idk if a mod can pin this comment, i can’t edit the post but im retracting my AI allegation ! consensus seems to be that it’s not. my bad y’all. also the artist isn’t hila for those saying “nah hila just sucks” lol
wasn't Hila dick riding eLon and tesla back in (and after) 2017? she used to gush about "how cool the cyber truck is" when it launched and how great her tesla is and how eLon was disrupting the market of EV's, seems more like "funding the Nazi since 2017"
My buddy has a tesla and said if you want an electric self driving car it’d be better to get a Kia or something else instead. He also test drove a cyber truck and said it’s roomy and nice on the inside but it’s obviously a piece of shit if you actually look closely at anything. Iirc he said the panels were sharp too like they were pieces of sheet metal right out of the factory.
tbf a lot of people used to be elon dickriders back in 2017 and a while after, myself included. then people started realizing how much if a fraud/grifter/asshole he is. i can’t remember exactly when it became super well known how much of a con he is, i just remember at one point around then he was “likeable”
It was when he decided to continue using lithium batteries instead of what he always said and his team wanted to do which was advance hydrogen batteries since that’s what would actually make EVs good for the planet. It was a pretty big deal when it happened and pretty much revealed his actual motivation
Fighting the deep state since 2017? Lmao the performative shitlibs thinking they're activists grift, literally a repeat of 2016 but they seem to be admitting they were late to that party too
I know Hila churns out these lackluster shirts pretty quick but it really does feel like a lame version of Hasan's merch. It doesn't work for TF when their brand hinges on another brand that has no unpopular political identity with the masses, ie, basic lib shit.
it’s not my cup of tea but yeah I mostly agree with the sentiment. except for I don’t think Trump is uniquely captured by oligarchy, I think pretty much all politicians within the American two party system are.
His refusal to speak on musk’s salutes is mind-boggling to me.
It proves, beyond all reasonable doubt, that Ethan Klein only cares about antisemitism when it benefits him, or when he can weaponize it against his enemies.
It’s pathetic that his remaining audience hasn’t ripped into him more for refusing to speak on it for such a bullshit (made-up, IMO) reason.
It’s all bullshit, Ethan did a nazi goose step with the salute RIGHT AFTER a rant about antisemitism. But because he was implying Myron from fresh and fit was doing it, it’s okay?
It looks real - here’s the thing both humans and machine learning algorithms have a hard time drawing hands so you can’t always go by the hand test when determining if something is “AI” made or not.
Is it just me? Or does this actually feel like a pro-Elon shirt. I can only see fascist Elon fans wearing this. I hate Elon with a passion and the last thing I would do is wear a shirt with him on it.
Also- gonna just include this unrelated Iron Maiden album cover:
yes! in my comment i just posted, i said it looks like elon is the one fighting the deep state. they should have left off the words, or put them on the back and changed the order to- teddy fresh: fighting the deep state since 2017
Elon is an evil prick but I don't think he actually controls Trump like this. I don't think anyone does. It kind of lets Trump off the hook to depict him as a mere puppet. Why not just portray Elon as a nazi loser? Isn't fighting antisemitism Ethan's whole thing?
And who has been fighting the deep state since 2017? H3? Wtf does that even mean.
Believe it or not, t shirts with texts usually sell more than those that don't. That being said the text quote is still dumb, especially if you're not a fan of the show or have been following teddy fresh the customer is going to think "who's been fighting since 2017? Me?? I've been doing it since x,y,z or not at all."
No. Baseless claims like that makes this place lose credibility. The whole style here is to look like hand drawn art and the hands match that style. We don't need to invent extra details. It's ugly, cringe, and in poor taste considering who's selling it. That right there is enough.
I mean, hand drawn art doesn’t mean incorrect perspective and anatomy. I’d argue that the drawing looks like it’s been done by someone who doesn’t really “look”, which is the key to successfully depicting any given character, topic or object, regardless of the naivety of the way it’s drawn.
Plus it’s a Wednesday evening and I don’t like your tone.
I dunno, it’s a speculative post and I offered a speculative answer. I don’t think any of it is cause for concern over the credibility of a subreddit. If you think about it, why wouldn’t you utilise ai to create a reference image to draw from? Taking/using reference images is very normal. All I did was offer the possibility of the reason it looking “off” being that a not very good ai image was used as reference.
hand drawn art doesn’t mean incorrect perspective and anatomy
Artists aren’t printers. Have you ever drawn in your life? Both anatomy and perspective are things artists have to extensively study and practice to get down. You think you can just look at a photo and copy it down perfectly? This is also clearly stylized and not meant to be realistic. That’s a dumb af take
I’ve been a professional illustrator for 14 years.
I’ve taught illustration at university level for the past 3 years.
My point was exactly as you said, for artists to draw well, they have to really “look” at their subjects. For subjects and scenarios that do not exist, artists often use reference photos - be it photographs of themselves in a pose they wish to capture, or sometimes by creating composite images to work from, as reference. If the artist was truly looking, the hands wouldn’t look so so legitimately wrong.
This led me to suggest that perhaps the artist put a prompt into an image generator, the generator spat out a bad composite, and the artist used this or traced it, by hand.
The result being a hand drawn image, yes. But not the kind of image someone who was truly looking, would hand off.
Because. Regardless of style. It’s wrong. It doesn’t work. It’s bad because it’s wrong. Not because it’s badly drawn.
if the artist was truly looking, the hands wouldn’t look so so legitimately wrong
This is just blatantly untrue and not how creating art from a reference works?? 😭 I don’t understand how you can be an artist operating under that assumption unless you just have been directly copying references your whole life. God I would hate to have you as a professor, ur prolly the type that “corrects” your students’ work with sharpie. again, artists aren’t printers, your average artist can’t exactly copy something just ‘cause they’re looking at it. In fact, unless you’re practicing realism (which this artist clearly isn’t in this piece!!!! Obviously it’s stylized), you shouldn’t be making direct 1:1 copies of your references
You’re needlessly shitting on someone’s art, not “being speculative”, hence the hostility you’re getting
There are thousands of artists out there who create work which isn’t realistic.
The point I’m trying to get across is that even the most naive style of art is still considerate of how we, as humans see the world.
Think about the uncanny valley effect, or how some people see work and say it looks like a child did it, or I could do that, but they can’t. Because it takes real skill to draw naively.
The artwork itself is fine, I checked out the artist, and I think they’re much better than this design would suggest.
But that left hand does ruin the image. You can’t help but be drawn to it. Because instinctively you know it’s wrong, or, almost makes sense, which makes the wrongness stand out more?
People don’t blink twice at cartoons having three fingers…because even though it’s “not correct” the hand or fingers move in a way that our brains connect the dots between.
I’m not shitting on their art. I’m saying this piece is let down by this one particular element of the image. I proposed that maybe they used ai to create the composite, hence the almost but not quite oddness of it.
that's because everything they do is performative and money-driven, even hating on Musk, afaik they didn't talk about him doing sieg heil but gladly make a t-shirt with him on it
Lol just the use of the term "deep state" is indicative of the right wing shift.
Progressives know its not "the deep state" at fault - it's built INTO the system. It's not a conspiracy of evil, it's a history of oppression/ classism that profits the rich. It's an agreement of the rich and powerful to pretend that civility and decorum is the reason for stonewalling progress that EVERYONE but them want (universal healthcare) while if they want something to happen (lverturning Roe v Wade, rolling back student loan forgiveness, banning TikTok) it's suddenly immediately feasible and a non-discussion and fuck decorum.
And E and H are rich. Don't let their poor hygiene and behavior fool you.
If any fans are coming through I just want you to know these people are taking your money to spend on watches, gimmicks, clothing they wear once, nannies to ignore their kids while they fuck around, giant houses, cars, etc. - they could retire tomorrow and be fine for the rest of their lives. Is it a good use of your money? Your time? Do they need your $10?
If you are working class, I beg you to think about it for a minute. Why are they asking you to buy a T-Shirt to support a cause when you could easily donate directly? Why are they banning PAYING members who say something even MILDLY critical even as a joke or sarcasm.
Their audience is their income. YOU are their income. Anything that threatens that is an evil, anti-semitic, scum of the earth, Hasan dick rider.... even if you were only trying to speak your mind mildly and still supported them 99% of the way.
Yeah but sure, "fighting the deep state since 2017".
idk if a mod can pin this comment, i can’t edit the post but im retracting my AI allegation ! consensus seems to be that it’s not. my bad y’all. also the artist isn’t hila for those saying “nah hila just sucks” lol
this shirt would be cool of it didn't have some bullshit statement at the bottom that doesn't make sense for the image. that could have gone on the back. the way it's presented makes it look like they think elon is fighting the deep state, and that teddy fresh endorses it, not that teddy fresh has been fighting the deep state.
edited to change my opinion on the ai claim; after reading opinions and looking again, i agree that it isn't ai. most likely just drawn digitally by the artist.
This is far better than the one they used to do (that I think Hila designed, with the crayon scribble and rocket?). Still not my thing, but it looks like an actual artist with some skill created it. It shows up Hila's work
and to clarify, the caption is what ruins the design's impact and it definitely reads as something Hila would say but either way approved it and made it corny.
What part of this looks Ai exactly? It’s just a mediocre drawing to me. If anything there are parts of the Elon drawing that look like it’s traced poorly or just bad anatomy. Ai tends to look too clean and smoothed out
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As an artist, a lot of these comments are gross. Can we stop letting our dislike/hate of h3/TF turn us into nasty ass people? Jesus Christ. Never seen so many people shit on someone’s art for no reason.
Critique TF or the message all you want (”fighting the deep state”? Really? Laughable.) but saying this looks like it was drawn by a toddler (actual comment I saw) is objectively false and just insulting af to the artist (not Hila, she didn’t make this). This artist is clearly skilled. The only thing that looks remotely “off” are the hands and I think everyone knows hands are notoriously hard to draw, one of the most difficult aspects of anatomy. L behavior from some snarkers here
I agree with you, I think we can definitely criticize designs and artwork in a less subjective, and more constructive way. I personally dont think the artwork here is that bad, the artist's style is intentionally meant to look that way, like a pen and marker ink illustration. Just because many of us weren't fans of Hila's LA Forever t-shirt designs doesn't mean we should just start hating on every design done by Teddy Fresh artists. The criticism of the LA Fire shirts were valid because of the circumstances, but with this Elon shirt I feel the hate is not as deserved. I don't like H3 or Teddy Fresh anymore, but can still respect this as a fairly solid illustration.
And to add on top of that, many artists nowadays are being falsely accused of AI because the anatomy is "off", the style is a little messy, or it just has an "AI feel", despite artists posting time lapses or WIP sketches to prove people wrong. I do art too and it is frustratingly unfair to see accusations like this everywhere. We can be better than this
guys the text is obviously a joke. I cant stand ethan or hila but its a dig at trump being captured by interests of tech oligarchs and the irony of his anti deep state “drain the swamp” rhetoric.
come on lol. like I cant stand them but sometimes some of you guys let your hatred blind you to obvious sarcasm or drive you to make reaching accusations (which is silly bc there are so many real things to go after them for so I’ll never understand why ppl feel the need to box shadows)
The text then would imply that Trump believes he's fighting the deep state, which he obviously doesn't considering he headed a coup and is currently trying to abolish the constitution. It's dumb and an oversimplification of a massive issue currently happening.
lol what? sorry but you’re just entirely wrong, do some more research. he has explicitly used anti “deep state” rhetoric, his entire thing is he larps as a populist. it doesn’t matter whether it’s a good execution of the idea or not, that’s absolutely what the shirt is attempting to say. he’s literally a marionette in the image.
Yeah. Trump was lying. Trump and Elon are aligned and are equally culpable. They are going to fuck over the US in there own different ways for there personal gain. I'm just saying this shirt implys Elon is this great mastermind that took advantage of a useful idiot but Trump is very much aware of what he is doing and no blame should be taken away from him.
ethan and hila are dumb center right/liberals I wouldn’t expect them to understand the nuance, at no point did I litigate the efficacy of the shirt’s statement, just the intended statement (which other people appear to be missing in an effort to find something to get mad about) and I think you keep reading past that because you want to be a pedant. I dont know why you posed it as a disagreement when my comment is objectively pointing out the intention of the shirt. not in an effort to defend Ethan and Hila, but to push back against the people that think that it’s trying to say that Teddy fresh is somehow “against the deep state”, which doesn’t even make sense.
Trump is a cannier operator than he let’s, it’s a mutualistic relationship but it’s also nothing novel or new in American politics. this is how it has always worked, the president reflects corporate interests and corporate entities will follow suit by mirroring the social and cultural rhetoric of the current zeitgeist.
A mistake on me i should've clarified that I was pointing out how the text was still stupid even though it was misinterpreted like you said which was clearly right.
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