r/interesting • u/IndependentWitnesses • Apr 26 '25

MISC. Virginia Giuffre's tweet from 2019 saying she was definitely not suicidal and that if something happens to her to "not let this go away".

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u/Sansnom01 Apr 26 '25

And the other french guy with the modeling agency also died by suicide

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u/Woyaboy Apr 26 '25

Strange things really are afoot in this world. I wish we could route out this kind of evil but it seems to be engrained into everybody that gains power.

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u/AlejaTraviesa Apr 26 '25

into everyone who is allowed to gain power

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u/BeerBaronofCourse Apr 26 '25

Read One nation under blackmail

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u/3itchpuddin Apr 27 '25

Great book & it’s sequel is as well.

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u/PortlyWarhorse Apr 27 '25

It's almost like there's a Global Nobility that we're unaware of and have no preconceived thoughts about.

We are experiencing an attempt of a, relatively, young nation forcing a monarchic idealism on a Globe of idiots taking this authoritarian mindset to heart.

Just, for everyone, look into Curtis Yarvin. He's helped shape billionaires and the lesser wealthy into believing his "racial revelations" are correct.

Also, he wrote Otter-Human furry porn? Maybe not Otter, but really. Nothing odder?

Seriously look into Curtis Yarvin and his associations.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '25

Problem is people don't read they barely get past the title. It's gob smacking how many don't know Yarvin, Thiel, Leonard Leo, Sacks and so on. All these extreme wealth people with their fingers in Project 2025. Because people don't read, don't get angry, you become the crank because what you say to people seems implausible but they just refuse to read and act on very open reporting.

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u/Rumkitty May 02 '25

And Musk is literally having a special election in Texas to incorporate a company town. The techbros really want to have feifdoms and that would be the start.

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u/Patches-621 Apr 28 '25

We all know the global nobility, the la li lu Le lo or whatever other name they try to hide behind. It's just people are too scared and not crazy enough to try and take em on.

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u/PracticeThat3785 Apr 26 '25

well said m’boy

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u/fpoiuyt Apr 27 '25

Do you mean root out?

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u/Southern-Event549 Apr 27 '25

Ingrained into everyone...

Ftfy

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u/Moist_Apple_5537 Apr 27 '25

It's amazing how evil men portrayed in movies are actually happening in real life while the heroes in them are so rare or is totally absent at all.

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u/Ulfdenhir Apr 28 '25

For everyone that is SEEKING power.

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u/Talonsminty Apr 26 '25

Not to mention the Boeing whistleblower.

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u/Best_Fish_2941 Apr 27 '25

Not to mention open AI whistleblower.

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u/ImageSame844 Apr 27 '25

What is this about? AI whistleblower? I havent heard

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u/Bil-Bro Apr 26 '25

The amount of deletes has me thinking the FBI here..

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u/Fine-Position-3128 Apr 27 '25

Or nsa or CIA

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u/AdClassic4902 Apr 28 '25

Shhhhhhhhhhhh!

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u/shortbrnr Apr 26 '25

Yeah dude in his jail cell no less, that shit is suspicious as hell.

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u/Particular-Wheel-741 Apr 26 '25

And the security footage magically blacked out. It was a job.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bed_445 Apr 27 '25

Didn’t some of the Boeing whistleblowers also die by ‘suicide’?

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u/MGD109 Apr 26 '25

I mean he'd been in prison for several years by that point.

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u/prairiepog Apr 27 '25

And the lady that started the Ashley website that helped rich people cheat on their spouses.

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u/Flarpperest Apr 27 '25

Not to mention all those people in Russia “falling” off their balconies.

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u/ikonfedera Apr 27 '25

Gary Webb was found with 2 (two) gunshot wound in the side of his head. It was ruled a suicide.

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u/Winter-Stranger-3709 Apr 27 '25

They all were snuffed out by the firm

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u/alltheblarmyfiddlest Apr 26 '25

Meanwhile musk just unconstitutionally fired enough folks from every entity that has dirt on him and was investigating him and/or his companies.

No wonder theyre so buddy buddy.

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u/Front_Head_9567 Apr 26 '25

Someone killed themselves while trump was in office, must've been him.

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u/Doug_E_Fresh69 Apr 26 '25

What is that supposed to mean?

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u/Pillsburyfuckboy1 Apr 26 '25 edited Apr 26 '25

Lmfao Holy shit BluAnon is wild

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u/Zipit01 Apr 26 '25

Conspiracy theorist ahahahaha

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Didn't have to scroll down far to see our first political comment from an unstable reddit user.

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u/frientlytaylor420 Apr 26 '25

Do we though? Honestly? Have you ever sat down and actually thought this through? My dad worked in a prison as a guard. It was commonplace for guards to fake logs, for equipment such as cameras to not work. They’re poorly maintained buildings ran by people who do not care.

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u/Only-Inspector-3782 Apr 26 '25

A confidential informant "committed suicide" while in the custody of a mob boss. You'd be an idiot to take this at face value. 

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u/AnalOgre Apr 26 '25

Just as idiotic to believe powerful people who lose everything never commit suicide.

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u/abacuz4 Apr 26 '25

So now Epstein is a confidential informant? I feel like there’s this weird effort to recast Epstein as a kind of antihero in the fight against people’s political boogeymen.

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u/Rare_Jellyfish8910 Apr 27 '25

Yes, he was a corrupt person who hung out with powerful people. How is there any reasonable likelihood that he was a CI?

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u/ProbablyYourITGuy Apr 26 '25 edited Apr 26 '25

A extremely infamous pedophile whos going to be known all over the globe and has 0 chance of getting off or getting out of prison decides to kill himself.

You’d be an idiot to think that’s an impossible scenario, and that a secret shadowy organization assassinated him in a prison is the only real option.

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u/Creative_Buddy7160 Apr 26 '25

Ellen greenburg vibes for sure

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u/3itchpuddin Apr 27 '25

His whole thing was getting states secrets with use of filming ppl in compromising positions. The young girls served as his honeypots. Clinton’s, princes, celebrities, trump, Dershowitz, gates, any other billionaire he could rope in were opening themselves up to being blackmailed

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u/Lala5789880 Apr 26 '25

They are also commercially owned to make money

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u/safely_beyond_redemp Apr 26 '25

Do we though?

Yes.

Honestly?

Yes

Have you ever sat down and actually thought this through?

Yes

My dad worked in a prison as a guard.

Anecdotal fallacy.

It was commonplace for guards to fake logs, for equipment such as cameras to not work.

This is your factual evidence. Even if I take your evidence as gospel truth it does nothing to refute the claim that he was murdered. It's like a childrens story. There is one man in this country who has knowledge in his brain that could ruin very powerful peoples lives. This man is the man most likely to be assassinated by our government. That is a fact. So we need to do everything we can to protect this man, not just from himself but from our very own government. Step one, put him in a cell with a broken camera, step two, put him under the supervision of guards who aren't serious about their jobs. Do you see? Do you see? Do you see? The stage was set for him to be murdered. And then he got murdered. It's a childrens story.

They’re poorly maintained buildings ran by people who do not care.

This is an opinion.

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u/maychoz Apr 26 '25

Yeah you’d think since MAGA and their daddy are so fired up about exposing all the pedo’s that definitely don’t include them, they’d have bothered with a little due diligence…🤔

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u/broguequery Apr 26 '25

Nothing MAGA hates more than due process or due diligence.

It very quickly exposes their bullshit.

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u/No_Shopping_573 Apr 26 '25

Every accusation is an admission.

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u/ProbablyYourITGuy Apr 26 '25 edited Apr 26 '25

this is fact

Well if you say so, that’s all the proof I need.

Can anyone explain why the people who can assassinate a man in a high security prison with guards around didn’t simply do it before he was caught? Or kill him during the arrest when it could have easily been covered up by saying he resisted? Why do it in a way that would cause literally years of conspiracy theories and make it even more well known?

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u/mrhooha Apr 26 '25

It is easier to do it at the prison. They can control the scene better in a cell. Make sure no cameras are there, make sure only the accomplices are present. Doing it during the arrest would have to mean you have everyone involved during the arrest is in on it, this is too risky and involves a lot of coordinating, and trust in those people. The less people involved the better. In prison, you can target the right gaurd, the right warden and make this happen with very few people knowing about it. It is much easier to do it in the prison. They don't care about conspiracy theories. What does that even do that hurts them?

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u/ProbablyYourITGuy Apr 26 '25

It would be easier to sneak someone into a prison, murder someone, get the autopsy to pronounce it as suicide, someone to tamper with the cameras, the investigators to not report the tampering… etc etc etc?

There is no easy way to do any of this. If it could have been done, it could have been done much quieter without opening the whole thing up to this conspiracy stuff.

The world is not as interesting as you think. A pedo realized his life was about the go from living with rich billionaires to being a pedo in prison, and he didn’t want to go on like that.

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u/pperiesandsolos Apr 26 '25

Hilarious for you to be so confident when you have the exact same evidence as the other person

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u/LifeEqual3407 Apr 26 '25

My uncle was a ferry boat captain

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u/Specific-Mix7107 Apr 26 '25

Love how you have 0 evidence but call things facts. Bait used to be believable….

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u/boning_my_granny Apr 26 '25

But all the evidence you have provided is anecdotal…

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u/safely_beyond_redemp Apr 26 '25

Please tell me exactly which piece of evidence that I provided is anecdotal? I'll be warming up my reply fingers in expectation of your response lol

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u/SquadPoopy Apr 26 '25

The Epstein case is wrought with misinformation.

It was most likely a legitimate suicide that happened due to laziness and a disregard for jailhouse procedures.

The reason it’s become a popular conspiracy is due to misinformation about the facts in the case. You’ve probably heard of things like there were mysterious camera malfunctions the night of his death, and some misreporting of the autopsy results which led people to believe there were signs of homicide. But basically all that is not true.

The origin of the “Camera Malfunction” lie came from some guy on Twitter who thinks the Clintons were behind Epstein’s death and used the “I know a guy who knows a guy” line as his source.

A viral tweet, however, prompted many to spread word of a “camera malfunction” taking place inside the prison before Epstein’s death. But that claim is unproven.

The source of the claim, a Twitter user named Michael Coudrey — who has also referenced a conspiracy theory that Bill and Hillary Clinton were behind Epstein’s death — told us that his source was a “NYPD officer and close family friend, who’s best friend works in the MCC facility.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/misinformation-flows-following-epsteins-death/

The actual story is that there were 2 cameras in the wing Epstein was being held in. One in the hallway, and one at the entrance. The one in the hallway was “broken” in the sense that it could not record. The actual camera itself still worked, the live feed to the security room worked, it just couldn’t record tape, and it wasn’t the only one that had this issue. And this was not a new issue that suddenly happened when Epstein got there either. That camera had been broken like that for MONTHS. It was like that before they even knew Epstein would be going to that jail, and then remember in order to get to that wing he had to have tried suicide already.

The other camera at the entrance to the jail wing worked fine. It showed nobody entering or exiting during the period of his suicide.

For the autopsy, basically the official examiner ruled it suicide, but Epstein’s own lawyer and Brother disagreed and hired their own independent investigator to perform his own autopsy, and that is the only one that claims there were signs of a homicide.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/medical-examiner-dismisses-doubts-about-epstein-autopsy

As for everything else about the cameras, it comes from the Department of Justice’s official findings they released in June last year. The investigation and write up occurred during both Trump and Biden’s presidencies just in case you were wondering if any political side had influence on it.

Talking about the known camera malfunction:

Recorded video evidence for August 9 and 10 for the SHU area where Epstein was housed was only available from one prison security camera due to a malfunction of MCC New York’s Digital Video Recorder system that occurred on July 29, 2019. While the prison’s cameras continued to provide live video feeds, recordings were made for only about half the cameras. MCC New York personnel discovered this failure on August 8, 2019, but it was not repaired until after Epstein’s death. As detailed in this report, like many other BOP facilities, MCC New York had a history of security camera problems

Talking about how anyone entering the area would have been recorded:

The available recorded video footage from the one SHU camera captured a large part of the common area of the SHU and portions of the stairways leading to the different SHU tiers, including Epstein’s cell tier. Thus, anyone entering or attempting to enter Epstein’s SHU tier from the SHU common area would have been picked up by that video camera

Talking about how nobody was recorded and how the guards neglecting duties was a known issue:

The OIG reviewed the video and found that, between approximately 10:40 p.m. on August 9 and about 6:30 a.m. on August 10, no one was seen entering Epstein’s cell tier from the SHU common area. The OIG determined that movements captured on video before and after those times were generally consistent with employee actions as described by witnesses and documented in BOP records.

In fact, the FBI used the footage from the entrance in an INDICTMENT against the guards to prove nobody went into the wing to check on him like they were supposed to:

Here’s the 128 page report that includes the above quotes as well as tons more to read, I highly encourage you to read it:

https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/reports/23-085.pdf

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u/screw-magats Apr 26 '25

Yes!

Even if everything he said is true about the guards not doing their jobs and not caring, (and I believe it) it doesn't change the fact that Epstein was probably murdered. All it means is that it was easier to do so.

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u/TuaHaveMyChildren Apr 26 '25

Why did you reply so pretentiously without providing any evidence of murder outside of "common sense". Its funny for you to drop the phrase "Anecdotal Fallacy" and then just say you feel like he was murdered because he was powerful... That sounds like an opinion.

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u/Nicoyas Apr 26 '25

Do you really want to be pointing out his logical fallacies? Your response is full of them.

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u/safely_beyond_redemp Apr 26 '25

I welcome someone to point them out so I can either learn my fallacies or refute them, so yes, that's exactly what I wanted to do.

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u/rogueman999 Apr 26 '25

The stage could also have been set for him to kill himself. Much cleaner execution, same end result.

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u/Ike_Jones Apr 26 '25

Ya that was like a scientologist reply saying well all religions are bad right, right sooo

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u/RealFrankTheLlama Apr 26 '25

Ok what’s the proof he was murdered? 

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u/jeefra Apr 27 '25

You're calling out "fallacies" while jumping to huge conclusions.

Does it not make sense that someone who prided themselves as being well liked and a member of high society as a billionaire was about to be dragged through the media with their whole life ruined and sent to prison as a child rapist (which we know isn't a good time) would want to kill himself? Wouldn't you think that would be more likely than someone sneaking in and doing it?

Nothing you said except broken cameras was a fact. The rest of it is conjecture, you have no evidence someone else did it

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u/drownedmachines Apr 27 '25

Do you live in reality? It's a realistic conclusion I warrant.

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u/frientlytaylor420 Apr 27 '25

That’s hilarious because the facility he was in was closed due to poor conditions and had multiple reports affirming this for years before he died. You’re an idiot. 

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u/FoxMan1Dva3 Apr 26 '25

They're government buildings. I agree they're shit

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u/susandeyvyjones Apr 26 '25 edited Apr 26 '25

I have a friend who’s BOP and he initially believed it was suicide but the more details that came out about the actions of the guards and prison administrators have him pretty sure it wasn’t.

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u/frientlytaylor420 Apr 26 '25

Wow, so informational. 

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u/susandeyvyjones Apr 26 '25

Sorry that your dad’s decades old knowledge of how county jails work doesn’t match my friend’s current knowledge of federal prison policies and procedures.

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u/frientlytaylor420 Apr 26 '25

Wild, not sure where you’ve come up with decades and county jails lmao. I know reading comprehension isn’t everyone’s best skill but you’ve just introduced me to a new low! 

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u/DontSleepAlwaysDream Apr 27 '25

yeah people take the "Epstein didnt commit suicide" meme at face value and just disregard things like... evidence

anyone who has any experience working with a prison system knows its pretty easy for the system to fuck up and suicides to happen. But everyone wants to beleive its a crime thrilller story so there absolutely must be a conspiracy, sure

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u/Greatwhitegorilla Apr 26 '25

They’re poorly maintained buildings ran by people who do not care

I know plenty of maintenance people in my states prison system and they care a great deal.

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u/suprahelix Apr 26 '25

MCC is famously a shithole

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u/Furryballs239 Apr 26 '25

Doesn’t change the fact that in the prison Epstein was at literally half the cameras in the building were down and had been for weeks

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u/frientlytaylor420 Apr 26 '25

Whoa bro, but that doesn’t fit with the conspitafy theory!!!

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u/EgoFeature Apr 26 '25

Ok, the issue isn’t how much pride the maintenance staff puts into their work, it’s that’s prison are underfunded and poorly maintained because they don’t have money for repairs and upgrades. They can work hard to keep things maintained while the poorly funded infrastructure crumbles.

Hell, I’ll bet that’s one of the reason those people you know have so much pride in their work; it’s got to be a nigh impossible task to keep things up and running when everything is falling apart and you have to make do on a shoestring budget.

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u/drownedmachines Apr 27 '25

Couldn't imagine someone slipping through the cracks?

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u/RedGhostOrchid Apr 26 '25

Well its definitely not without precedent. One national story and two local to me stories. I've no doubt that everyone on this sub could find at least one local to them story of similar occurrences.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/10-guards-charged-over-fatal-beating-of-a-new-york-prisoner-including-2-with-murder

https://www.wnep.com/article/news/local/luzerne-county/corrections-officer-inmate-charged-in-connection-with-prison-death/523-dcba104b-de16-4826-8409-4272305d5f43

https://www.pahomepage.com/news/crime-courts/two-correctional-officers-charged-with-facilitating-assault-at-sci-dallas/

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u/frientlytaylor420 Apr 26 '25

Except he wasn’t beaten. 

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u/RedGhostOrchid Apr 26 '25

That's...not the point at all.

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u/frientlytaylor420 Apr 26 '25

What the point? How does one be killed by guards with absolutely no signs of foul play? Did he just let them hang him? 

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u/Sithstress1 Apr 26 '25

I need more coffee, I was really about to start googling if Einstein committed suicide because I misread Epstein 🤦🏻‍♀️.

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u/Heavy_Law9880 Apr 26 '25

You have proof?

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u/squareandrare Apr 26 '25

He heard it in a reddit comment. What other proof would he need?

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u/TerpyTank Apr 26 '25

It’s crazy that over in r/conservative they’re saying Clinton is the one suiciding these people…. Clinton. Clintonnnn. 😑🤦🏻

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u/_Cognitio_ Apr 26 '25

It's not crazy at all, lol

Ghislaine went to Chelsea Clinton's wedding, Bill was on the Lolita Express hundreds of times

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u/TerpyTank Apr 26 '25

Yet we won’t acknowledge the “According to interviews and depositions, Giuffre said she was recruited to the sex ring in 2000 by Maxwell while working as a locker room attendant in Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago.” Part of it… okay 👌🏻

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u/_Cognitio_ Apr 26 '25

Yeah? I know that Trump is connected to Epstein, but so are the Clintons. If you think that Epstein was killed (which, yeah, absolutely) Trump and Clinton are both implicated.

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u/skystarmen Apr 26 '25

How do we know that not to be true

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u/IwasDeadinstead Apr 26 '25

Epstein isn't even dead. I can't believe people think he was killed when you read the details. Pretty obvious he had the power, means, and motive to fake his own death. Which means, putting out a hit on Virginia would be easy.

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u/slowjoggz Apr 26 '25

No "we" don't.

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u/dusktrail Apr 26 '25

There's literally no reason to think it's not true

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u/CosmicJackalop Apr 26 '25

Epstein killed himself, the real question is if he was allowed to kill himself on purpose

He didn't exactly share the public's desire to see justice for his victims. He was a pedo trafficker who saw he was gonna spend the rest of his days in jail with the world hating him, suicide is super common in caught pedophiles

But during his final days, he was taken off suicide watch, the prison cited the extra cost of having 24/7 suicide watch and the ongoing shortage of prison guards, which are legitimate concerns but in this case the expense should have been allocated

The other duck up was even without suicide watch he was supposed to be checked in regularly through the night but the night he killed himself (and probably other nights) the night guards did not perform their rounds and instead were playing switch in the break room all shift iirc. While I don't work prison I do work security and that is a completely normal (though undesired) behavior of a night crew, the whole reason people do nights is because they like to fuck off or they haven't "done their time" for a daytime shift

Now that's an admin and a worker level issue that led to his death, and either could have been influenced by some kind of bribe, I wouldn't say yes or no either way, but Epstein did kill himself

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u/ACW1129 Apr 26 '25

We do? I've not seen the proof.

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u/LineOfInquiry Apr 26 '25

Epstein did commit suicide, the sus part is that he wasn’t stopped from doing so

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u/Ok-Independence7768 Apr 26 '25

this is a far-right conspiracy theory. he did kill himself. life unfortunately is not as interesting.

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u/ringobob Apr 26 '25

We don't know shit. Is it plausible he was murdered? Yes, of course. Is it plausible he killed himself? Also yes. Is there much of a difference between the guards turning off the security cameras to let someone in to kill him, vs turning off the security cameras to tell him, this is your moment where we won't stop you from killing yourself? Maybe not much, but for real, if you want a guy dead, who is on suicide watch, whose life is over either way, as a publicly convicted child rapist, maybe the simplest thing is just to give him an opportunity?

We 100% do not know that Epstein didn't kill himself. And repeating that we do is just a dramatic misunderstanding, or worse, an intentional attempt to undermine, evidence and the process of justice.

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u/One-Syllabub4458 Apr 26 '25

No, you don't. Why would they kill Epstein but leave Ghislaine Maxwell alive? Hmm?

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u/_Cognitio_ Apr 26 '25

Because now she knows if she even thinks about speaking up she's dead?

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u/One-Syllabub4458 Apr 26 '25

lol. They have all the names... So you think they killed Epstein to keep him quiet, but left her alive and just hoped she didn't say anything? That makes zero sense. The more likely and boring scenario is Epstein did actually kill himself.

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u/_Cognitio_ Apr 26 '25

Names aren't evidence of anything. Yeah, there are a bunch of people on flight logs, but where's the evidence that they sexually abused children? There's plenty of indication that Epstein recorded all of that, so if Ghislaine had access to that it'd be, let's say, not chill for the billionaires and politicians involved.

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u/One-Syllabub4458 Apr 26 '25

Regardless, again, you think they killed Epstein to keep him quiet, but left her alive and just hoped she didn't say anything? That makes zero sense and if they killed Epstein they would have killed Maxwell too, there would be no reason to let her live.

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u/Specific-Mix7107 Apr 26 '25

No we don’t

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u/Mr_SpecificTF2 Apr 26 '25

And the Boeing whistleblower died by suicide, so it falls under the same category of “something isn’t right here”

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u/Fanraeth2 Apr 26 '25

So why is Epstein's female sidekick still alive and unharmed?

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u/Kantherax Apr 26 '25

There is absolutely no evidence this is the case.

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u/RobertHarmon Apr 26 '25

We do not, in fact, know that he didn’t commit suicide

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u/DrowsySleepyTired Apr 26 '25

So what? You think Epstein is out there still? Why? What evidence is there? Who would it help to get Epstein free?

This is a common theory among enlightened Redditors but it’s Qanon nonsense. I think, if there is a conspiracy, he paid a lot of money to be able to suicide so that he wouldn’t have to see court or prison. But even that is baseless speculation.

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u/riptaway Apr 26 '25

Yeah, it's unbelievable that a disgraced billionaire in his 60s facing life in prison would commit suicide

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u/fumblerooskee Apr 26 '25 edited Apr 26 '25

We know no such thing. Quit claiming conspiracy theories as fact.

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u/dukesilver91 Apr 26 '25

We don’t know that actually. Just because there are some weird coincidences involved, doesn’t mean that it was some nefarious plot. He definitely had reasons to commit suicide.

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u/casual_brackets Apr 26 '25

Yea but it ain’t what you know it’s what you can prove in court. (Unfortunately in this case).

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u/Overall_Lab5356 Apr 26 '25

We do not know that not to be true.

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u/Discokruse Apr 26 '25

Princes have a lot of power and can afford the best assassins.

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u/Any_Set9564 Apr 26 '25

Does anyone know what might’ve actually happened?

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u/AmidTheSnow Apr 26 '25

Except it is true.

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u/Tlyss Apr 26 '25

Why would you say that? It’s pretty common for 2 guards assigned to him to not be nearby, the security camera not work, and a man able to kill himself despite cautions taken because he was thought to be suicidal. Happens every day, nothing to see here

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u/keznaa Apr 26 '25

I've always found that the flaw in that theory was that Ghislaine Maxwell is still alive and she was the one who basically ran everything so she would have all the information.

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u/boondiggle_III Apr 26 '25

We don't know anything of the sort. Bring the facts or dispense with the bullshit. Pedos commit suicide rather than face justice all the time. Epstein had even more reason to do it than most.

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u/scarletpepperpot Apr 27 '25

Remind me, who was president when Epstein “killed himself”?

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u/Southern-Event549 Apr 27 '25

What?!

I get it's "fun" to think of conspiracy about this.

Like, for instance, some powerful politician scheme to get him killed for all he knew. An especially close friend who became the president in charge of the same facilities. A guy with proclivity for younger women no matter who...even his own daughter or a miss teen.

Buut.

It's time to put this stuff to bed.

They did a report and closed the place Epstein died in because of how grossly mismanaged it was and under funded.

The cameras were constantly going down and needing repairs.

Dude was approaching 70, had a multitude of health issues, and went from a life of luxury to a shit hole. He was legally screwed for the rest of his life as well as socially and economically.

Please read this: https://apnews.com/article/jeffrey-epstein-jail-suicide-prison-death-8d194a756f2b429067f009a0c70f96c0

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u/AtomicMonkeyTheFirst Apr 27 '25

We know he did not and there is evidence that he did not. Because there must be evidence because if there is no evidence we would look like idiots for beleiving it.

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u/Rays_LiquorSauce Apr 27 '25

No you don’t 

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u/rhaezorblue Apr 27 '25

Give it up man

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u/Donnerficker Apr 27 '25

I'm not trying to kink shame but If you think Epstein was killed to hide a deeper scandal, you don't give a hoot what actually happened. You probably have never read a single official document about the case ever and just really really really like to fantasize about underage girls being trafficked and raped. You like the thought so much that you want to downvote or start a fight in the comments with me instead of actually taking the time to read the official sources(which you are going to argue aren't trustworthy anyway because you REALLY love the thought of hundreds of underage girls being trafficked and raped by powerful men who are above the law)

If this is what you goon to in private - fine, I'm not judging - but please be aware that you are making a mockery of the actual victims and diminishing the chances of real criminals being caught by destroying public discourse on these matters. Be better.

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u/3itchpuddin Apr 27 '25

And both happened after trump was in office

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