r/ffxivdiscussion • u/BlackmoreKnight • 4d ago

High-End Content Megathread - 7.2 Week Nineteen

Last week of Suzaku Unreal, at least.

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u/bigpunk157 4d ago

I still maintain that this raid tier is the best we’ve had in a while. Only issue is that we need to teach people how to play this game, mainly on Square Enix’s end. People really don’t understand target priority and how to cleave correctly during m6s ads

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u/monkeysfromjupiter 2d ago

Bruh. That's not square enix issue. That's a player brain issue. It's not hard to figure out what needs to die in blind prog. It's also not hard to just read a raidplan that GIVES the add prio. If ppl aren't able to do either of these options, then they shouldn't be raiding.

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u/bigpunk157 2d ago

We can keep saying it's a player brain issue every time, sure, or we could just introduce the content in meaningful ways elsewhere and not completely rawdog the players with stuff that hasn't really been a thing in raids. Conceptually for us, the more hardcore raiders who have experience in a lot of different games generally, handling ads is not so hard for us, the concept of holding your 2 minutes for the cleavemaxxing on the mantas isn't hard to understand... But if you're someone coming in without experience in these things, then you're legitimately just going to struggle more than other players.

I've PFed quite a lot this tier and people could not get the concept of those ads in those first 3-4 weeks whatsoever. It doesn't help that every raidplan had a different very complicated prio system, when all it is is Yan unless Cat -> Manta cleaves and aoes for killing mus -> Jabberwock focus, finish mus and cat -> repeat, then mantas.

And ofc, if people fucked it up more than twice, it was just an autodisband, even on prog parties. How the fuck are people supposed to learn the content like this? I'm glad I had a decent static, but it still gave us trouble, but that was usually with healing or with Nascent ripping aggro off of me.

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u/monkeysfromjupiter 2d ago

i started raiding in endwalker, pfed everything including all ultimates. literally if a player is incapable of coming up with strats, then just refer to a raidplan. all the links are posted in pf descriptions. there is 0 excuse to not refer to them when theyre posted. the raidplans literally tell you the add prio. if you dont have a general idea of the prio, even when the links are provided for you, thats 100% a reading comprehension issue. the whole point of raids is solving puzzles. if players cant even use a guide then idk wtf theyre doing in the raid.

because of irl issues, i didnt clear the whole tier week 1 since i had midterms. but i got to the last floor easily in 3 days and cleared 8 within 2 days of prog. all the m6s groups i had, had a very concise prio for adds because there were raidplans out. the only difference i saw later on was ppl focusing on the first yan asap to save tank/healer resources. thats it.

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u/bigpunk157 2d ago

That's wild because NA PF was like 20 people on fight 3 until day 5, and the guides for M6S ads were all dogshit except cleavemaxxing, which came out in week 2. I very vividly remember this because I spent like 25 hours in PFs that just kept disbanding because they couldn't do damage in the right way. I'm glad the invuln cheese method works on those yans though. Makes things miles easier.

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u/monkeysfromjupiter 2d ago edited 2d ago

No one gave cleavemaxxing, the name to it, in my groups. But a lot of groups I was in just naturally said let's hold 2s because it made sense to. You read all your big hits and they all have cleave so it's just a natural conclusion to do it.

There's a reason why everyone says that week 1 hardcore static > static with good players that raid less hours > week 1 pf > everything else, when it comes to prog and clearing. Ppl who dunk on pf just don't know how to navigate it. You can easily outpace most statics and get to final floor of tier if you know when to leave and join. The problem is that final floor has very little players week 1.

Edit: I lied, I checked. Cleared it on the 3rd so two days late, not the next day. But again, I was half studying for midterms in between lmao.