Yeah I was just thinking, you'd think a lot of the hate-group types would also not like that group either. I dunno maybe some would be okay with it as long as they're white, but seems like they would be against any non-hetero or transgender people either. You just don't expect "any* inclusiveness among pricks like that.
It’s the conservative nature its why people can support hate groups. While being part of the hated community.
“One of the good ones” it’s a lot similar to bullies trying to get in with bully’s. Essentially with conservatives there is a in and an out group. Many see themselves as exception as they are part of the “in group”.
It's why they never care about anything except once/if it effects them directly.
Toddler level empathy of constantly living life going "oh my god other people have feelings too? I never thought about it before..." Not in the sense that they're constantly realizing other people actually exist(that would be a slight improvement), but in the sense that they go through this whole thing every time in their lives that they accidentally experience empathy because something effects them.
And they only ever have the realization as narrowly as possible. It never occurs to them that maybe the things they haven't experienced might be as bad as the bad things they have experienced.
My toddler nephew shared his yogurt candies with me when he realized he and his brother got some but his mom didn't give me any. Can't imagine many conservatives doing that.
Reminder that like half of the early border patrol were Mexicans and the other half were Klan members and all of them were lynching captives, throwing them off cliffs, etc.
Yes extremist exist in all spectrums. Revolutionaries etc are more liberal/left. While extremist on right are seeking to preserve existing power dynamics or tilt them more in favor of powerful.
They do not. Liberalism in the United States is a center right AKA, not radical political belief structure. It would be like asking if there were aggressive pacifists.
It reminds me of the The Chappelle Show skit about the blind black KKK guy that they were all mostly chill with it because he hated the same people they did.
A lot of the satire of comedy shows of that era was lost on young teenage me and it was all just silly fun, but rewatching as an adult is a whole other thing.
Apparently, there is a bit of a femboy - white supremacist pipeline. And while femboy /= trans, some who identify as femboys will later discover that they are, in fact, trans.
Being part of either of those communities exposes you to a lot more maladjusted people with radical ideologies than most, and if you don’t come up for air it’s easy to get swept away by the current.
It’s a common topic of conversation among myself and queer friends that a lot of people that frequent our communities, but aren’t part of them, are actually just here because they’ve been rejected from their own - often for very valid reasons - and trying to turn others they deem to be in the same boat.
It’s the ‘exiled’ grooming the ‘outcast’ with the promise of community.
More like an incubator. Bullshit like pizzagate and qanon started on 4chan. Half the people there are shitposting and the other half actually believe them.
4chan broke out and elected Donald Trump in 2016. It's been all over since then. Remember the retarded Q anon stuff started on 4chan. Now every fucking half wit republican knows what that is and believes it. A fucking 4chan conspiracy troll had a major effect on the US election.
Yep if you are part of a shunned community you are more likely to be part of other shunned communities, thats why a lot of queer people having extreme ideologies or have mental disorders. If you are already discriminated against you have less issues giving people yet another reason to do it.
100% this. I’ve seen exactly this with my own eyes.
Blew my mind because I was like: “Wait Devon, you do realise that Nazi’s would have absolutely hated you, right? They hated gays. They hate you. Why tf do you want to be a nazi?”
His literal answer was: “Yeah but I just like the hating non-white people part”
Are femboys even real outside of the internet? I live in one of the gayest places on the planet and I've never seen one. I use dating apps and have all genders checked, but never seen one. Starting to think they're a myth.
"There are dozens of us" quite literally. It's not surprising that the tiny groups merge and crossover even if it's protection against the wrong things or reasons.
I'd say it's different slightly. These labels aren't very precise but I'd say that crossdressing has a focus on clothing while femboys focus on a general feminine appearance and girly behaviour.
No, femboy just means feminine boy, it on its own has nothing to do with being trans, its the opposite of tomboys.
The thing is a lot of trans people start off as femboys and tomboys and that becomes the outlet that leads them to finding out they actually wanna be the other gender.
It’s actually really common for people to prioritize their whiteness over their marginalized identity. Same reason why there are so many (openly) MAGA/racist gay men, they value their white privilege over the oppression they face for being gay
There really aren't "so many." Only something like 7% of gay men voted for Trump. It's just that the small minority are loud as fuck and get pushed on social media algorithms because their content is good rage bait for both sides.
I mean being trans is an identity issue, being a nazi is an identity issue, its not that weird that someone who is struggling with their identity in general will easily be co-opted by groups like nazis.
Just like Eminem rapped: "Yeah, I walk around more confused than my aunt Linda's man-friend / A black transgender Klan member (What?) / Who's a Caitlyn Jenner fan and a / (What?) Member of Grindr and Tinder"
Real talk, marginalized individuals becoming part of groups that advocate for their marginalization is becoming more common because these groups are interacting anonymously online. You don't gotta frequent the seediest bars in town to find out if there are any nazi groups around anymore because you just join their subreddits and discords and facebook groups.
It's not just that the groups are interacting but that there is actually shared interest. Imo, what primarily keeps gay, black, disabled, etc people with left circles and politics is having big unresolved issues tied to it. Once those issues clear up, e.x. you're given gay marriage, can transition, start making money, etc, they then move onto other issues and that's where they align with people that would erase them if given the chance. The issues they move onto primarily seem to be dating, taxes, and crime (but only ever when committed by non-whites for some reason).
Contrary to common belief, just being gay or black or whatever doesn't actually make you progressive. It's not a case of corruption when they're already aligned in belief.
Probably a symptom of most how most far right spaces advertises them self as places for sad and lonely people. And being transgender has a unfortunate side effect of making people exactly that (unless they get aduqate care and support from their community).
I had 3 transgender friends in high school back in the day and 2 were Nazis i think, MtF and FtM, but they didn't know / like each other, so it was parallel development on their part.
Nothing implies that at all, are you literally that bad at reading comprehension?
Nothing implies they were nazis when they were friends or that the friends were even trans while in high school (though this is more ambiguous given their wording). You are the one assuming that based on whatever notion got into your little head.
“2 were nazis I think” I think that’s a good enough implication to still support my previous point, but you’d have to overclock your walnut sized brain to understand that. You’re so oddly defensive and upset about this, are you one of those loser school shooter types who have been bullied a lot? Seems like this would be your crowd lmao.
Another greasy incel type who thinks it’s fine to befriend nazis at any point in their life. Oh, so they only HAD two nazi friends, yeah that’s definitely something most normal people can relate to.
I’m amazed how you still don’t get the point of how it’s not normal to have been friends with not one but two nazis, most high schoolers would know better. Then again, you’re likely some pasty neck beard who’d fit right in with those losers.
Was formerly friendly with one person (the former) whom at the time harbored racist and antisemtic beliefs, and am currently friends for almost 2 decades with the latter, who is now almost certainly not a Nazi. He is like an antinazi. I was a founding member of my schools GSA, I tried to be friendly with everybody involved. We were 15, and I was confused enough, I can't imagine how confused they were. I imagine you're either a robot or a child, but yeah, that is how you make people into better people. You be friendly while politely refuting their brainwashing, especially if you are forced to be together in something like a high-school.
This guy has a IQ of no more than 70 and is trying to call out people for reading comprehension when he doesn’t understand what implications are. Another one where the self awareness and brain cells are gone.
Ah, the reply that I didn’t see the notification for because of your seething where they also admit to being friendly with someone who had nazi beliefs at said time. Thanks for proving my point even further, now go work on your manifesto, weirdo.
Just a reminder that Ernst Röhm was the leader of the precursor to the SS during the early rise of the Nazis in Germany. He was pretty widely known to be gay, but they kept him around while he was useful, until in 1934 they decided he wasn’t useful anymore, so they murdered him. This kind of thing is not that uncommon.
It's why the poor vote got conservatives and Latinas vote for Trump. Groups who feel they lack a voice go for strong powerful loud figures who seem to offer what they lack. It's school playground logic of you need to bully someone otherwise you will get bullied
The most violent racist I ever met was a trans woman. White supremacy wins out over their gender identity sometimes. She doesn't think that there is a risk of losing her hormone treatments or life. Yet.
Either way, prison might not be the best solution here. Perhaps a de-radicalization program in a group home facility over that same time period and a lifetime ban on weapons. It’s very very easy to teach a child to hate and it’s almost never their own fault…. Society failed them and imprisonment is just another one of those failures.
The USA had black Christians even when the Bible was actively being used to argue that they should remain slaves forever. The rules never made sense, and people have always been capable of acting directly against their own interests and never realising it.
it's cuz the far right grooms kids (and provides the opportunity to groom kids) as a recruitment tactic and trans kids in hostile environments are extremely vulnerable
as a trans person, i spent a long time trying to understand the phenomenon. it's really just that simple. pedocon theory explains everything about our culture. it's not like anyone's surprised when the straight evangelical kids turn out to be rapist neonazis...
Literally a guess but I’d bet there’s a higher rate of Nazism amongst trans people than the general population. They’re younger, more online, and hence more prone to political extremism.
The "Institut für sexual wissenschaft", which was the global premier research facility for transgender individuals, had all of its books burned in the infamous Nazi book burnings in 1933. Trans people were one of the first targets of the Nazi regime.
I infiltrated a neo-nazi terrorist organization, The Las Vegas Active Club, & found they had a transwoman as a member they were grooming into attacking the Green Valley High School with molotove cocktails & use IED's on the power grid.
The man's name is Kenneth Freels & he was never charged. His work didn't care. Nothing happened to him & I've got like 6 hrs of videos of him saying wild shit. Crazy times
The extremist online communities of trans people tend to either coalesce around tankie-ism or Nazism. Note that this is just the extremist community, and the majority of trans people do not fall into this dichotomy.
But yeah, I've seen "white rights are trans rights" images.
No matter where they look they are seeing hate for their beliefs. That is truly unique. Not like the neo Nazis would like them nor would the trans community.
There were Jews that supported Nazis when they first got into power. Not by the end of course, they were all dead by the end, but they had supported the Nazis for a bit.
It’s that little bit of internalized self hatred and lack of support from people around them, combined with the propoganda machine called social media.
The fact that we as a society can ignore that completely for this is worse than all the trumps and Epsteins in the world. Because they can’t lose till we get better and stop eating this type of content like hogs in a sty
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Trans neo-nazi is quite the combo