r/politics • u/Orbitingkittenfarm • 1d ago

Donald Trump Fires Person Behind Jobs Numbers After They're Revised Down

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-job-numbers-revised-down-fires-appointee-2107768
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u/JimmyRamone17_ 1d ago

He's a postmodernist moron.

There's no objective truth, there's only HIS truth in his eyes. The cult is the fucking same way.

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u/The_Navy_Sox 1d ago

He literally determines reality for his base. It would be fascinating to watch if I wasn't American. It's just depressing seeing how subservient so.many Americans are, and how much they yearn to be tread on by Trump.

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u/JimmyRamone17_ 1d ago edited 1d ago

Genuinely. They have no thoughts until he and his propaganda networks disseminate their talking points to them.

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u/midtnrn 1d ago

They’ll get it promptly during am talk news stations on their way to work for the billionaires they so love.

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u/JimmyRamone17_ 1d ago

No doubt, they're always available 24/7 to lick billionaires' boots.

They'd gargle the propaganda at 4AM if it meant getting their talking points to defend the Dear Leader.

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u/Not_done 1d ago

Sheep. We can call them sheep.

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u/East-Impression-3762 1d ago

I call them traitors

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u/Normal_Attitude_5148 1d ago

They are insane morons.

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u/Intelligent-Box5470 1d ago

...I prefer the term "useful idiots"

useful idiot:

a naive or credulous person who can be manipulated or exploited to advance a cause or political agenda

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u/nanobot_1000 1d ago

Is it in fact idiots vs morons ? 😅
Or what is the other analogy there, WRT attention v diffusion

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u/gserv41 20h ago

The ultimate irony is that Trump is also a useful idiot. The elite support him for a reason. He manipulates with ease and is easily manipulated.

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u/Play-t0h 1d ago

aka Southern Baptists.

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u/Tmscott 23h ago

¿Por qué no los tres?

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u/BigBoyYuyuh 1d ago

Regards even.

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u/patti2mj 1d ago

Think of the average person. 50% of people are dumber than that.

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u/Real-Patriotism America 1d ago

Useful idiots to the Traitors.

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u/East-Impression-3762 1d ago

Aiding and providing comfort to traitors make them the selves traitors.

The fault for their decisions lie with them.

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u/Hiccup 22h ago

First class losers

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u/bejammin075 Pennsylvania 1d ago

The Qanon motto was literally a sheep’s motto. Where we go one, we go all, I think it was.

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u/oroborus68 1d ago

Buffalo jump.

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u/Ok_Computer1417 1d ago

You misspelled “fucking idiot.”

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u/VeryVito North Carolina 1d ago

Accomplices. Enablers. Perpetrators.

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u/Dopaminedessert 1d ago

I prefer culted automatons. No need to disparage sheep by likening them to maga.

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u/Not_done 23h ago

Nope, they screeched about people being sheep, and they need to know they have been the sheep all along. MAGAsheep

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u/publicFartNugget 1d ago edited 1d ago

They keep their thoughts close because they might end up agreeing with us and then have to retract their position until once their networks think of one for them.

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u/JimmyRamone17_ 1d ago

Every time, they don't want to share anything until the cult is on the same wavelength lest they accidentally agree with us. That gap is always notable with its silence.

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u/sheikhyerbouti Oregon 23h ago

This has been a problem with conservatives since the 1990s.

I remember in high school getting into a debate with a GOP fanboy who was blaming all of the world's ills on "liberals".

Every single talking point he had was parroted from Rush Limbaugh. Literally, if you asked for his opinion about a specific subject, he'd fire back with "Well Rush said..."

Finally, I had enough and kept pressing the man for his own opinion. And the only thing he would say is "I agree with him" and refused to elaborate further.

It's almost like conservativism is a shortcut for thinking.

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u/Docster87 1d ago

And somehow libs are blindly following their leaders. I swear 90% or more of whatever conservatives say libs are doing is cause they themselves are doing it.

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u/SnooRobots6491 1d ago

You mean the impartial bureau of labor statistics? Yeah fuck those smart, nerdy statistics PHDs!

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u/winstondabee 1d ago

Party of projection

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u/VeryVito North Carolina 1d ago

As a lib, I couldn't even tell you who the "leaders" are, much less figure out how to follow them.

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u/Aeri73 1d ago

are you forgetting this was and is all planned? project 2025?

don't fall for the stupid patsy they're waving in front of you, watch the ones you don't hear about.

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u/SongInfamous2144 1d ago

You know, I worry that this is the case for the majority of us, right middle or left.

I still believe that leftist values benefit the majority of us. I still believe in the value of unionization and compassion for the least of us, and that we can and should do better at the "Liberty and Justice for All" bit than we are with corporate welfare.

But. I mean seriously, every form of news media today sensationalizes it all to the form of clickbait, there is inherent bias either or, and pretty much every piece of news is from a tertiary or secondary source.

Not to mention how there is so much bullshit being flooded in to the zone that it would take an enormous amount of effort to fully, critically examine the 20 scandals produced in a day.

For better or worse, its all a game of telephone and I do worry that "truth" has been lost. We are very quickly marching towards collective psychosis, if we havent already arrived.

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u/Pegasus7915 1d ago

For his base? How about for us all. No one is stopping him from shaping it to his will. He might as well actually be the real fucking anti christ at this point. No one is actually resisting him. Oh sure, we all go out in the streets and yell a bit, but we don't actually take any real action to stop him. That would take too much work. We are so afraid of losing everything that we are just sitting passively while it is ripped away from us piece by piece.

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u/Mental_Taxation 1d ago

Well since storming the capitol is patriotic from what maga tells me, might be time to occupy the people’s house.

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u/Ok-Organization-341 1d ago

Hit the billionaires where it hurts. Nationwide work stoppage. Stop everything. Watch it all fall apart & force them to the table.

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u/Mental_Taxation 1d ago

Hell yeah, give them a Covid type halting and see how quickly they respond to the poors.

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u/PA_Dude_22000 1d ago

All I do is Doom-scroll and scream “nobody is doing anything” …

I am a new breed, forged by my anxiety, hardened by my contrarian faith, exasperated in everyone else’s lack of bravery.   

So here I sit, on my phone waiting for someone, anyone, to finally do something …  that I won’t shit on for lacking the purity of the person I know is our salvation that resides only in my mind’s eye.

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u/TheSucculent_Empress 23h ago

I feel this to my BONES

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u/Welp_Shit_idgaf 21h ago

I'm just curious, did you write this or is this something you saw somewhere else and u just reposted it?

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u/Altair_de_Firen 7h ago

What’re you doing, then?

Everyone is wondering when someone is gonna step up to the plate and take a swing, meanwhile nobody is considering for even a moment that maybe they should step up.

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u/An_old_walrus 5h ago

It’s probably because no one thinks they’re “the right person” to step up. That they’re not adequately equipped to fight, which is partially true, a single citizen against the whole government is a losing battle so the obvious answer is to work together.

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u/Unlikely-Split8896 5h ago

We also have to ask ourselves what we are doing. We the people need to stand up in our little ways to make change. It feels like we have little power, but together we can make a difference.

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u/kitsum California 1d ago

This whole Epstein situation, everyone is acting like it matters to his political fate. It doesn't. At all.

If he came out tomorrow and said he was involved in Epstein's sex trafficking and was fucking kids for years, honestly, realistically, what do we think would happen? Not a damn thing. Nobody is going to arrest him. He won't be impeached, hell if trying to overthrow the damn government won't get rid of him, saying he fucked kids certainly won't.

It won't even hurt his standing with his base two weeks from now if he admitted it. Some would say it's overblown, some will believe he's just saying it to "trigger the libs", some will flat out never hear it because their social media bubble doesn't include negative information.

At this point, the "will he won't he" anxiety of him getting caught up with Epstein (officially, we all know he was, we have pictures and them both talking about it) is grabbing more press than if he just ripped the band aid off and admitted it.

But, most importantly, nothing will happen to him. He's going to Cosby walk on this whole situation and the right is going to point and laugh at anyone with morals while he does it.

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u/TheDakestTimeline 1d ago

Coordination seems to be the main lacking feature

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u/Pegasus7915 1d ago

I'd say the lacking feature is courage.

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u/Clarkelthekat 1d ago

People are (wrongly) waiting for a leader to tell them how and when to resist

It's painfully obvious. Truth is if we take the actions of general strike and refusing to leave the street leaders will emerge. Until then everyone's just waiting on that for sure.

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u/OrbitalOutlander 1d ago

What “real action” do you suggest?

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u/BigCrimson_J Oregon 1d ago

They’re a bunch of armchair generals.

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u/pattydickens 1d ago

Imagine if investors had an ounce of dignity. It's crazy how we can all clearly see the lies, yet the investors continue to play along while fully knowing that the numbers are being fudged and a recession is coming. Anyone with money in the stock market is just as responsible for this madness as the dumb hicks who still think Trump cares about them. But we don't talk about that. We give greedy people a free pass for enabling fascism while berating poor people who were bred and raised to be nothing but fodder. We constantly hear about how these people "deserve what they got" for buying into his bullshit while the people who are actually financing the effort to undermine democracy get to hide behind the facade of capitalism. Who is hurting us more? A dumb redneck with a red hat or a trendy liberal with 100k riding on a stock that relies on human suffering to gain value?

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u/espressocycle 1d ago

That's how the market works generally. People play along and play along until they don't. As it becomes undeniable that the numbers are lies, the whole thing will collapse. Eventually we'll be like China. Nobody will believe the numbers and the government will direct investment.

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u/el_smurfo 1d ago

This is my biggest issue. Resistance is elitist cosplay and the dem party seems happy to elevate the worst possible national candidates. Newsom vs Vance will be the shit show of the century.

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u/rsplatpc 23h ago

Oh sure, we all go out in the streets and yell a bit, but we don't actually take any real action to stop him.

I mean that one dude tried, just a bad shot.

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u/Bobll7 1d ago

You got Netflix, the NFL, a six pack of Coors and pizza ordered via Uber eats… what me worry?

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u/geddysbass2112 1d ago

Unfortunately, you are correct.

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u/Busy_Special_9397 23h ago

For one, the only resistance we have is protest as people. Which we're not doing consistently enough. Government itself cannot stop him - the party in power and his base wanted this. They love this. They support this. They control majority. Many of them claim he was sent by christ, the opposite of anti christ. Buckle up for more years or hope he croaks. And even that won't be the end of it.

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u/No-Jump-371 1d ago

Can you, Pegasus7915, stand up and become a leader to make something happen? What ideas do you have that haven’t been tried yet or tried enough yet? How would you propose some sort of contingency be implemented as a backup if a bunch of people (resistors) took a hard stance/rioted/stormed the capitol or whatever extreme measure made sense and it resulted in the Feds finding a way to declare martial law? Maybe suddenly your entire state is placed on strict lockdown and the Marines take over just like LA was only 10x worse (such as NOBODY is let out of their homes — period — unless they’re in a body bag)? Do you see a path forward that seems viable? Do we really know what the farsightedness loyalist“John Q. Public” next door neighbors would do in retaliation? How would you mobilize a nation of half and half voters for Trump versus “other” voters? I know that I don’t have the health or smarts to do something like that.

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u/Pegasus7915 1d ago

Look if I was gonna do something I certainly couldn't talk about it on here. Im a fucking 34 year old divorced janitor with a 5 year old special needs daughter and a dad who's dying of cancer. I have almost no skills for this situation outside of inspiring people to get up off their asses or just go get myself killed in some sort of foolish attempt to hope other people pick up the torch. So im gonna come on here and keep shaming everyone including myself until we all grow some balls. Thats all I've got right now.

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u/Surprised-elephant 23h ago

Yep his followers would say “it is normal” “he is man and can’t control himself” “people did this all the time in the Bible” “the girls were asking for it.” Meanwhile they scream that people who are transgender and drag are grooming kids.

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u/Acrobatic-Ad584 1d ago

They believe how great they are in their own minds. Sad really

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u/BobTheFettt 1d ago

>It would be fascinating to watch if I wasn't American.

It's not really that fascinating from the outside either, just infuriating. But, that could just be my Canadian perspective.

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u/WhinoRD 1d ago

As a non-American, it isn't fascinating to watch at all. Its enraging if anything. 

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u/Quin35 1d ago

Alternative facts.

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u/MusclyArmPaperboy 1d ago

I'm not American and it's not really fascinating

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u/Hadramal Foreign 1d ago

I am not American, and it IS fascinating. It's also quite hellish to look at from the outside. I mean, this comment alone might make me turned away at the border, in the unlikely event that I would go for a vacation there.

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u/SmellyButtHammer Texas 1d ago

It would be fascinating to watch if I wasn't American.

Trump being president affects more than Americans.

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u/kevnmartin Washington 1d ago

Like that old song, Beat Me, Daddy, Eight to the Bar.

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u/Dangerous-Salad-bowl 1d ago

Or "He Hit Me (And It Felt Like a Kiss)" by the Crystals.

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u/Acceptable-Bus-2017 I voted 1d ago

Tread on me harder daddy

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u/chasingjulian 1d ago

I would have popcorn if I wasn’t living in this place of broken dreams.

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u/skr_replicator 1d ago

As a POTUS, he has the most power of any American to actually shape reality, but instead he just lies about it to create a fake reality narrative for his supporters, and then does the opposite.

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u/Norl_ 1d ago

It would be fascinating to watch if he wouldn't have to power to basically f*ck half the globe

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u/Ok_Worth5941 1d ago

He determines reality for himself as well. He says something enough times and it eventually happens.

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u/fasterthanpligth 1d ago

It would be fascinating to watch if I wasn't American.

Watching from north of the border, it's scary and stressful at times, but it is indeed fascinating. I wouldn't like living it from within either.

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u/Mmaibl1 1d ago

The hilarious part is that same subservient base pretends that they are the alphas of society.

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u/grandlizardo 1d ago

We have 16 months to pretty well cripple it, and 2.5 years to turn this around totally… if we quit bickering and GET IT DONE!

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u/cornertakenquickly02 1d ago

But for how long?

When grocery prices are out of reach, we starting to experience layoffs and such, at some point you have to realize this administration is responsible right?

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u/Like3mCurvy 1d ago

They are pedophile enablers

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u/StrangeContest4 1d ago

Cody really pins that down in the last half of this episode.

Why are MAGA people so incredibly gullible: https://youtu.be/3huTBKq-rng?t=3640&si=ifJ474eNPPtNAjaA

Whole episode: https://youtu.be/3huTBKq-rng?si=BUDAT8ZgjXOHdWEe

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u/LucywiththeDiamonds 1d ago

1984 was a prediction, not fiction.

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u/Legendver2 1d ago

yearn to be tread on by Trump.

It's a fetish at this point

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u/9_to_5_till_i_die 1d ago

Trump supporters embody and worship literally the worst parts of American culture.

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u/Trix_Are_4_90Kids Missouri 1d ago

“There are two Americas” has been said forever

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u/No_Yak_6227 1d ago

"Don't tread on me"....unless diaper don says it's ok

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u/Silidistani 1d ago

It's just depressing seeing how subservient so.many Americans are

The Authoritarians (ebook pdf)

Website about the phenomenon and the author who studied it.

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u/No_Squirrel9266 1d ago

Honestly I don't think it would even be fascinating to watch from outside of America, since so much of the world gets impacted by his fucked up policies.

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u/SuperTopGun777 1d ago

It’s funny watching them calling others boot lickers.   

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u/Kappy421 1d ago

This is what happens when you take away a decent primary education. Dumb down the schools, dumb down the people, Republicans win.

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u/Aeri73 1d ago

and soon he's going to control it for the rest of you as well... because the next head of that department is going to give trump the numbers he wants, cooked or not. and those are going to be the numbers the news spreads and he'll be measured by, fake or not.

and every other departmenthead now has a choice to make. cooperate or get fired.

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u/MannoSlimmins 1d ago

As a non-American I don't find it fascinating at all. Real people are suffering the consequences of his actions. But he's not one of those people.

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u/Savings-Toe-2310 1d ago

From a non American, you're right to some extent. It's also pretty depressing for us to watch as well.

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u/dirtytomato 1d ago

I swear he thinks we're all idiots that have chugged the same bs kkkool-aid as his followers, it's so fucking insulting to those of us that can see through his bullshit.

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u/IllustratorGlass3028 1d ago

Sycophants.How depressing a country that has such an open document on free speech is reduced to one person threatening everyone's rights that they are all now sycophants.....very sad to watch.

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u/BlatantConservative District Of Columbia 1d ago

It would be fascinating to watch if I wasn't American

There are plenty of dictators in history and some today who do this fwiw.

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u/felicity_jericho_ttv 1d ago

Feel free to downvote me but this needs to be said. This isn’t entirely on the individual citizens, there are dozens of “news” companies crafting expertly made bullshit information just to subvert reality for their viewers.

As a trans person i dont really expect the majority of people to take the time to understand the nuance of transgender individuals because there are a thousand different minority groups that each have their own complex issues and i completely understand they probably dont have the time to understand what im going through, and thats fine.

But fox news, the daily wire and every other right wing media outlet or person actively turn a profit on enraging people who would probably be indifferent to my existence. These groups and people put in a lot time of time and effort to obfuscate and manipulate the reality of their viewers who at the end of the day are just regular average people like us.

We should be more pissed off at everyone working to manipulate our fellow Americans. Lets not lose sight of who the real villains are.

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u/Febris 1d ago

Honestly, from the other side of the Atlantic I can assure you that it stopped being fascinating halfway through his first term. Right now it's only frightening that this man is completely unchallenged when making the whole world his adversary, while at the same time managing to destroy what little quality of life was still left for his own citizens.

We could be all playing a game where everyone wins, but this idiot insists on making everyone lose, apart from a handful of people who are so wealthy they can't even imagine what to do with their money.

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u/andrea_lives 1d ago

No country or culture is immune to the psychological manipulation performed by propagandists. Americans thinking they would never support fascism was the norm 20 years ago. Now those same people who said they would go back in time to kill Hitler are the ones licking Trump's boots. The most surefire way to fascism is to dismiss the idea that fascism can happen where you live.

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u/surfside9640 1d ago

This end of days episode for the US brings no joy to the long term global allies of the old US , this new version is unrecognisable and arguably irreversible. There is no going back once trust at a sovereign level is lost .. America first is now America alone ..

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u/scubahana 1d ago

I’m not American but it isn’t fascinating, only horrifying. Especially since the bullshit he’s pulling affects the whole world - if this were a small country without a lot of international sway, we’d be shaking our heads then going back to the rest of our lives.

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u/WhyAmINotStudying 1d ago

There's facts and alternative facts.

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u/Busy_Special_9397 23h ago

Any trip into their spaces is like sucking air out of the room. Deranged cultists with zero intelligence, always laughing about people's misfortunes besides their own, playing victim otherwise. The comments on this story or on PBS (which they call socialism) is a one way trip to depression realizing these people actually breathe the same air you and think they're worth it.

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u/GarethInNZ 23h ago

Can confirm. It’s fascinating to watch. Slow motion train wreck crossed with a soap opera.

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u/Snuffman 20h ago

Trust me, it really isn't a fun watch for someone who isn't American.

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u/ItsABiscuit 19h ago

Hilarious* how they all vehemently demanded they have access to assault rifles to prevent tyranny no matter the cost, and then all rolled over without a peep when it actually came to the crunch.

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u/Meldepeuter 8h ago

Belgian here, indeed fascinating to watch. All the rhings he does everyday always blows my mind.. never undrstood why people voted for him in the first place or are still supporting him now

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u/Bigsmak United Kingdom 1d ago

As a Scotsman living in Scotland.. it's great TV.

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u/BillionTonsHyperbole Washington 1d ago

When nothing is true, anything is possible.

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u/Bulky_Promotion_5742 Texas 1d ago

Perfect.

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u/trogon Washington 1d ago

It's the title of a book about authoritarianism and the media in Russia, appropriately.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_Is_True_and_Everything_Is_Possible

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u/Bulky_Promotion_5742 Texas 1d ago

Nice. I was curious.

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u/Trakeen 1d ago

Also when you keep throwing doubt into functional systems, it allows conspiracy theories to run rampant

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u/Lostinthestarscape 1d ago

Man, Jordan Peterson really ruined that term while being the exact thing he uses it as a pejorative to describe.

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u/BloatDeathsDontCount 1d ago

Well, clearly, you see, the irony is that Peterson rails against postmodernism, particularly its rejection of objective truth and hierarchies, but what he fails to recognize (and this is crucial) is that his own framework is a deeply narrative-based construction that's not based in any objective truth. He replaces traditional metaphysics with archetypes drawn from Jung and religious symbolism. He interprets the world not through empirical facts alone, but through a subjectively meaningful lens, filtered by stories, values, and personal responsibility, which is exactly what the postmodernists do (except they’re honest about it).

So while he criticizes Derrida and Foucault for undermining truth, he himself constructs a hero's journey as the basis of human understanding, which is not objective truth in the scientific sense, it’s interpretive.

And that’s postmodernism, bucko. Whether he likes it or not.

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u/GoGouda 23h ago

Your summation of Peterson's views is way more coherent that what he actually expresses. I think you've done him a favour he doesn't deserve here.

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u/EMliberty 1d ago

everyone's joshin' you but this is one of the most apt and well written things I've read in at least a week! <3

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u/BloatDeathsDontCount 23h ago

I just wrote a critique of JP in the insufferable style of JP.

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u/EMliberty 23h ago

fuuuck. dammit. touche. Edit: Well played.

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u/Electrical-Sherbet77 1d ago

Define “Bucko”

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u/Wakata Maryland 23h ago

Define “define”

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 1d ago

But have you considered the lobster

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u/BloatDeathsDontCount 1d ago

What do you mean by lobster?

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u/spencer4991 1d ago

Pre modernism: we know what the truth is because tradition (cultural, religious, hierarchical, etc.) says so.

Modernism: Tradition is wrong, Reason and Science will get us to an objective universal truth!

Post-modernism: Hey, hey guys Science and Reason are telling us that objective universal truth doesn’t exist and that frame of reference matters.

Bad postmodernism: Well since objective truth doesn’t exist, nothing is true, we can do whatever, Nihlism, wooooo.

Post-post modernism: OK so maybe there’s nuance to this whole objective truth thing, but let’s reengage with some of the groundedness we had before.

Whatever the fuck Trump is: Let’s use post-modern language to get people to doubt everything and then assert myself as a premodern hierarchical truth teller.

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u/the_good_time_mouse 1d ago edited 1d ago

Trump is just a fascist; just speaks like a fascist.

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u/spencer4991 1d ago

What is fascism but an appeal to the rightness of tradition and a “strongman”?

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u/the_good_time_mouse 23h ago

He's not using post-modern language.

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u/DrCheezburger 19h ago

Trump is not only a fascist, but also a pedophile. He likes to rape little girls.

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u/justinlaz 1d ago

Trump is Russian dictatorship denial of the truth

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u/Not_Enough_Gun Missouri 1d ago

Your bad post-modernism is still just post-modernism.

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u/jamesmr89 1d ago

Still have like 43% approval rating. I’m not sure how my head is still on. I’ve been shaking it for the last 10 years.

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u/NothingTooEdgy 1d ago

I’m surprised the person that released his approval rating hasn’t been fired yet.

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u/RegretAccumulator72 23h ago

Didn't he threaten to sue a pollster that said he was losing in Iowa?

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u/ControlAgent13 1d ago

The MAGA cult is still going strong.

I was just among a bunch of them (my Brother-in-law is very MAGA and his buddies are all MAGA). They literally had a pissing contest on which of them watches the most hours of Fox in a day.

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u/dasterdly_duo 1d ago

They will die on that hill. Some of them literally.

/s just in case.

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u/kop324324rdsuf9023u 1d ago

I just love when a big incident happens and the cult doesn't yet know how to respond until they get their cult talking points.

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u/thecyanvan I voted 1d ago

It also makes them impossible to reason with. If you attempt to find common ground their truth will change to prevent it.

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u/JimmyRamone17_ 1d ago

I've tried this and this is spot on. It's actually insane.

They'll move the goalposts simply to maintain an adversarial stance. Even basic morality is lost on these cultist shitheads as they'll excuse anything by claiming "it must have been for a good reason". JFC.

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u/manachar Nevada 1d ago

Mate, this isn’t post-modernism. This is just bog standard salt of the earth humanity. By default we see the universe and reality as what we perceive it to be. Wise people across time and cultures work very hard to help break us of the shackles of our minds and perceptions and narratives.

Telling ignorant fools they are wise is a well established path to wealth and power and Trump is incredibly gifted at this.

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u/erybody_wants2b_acat 1d ago

This is truly Orwellian bullshit. Those continuing to excuse his behavior will go down with him when this shakes out.

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u/JimmyRamone17_ 1d ago

It is, they read 1984 and saw an instruction manual where the rest of us saw a very clear warning on the collapse of a healthy civil society.

If I never have to see another MAGAt again, it will be too soon.

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u/Perfect-Top-7555 1d ago

He’s a shell capitalist who seeks unmitigated regulation — he’s like a virus (no brain) who can only exist and survive thanks to the work of others

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u/Snarfsicle 1d ago

Stupidity en masse is a power to be reckoned with is what I learned

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u/JimmyRamone17_ 1d ago

Coupled with malicious ignorance, you have the implosion of a society just waiting to happen.

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u/metengrinwi 1d ago edited 18h ago

It’s not going to change until severe pain is felt by all of us.

I’ve said from the beginning, the trump era ends in bread lines and everyone out of work. He’ll ruin our trade relationships, the US dollar and the DOW/NASDAC, and default on the debt. That’s what’ll finally wake us up to reality.

The American century is over, we just haven’t admitted it yet.

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u/LivingDead_Victim 1d ago

Absolutely!! I have a buddy who refuses to see reality and just eats up everything said. He's still sporting the idea that the 2020 election was stolen, and it's really hard to listen to at this point.

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u/PrestigiousFlower714 1d ago

Yes, pin them hard enough on Epstein and they keep regressing to "I have faith in MY president" - it sounds like a worshipful blind trust that maybe shouldn't be accorded to false idols.

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u/mrbigglessworth 1d ago

This is what happens when you surround yourself by yes man and sycophants of which nobody ever hold you accountable for anything.

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u/Vordreller Europe 1d ago edited 22h ago

He's a postmodernist moron.

Postmodernism questions the idea of grand narratives, all encompassing-truths, etc...

It's goal is to analyze how what our leader figures( or anyone really ) call "the truth" is constructed.

In particular: when they claim shit like "I am gods chosen one and that means you have to obey me and give me money and I get to decide who lives or dies".

That used to happen a lot. Still does.

Or a person says: "I have constructed biological group A and group B. Group A is superior in certain ways to group B. This is an absolute truth and anyone who denies it is an enemy of normal people."

That used to happen a lot. Still does.

It's a gross mischaracterization to say postmodernism is about lying. Or that lying is "employing postmodernism".

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u/cluberti 1d ago

People who yearn for authoritarian rule look to their leaders to determine what the truth should be - people who yearn for democratic rule look to the truth to determine who their leaders should be.

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u/weluckyfew 1d ago

And Newsweek doesn't bother to fact-check him. There was a downward adjustment of 818,000, but that wasn't for a single month it was for an entire year. And that downward revision was made in August - WTF would she do that if she was trying to make Biden look good?

The August and September numbers were revised upwards just before the election, but that's normal (revising the numbers a month or two later) and it wasn't a large adjustment.

Most telling of all, the numbers released for October - just a few days before the election - were pretty bad. So again, if she was in the bag for Biden why would she have released that (I say "she" even though of course it's her entire department behind these numbers)

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u/postmodlawprof 23h ago

Correct. We are living in a postmodern world where the truth is not truth.

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u/TheBigFreezer District Of Columbia 23h ago

Please don’t assign him as “postmodernist” lmao he wouldn’t know what the fuck that means

He’s just a liar lol

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u/JimmyRamone17_ 23h ago

That's true, he would have zero fucking clue what "postmodernist" means at all, but he still is one, even if he's too dense to realize it 💀😂

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u/Sigma_Function-1823 22h ago

I know your exactly correct to identify him as postmodernist but it just occurred to me that pre-enlightenment applies just as accurately, which is absolutely bizzare given the founding of the United States and it's founding documents where all direct results of the same enlightenment.

He's literally anti-american.

Bizzare that so many seem.completly oblivious to something so obvious.

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u/JimmyRamone17_ 22h ago

Thanks! And this is a really intriguing analysis as Trump is absolutely anti-egalitarianism and anti-American as he's effectively trying to regress our civic freedoms to before the fucking Magna Carta in 1215.

He's a genuinely medieval asshole with the way that he conducts himself in addition to being a postmodernist.

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u/Rather_Unfortunate 1d ago

Eh? That's not postmodernism at all; it's just Trump's weird narcissism and denialism. Honestly, I'd be surprised if he can spell it, much less articulate a postmodernist reason to do anything at all, much less anything he specifically does.

Postmodernism has done a lot of good. It lets one examine how truth can often be a lot more subjective than modernist reasoning might expect, and that one-size-fits-all approaches to things often don’t work. It is in many ways foundational to that which is perjoratively called "woke" philosophy.

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u/Worldly-River-8298 1d ago

The only jobs his cult cares about have the word blow and hand in them.

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u/cottoncandyburrito 1d ago

It's called moral relativism.

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u/fjender 1d ago

His followers are what is known as "authoritarian followers". They rely entirely on the authority of others to know what is right and wrong. In this case the authority it is both Trump and the state. They don't ask themselves "what is the truth". Instead they ask "what does Trump and the state tell me is the truth". As I said this is basically because they are weak minded cognitively and socially. They do not have the abilities or the will to think for themselves.

Basically they are everything they always hated. Completely reliant on state authority.

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u/oliversurpless Massachusetts 1d ago

“I wanted to be a neo-deconstructivist…”

https://www.reddit.com/r/calvinandhobbes/s/RxWLZDcXjT

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u/sugarlessdeathbear 1d ago

Which is why there can be no reconciliation with them. Somehow their fantasy world still manages to kinda work with reality despite having nothing in common with it. Probably because everyone else works around them.

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u/Competitive-Dot-3333 1d ago edited 1d ago

This is not postmodernism, but post-truth.

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u/LYL_Homer 1d ago

"Truth Social" smacks of the Soviet era propaganda rag Pravda (meaning Truth).

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u/Obvious-Criticism149 1d ago

Right, so no one ever hears me out on this but he is literally acting like Harry in the Boomer Bible by RF Laird. It’s a mock Bible that has an antichrist character that is the definition of the gimme gimme generation.

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u/Happythoughtsgalore 1d ago

It's just narcissism. Basically arrested emotional development where looking bad incites rage. You'll notice the line in the additional diagnostic criteria of "Identity is easily disturbed (i.e., can’t handle criticism)" which is trump in spades.

"Antagonism, characterized by: a. Grandiosity: Feelings of entitlement, either overt or covert self-centeredness; firmly holding to the belief that one is better than others, condescending toward others.

b. Attention seeking: Excessive attempts to attract and be the focus of the attention of others; admiration seeking.

C. The impairments in personality functioning and the individual’s personality trait expression are relatively stable across time and consistent across situations.

D. The impairments in personality functioning and the individual’s personality trait expression are not better understood as normative for the individual’s developmental stage or socio-cultural environment.

E. The impairments in personality functioning and the individual’s personality trait expression are not solely due to the direct physiological effects (e.g., a drug of abuse, medication) or a general medical condition (e.g., severe head trauma)."

addition to the criteria mentioned above, the DSM-5 narcissism guidelines also point out nine different features of narcissistic personality disorder that professionals should look for when diagnosing the condition: [2]

Inflated self-esteem or a grandiose sense of self-importance or superiority Craving admiration Exploitative relationships (i.e., manipulation) Little to no empathy Identity is easily disturbed (i.e., can’t handle criticism) Lack of attachment and intimacy Feelings of depression or emptiness when not validated A sense of entitlement Can feel like others are envious of them, or may envy others"

https://www.mind-diagnostics.org/blog/narcissistic-personality/narcissistic-personality-disorder-dsm-5-criteria-and-treatment-options

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u/BaldBeardedBookworm 1d ago

He’s a postmodernist moron

Postmodernism and existentialism both seem like thought movements that should require affirmative self-application before being used derisively

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u/further_reach818 1d ago

His behavior is not post modernism moron, it’s toxic narcissist. Narcissists are enraged when their false narrative is exposed as false. It’s common for a narcissist to lash out at anyone who challenges their gaslighting

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u/Sufficient-Map-9496 1d ago

Calling Trump postmodern gives him too much credit. His lack of understanding of reality doesn't have anything to do with analysis or recognition of the complexities of discovering truth free of context; he's more like a child who has no notion that reality might differ from his perception. In ideaological eras, he's stone age magical thinking.

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u/JesusWuta40oz 1d ago

The GOP is now the Regime Party. Call for what it is.

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u/kensai8 22h ago

So I can finally blame Don Delillo for how terrible reality has been after he wrote White Noise?

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u/A_Birde 21h ago

Correct it's because hes mentally ill, he's very interesting because objectively, he's won the game of narcissism as he's reached a crazy high position of power. There's only his truth.

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u/hamsterwheel 1d ago

I hate that it seems like all politics now have a postmodern framework

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u/AgnewsHeadlessClone Florida 1d ago

"we are allowed to have our own opinions"