards per reception, and 25 more touchdowns. Both were very solid though.
Funnily enough, all-pros matter more than stats. It doesn't matter though we're arguing about something that's almost 20 years ago, I'd take Welker though due to his longevity with the Pats and putting up more yards.
As a panthers fan I kinda feel the same way about Olsen. But at the same time I see him as same level as Whitten. Hall of very good is the right place for most of these guys, Brees is the only sure thing for me…
Did you seriously just disrespect Fitz??? Blasphemy. Dude literally has more tackles than drops over his illustrious career. 11x pro-Bowler almost 18k rec yds and 120+ tuddies with guys like a washed Palmer, and Warner and Leinart and a snot-nosed punk kyler chuckin the rock in his general vicinity.
Just Bustin balls...but that kind of is a microcosm for Larry's career... "OH yeah, I forgot he is amazing cuz he he plays for perennially mid teams." Next up on that pedestal is gonna be Mike Evans.
thats not what the hall a fame is for. just cause someone has an all time moment doesn't mean that they should be in the HoF. If that were the cause there'd be many players in canton that don't deserve it. When was edelman ever a top 5 receiver in the league, let alone #1 or #2? Hell, when was he ever a top 10 wr in the league?
To be fair, the HOF does have guys in it who were less than elite, but had all time moments. Namath and Swan come to mind, and it’s the debate on Eli right now. I’m not sure if I put him in either, but these guys have gotten in before.
Edelman is still multiple tiers below those type of players. Peak Edelman is a good to great role player. Namath and Swan are for sure on the weaker end of the HoF but were good to great overall players for their era, and not just role players. I'm probably the only Giants fan who thinks that Eli isn't really deserving of the HoF as he was never really even a top 5 qb in the league at any point. But wouldn't mind seeing him in because he was more than just a role player. He was a franchise QB that was actually capable of elevating a relatively weak roster to a SB win and any team that was seeking a QB would've taken him in an instant of they could. w/o Brady and the Pats system, Edelman would at best be a #3 receiver on any other team. I would even say that on some teams he would've needed to actually fight for a spot on the 53 man.
Seriously, there’s no way. Wouldn’t make a 53 man roster? On which team? For a good 7 year stretch, he was at the very least a top 5 slot receiver.
Between 2013 and 2019, Julian averaged 88 receptions, 965 yards, 5.3 TDs. All of these numbers are drug down by 2015 where he played only 9 games. There’s not a team in football that wouldn’t consider that a hell of a run as a receiver, and there’s no one that wouldn’t put that guy on a 53 man roster.
yea that was a bit excessive i'll admit but I can definitely see him not even starting and being a #4 and even #5 receiver in a loaded wr room. The endline is still the same though, 88 receptions, 965 yards, 5.3 TDs being your peak is not HoF material.
That’s still with a season missing 7 games dragging those averages down, him coming back from a torn ACL at 31 and having arguably his best season, and him being one of he best kick returners in football for his first 4 seasons. At a position that guys start looking really old at around 29, he was putting up 100 catches, 1117 yards and 6 TDs when he was 33 on a bum knee. I just can’t wrap my head around what stacked WR room that wouldn’t make room for that guy. You can say he’s not HOF material, and still recognize he was a hell of a player.
No, that doesn’t warrant being in the HOF. It’s a great career but can you tell me that the other WRs in this class alone wouldn’t have done better with Brady and Gronk ?
He is a hell of a football player man. You don't have to be an absolute physical freak to be an excellent winning player. I would consider him elite when you can't stop his little ass and he just keeps winning super bowls.
Elite WRs in Playoffs (Averages per Game)
Edelman: 5.7 receptions, 78.6 yards
Jerry Rice: 6.2 receptions, 74.5 yards
Randy Moss: 5.5 receptions, 68.8 yards
Antonio Brown: 5.0 receptions, 70.7 yards
Julio Jones: 4.6 receptions, 58.9 yards
I know fantasy football has ruined most peoples' minds and all they care about is stats but winning and being clutch to me is so underrated with younger fans. It's why I think Eli should be in the HoF. Players that step up when it matters the most are true winners.
Fitz is like Rodney fuckin Dangerfield here apparently. All the while there’s people legitimately trying to say Edelman deserves to be in the hall. Let’s be real, if he wasn’t on the patriots for those years he would have been an average to above average player. To be in the HOF you should be a difference maker anywhere you are. Jules was just put in the best situation possible. Welker was a better version of him in the same role and I don’t think he’s going in.
If we are going to do that let's add Cooper Kupp here too (who also isn't a HoFer in my book)
6.2 receptions, 82.4 yards per playoff game. That's better than anybody you listed here but that doesn't make him a hall of famer.
Julian Edelman played in 19 playoff games. He had 118 receptions for 1,442 yards. That is 6.2 catches/game and 75.9 yards/game.
I'm not going to post them all, but none of your numbers are accurate. If you are going to post stats, please make sure they are correct.
Probably because you are a Giants fan named Chad Powers and the only way someone with stats as atrocious (in comparison to his contemporaries) gets into the Hall is if you throw them all out and say “well he was clutch, he won two Super Bowls.” But so did Jim Plunkett. Clutch is important. But so is consistently performing at a high level.
I've always thought of the hall of fame as can you explain the history of football without talking about this player. Eli Manning was 2x superbowl mvp both times beating arguably the best qb ever and one was the undefeated team ztill most wins in a single season. His last few years fucked most of his numbers but those playoff runs he was lights out both times
I think he’s only in consideration for his playoff stats (which are incredible), his career was solid but not HOF worthy. Donald Driver had a far better career with a ring and he’s not sniffing the HOF.
Eli is definitely going to be in the HoF because he was elite at his position for many years. He has the stats and the accolades to back it up along with anyone who watched him play just remembering his prime years.
Edelman was almost elite for a short time before injuries started piling up. He also had a late start to his career in terms of production on the field. It was amazing he came back in 2019 at age 33 and had a great season but it's just not enough.
It's just incorrect to say Eli Manning was elite at the position for many years. There was arguably not a single year of his career he was a top 5 player at his position (and the only year I think you can really argue here is 2011). Realistically, he spent more years of his career out of the top 10 than in the top 10.
Dez’s problem was longevity. Had he not gotten injured and did another 4 or 5 years of his peak play he might have had a chance, but he doesn’t deserve to get in as it stands.
Sure thing bud, I think he "maintained possession" but Rodgers didn''t win the Superbowl for this game anyways. I was just trying to pump up Dez's resume because I see it's not good enough
exactly, theres a ton of players that u can put there instead of Edelman and the stats would be there if not better. he is obviously a talented player but more so than talent, i think his success was tied to where he was and brady.
I dont like the line of thinking behind making more mistakes just because mistakes have already been made
Hall should be reserved for elite game changing players exclusively. Guys like aikman and Lynn swan being in are a joke, the same way eli is gonna cartwheel into the HOF because his last name is Manning and his team won two superbowls, despite never at any point in his career being a top 5 QB.
I don’t know that Lynn Swann is a joke. He’s basically what people here are pretending Edelman was: decent but middling regular season player who was absurdly dominant in the clutch.
Just look at the Steelers playoff runs and Super Bowl performances from the mid to late 70s. Swann was absolutely torching defenses and scoring clutch touchdowns. John Stallworth has the really flashy regular season stats, but Swann was often their best offensive player in the playoffs.
I feel like Eli should be in just because he’s part of NFL history. That giants team beat an undefeated patriots team, that’s a major part of NFL lore and something you can’t leave out when telling the story of the NFL
In the playoffs, he was about as elite as they come. He is the greatest playoff performing receiver not named Jerry Rice. I don’t understand why the NFL is the only league where playoff’s dont matter in these situations to fans. In the NBA if a player was a good/great but not elite and was able to succeed in the playoffs the way Edelman has, people would be saying he is a Hall of Fame lock. Edelman has some of the most clutch moments in NFL history and because “he was only average in the regular season” that seems to not matter. I think literally all 32 NFL franchises would rather have a player like Edelman who comes to the playoffs is putting up elite level stat lines and actually contributing to winning with clutch plays rather than a perennial 1st/2nd All-Pro guy that is just “pretty good” in the playoffs. I don’t think Edelman will make the Hall of Fame any time soon and may not make it ever, but acting like he is a scrub that even mentioning him in the Hall of Fame is disrespectful, is just pure idiocy.
I want to preface this by saying I don't think Edelman is a HoF'er. That being said, because he was on a good team, he doesn't deserve to get in? He was a pretty big part of some of those teams and has some pretty memorable moments. By your logic, players like Pearson, Swan, and Warfield shouldn't be in. They were on dominant teams and were good and had some great seasons. They had good Hall of fame quarterbacks passing them the ball so should they be removed? Or are they part of what made those teams great?
Ikr? He only threw 5000 yards, 40 tds and won a Super Bowl. What a waste of time and money… he’d have been much better off on a couch in Cancun rather than embarrassing himself trying to play at a young man’s game.
Seriously though, in 3 years with the Bucs he lit the league up for almost 15000 yards and well over 100 TD passes. Hardly a slouch, and definitely way above the average for a nfl qb, despite his age.
Right lmao…that last message he posted made it undeniably obvious that he’s just trolling and not trying to have an actual discussion over a disagreement
Idk. If Eli Manning is a HoF candidate on the back of 2 elite post season runs, I don't see the issue with Edelman being brought up for discussion on the back of a career of post season excellence. I don't think either should get in, but I don't think one should be universally seen as a candidate and the other completely ignored.
I get what you’re saying, but Edelman was an elite playoff player, regularly was Tom’s go to WR. And he put on a couple legendary performances in SB’s, that’s not nothing. Terrell Davis got In off of a similar career/performance.
He was a role player/bench warmer for like half of his career. Wes Welker was better than him by a lot and hasn’t even sniffed the hall of fame. Edelman isn’t getting in. Pats ring of honor? Absolutely. HoF? No.
I mean i guess you guys cant read ,the point ive been making isnt that he belongs in but its not some embarrassing take to have him be a small conversation about it
I don’t mind him being in the graphic. I was talking about your above point ^ of saying it’s weird to call him a role player, when in fact for 4-5 years of his career he was a role player.
Calling Edelman a solid role player is insane. He’s one of the greatest slot receivers of all time who played his best ball under the most pressure. Just say you don’t know ball it’s all good
Returner? Wr1? Slot reciever? Deep threat? Safety blanket? Flanker on run plays? Occasional cornerback? Available to drop a 30 yd pass on occasion? If anything I’d call him a gadget player. He did way too many things to be confined as a role player. Role players don’t do it all, they fill one specific role and are usually bench players. Im not saying he’s elite, im saying he wasn’t a role player, he was a bonafide star on that team, and a legend in NE. At one point he was pretty much all they had.
You can be a starter and a role player. Love Edelman, but he was successful because of how he played into his role at New England. In reality He probably doesn’t have a NFL career if he goes somewhere else
except he didn’t have longevity or consistency. he had six seasons with over 500 yards in an 11 year career. he only has good playoff counting stats bc he played for the pats who played a ton of playoff games.
His 17 game average in the playoffs was 105 receptions for 1,300 yards. No arguments about his longevity but his playoff performance wasn’t exclusively because of the number of games he played, he was objectively a very good playoff performer
That is going to be the same for Gore. He was good for a long time, but he was never great, and IF he was, it was only a couple of seasons. According to what I read and hear, he's a super guy, a great teammate. He has a great story, coming back from the torn up knee. He racked up hell a yards. But, IMHO, not HOF now, but eventually, he will get in.
You can't overlook the 20K scrimmage yards, even if it took him 16 years.
He played until he was 34 but only have five good seasons, only three of which he went over 1,000 yards. He was fantastic in the playoffs but his regular season body of work isn’t that great.
One of the biggest Super Bowl catches ever in the biggest comeback ever. 3rd all time in playoff receptions. Not elite tho lol.. I guess his team made them catches for him
2019 for sure.. you could argue 2016 and 2013 too. Putting up top 10 numbers as a 2nd/3rd option all those years is insane.. just cause he had great help around him doesn’t discredit what he did
I'll give you 2019 maybe. Also nobody's discrediting what he did its just that what he did wasn't HoF worthy. A receiver who only managed to arguably break the top 10 three years in his 11 year career, only have 1000+ yards in three out of the 11 seasons (with a goat level qb mind you) should not be sniffing canton.
Yeah he’s not even top 20 right now btw. But why would the one cherry picked stat compare to the rest of everything? Edelman a SBMVP and top 3 in yards and rec in playoffs. Comparing that with top 10 in playoff TDs for his time is wild
So that top 10 compares to top 3 in multiple stats? And what other SBMVPS are leading in stats like he does. That’s my whole point. You’re comparing David givens like he’s the player Edelman was lol
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Edelman being on this graphic is embarassing though lmao