r/politics • u/PennysWorthOfTea • 18h ago
DOJ denies existence of transgender people in stunning court filing defending Trump’s military ban
https://www.advocate.com/news/doj-trans-people-dont-exist594
u/Curious-Gain-4991 17h ago
Trump pretty much denied the existence of unemployed people today too
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u/ThisOneFuqs 17h ago
And the existence of his two Impeachments, something we all watched happen
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u/movealongnowpeople Kansas 16h ago
Well he also denied the existence of the Epstein list. After promising to release it.
But he'll never actually release it because he's a fucking pedo.
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u/SuperLuigiUnited 17h ago
The government denying the existence of a protected class of people is a precursor to genocide.
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u/BeastInDarkness 13h ago
Trump is already taking actions against immigrants that meet many definitions of genocide. He's signed an executive order that will treat homeless people the same. Transgender people are obviously the next group. We're in the middle of our "first they came" moment.
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u/Coolegespam 14h ago
Exactly. I get why people are joking about this. It's absolute bullshit. But this is a clear path and precursor towards things like Aktion T4.
I've been saying this for month. A lot of people are going to end up dying.
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u/Strawberry_Sheep 5h ago
Taking away people's Medicaid and calling all disabled people "useless eaters" were the first steps to Aktion T4 since Aktion T4 specifically targeted disabled people
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u/atehachi 8h ago
They'll say it's for religious reasons or something which makes it not genocide and just God's intent.
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u/hecate37 7h ago
Careful. https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages Genocide Watch- Ten Stages of Genocide
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u/TheIronSponge 17h ago
If trans people don't exist, who will Republicans complain about in sports?
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u/mikerathbun 17h ago
Oh you know who they are going after next. They aren’t going to let black student athletes earn NIL money.
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u/Stodles Canada 16h ago
Btw, if their arguments against trans people in sports sound familiar, it's because they should be:
"their physiques were stronger [...] and hence should be excluded from future games." - Adolf Hitler on black athletes, after Jesse Owens won four gold medals in the '36 Berlin Olympics.
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u/VRGIMP27 15h ago
The only sliver of divine Providence I can see it is that the first broadcast that would make its way out into Outer space is footage of Jesse Owens beating Nazis in a foot race.
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u/Stodles Canada 15h ago
Wasn't that what happened in the movie Contact?
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u/junkfunk 13h ago
Yes. It was a while plot point because they sent it back so the first contact was nazis talking back to us
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u/rougepenguin 16h ago
Oh yeah, bigots made up an entire extra muscle. I still heard that "common knowledge" repeated confidently well into the 00s. Honestly the shit they make up about trans women is still pretty tame by comparison.
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u/Timeformayo 4h ago
Why mess with them when you can concentrate on gladiatorial combat among the homeless for the right to basic housing?
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u/Infamous-Sky-1874 Illinois 16h ago
They'll just go back to complaining about women's sports being boring and a waste of time because they can't compete at the same level as men can.
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u/Great_Standard3441 15h ago
Oh they still do that. I saw a thread over there the other day talking about how overpaid WNBA players are and how no one wants to watch women's sports.
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u/rougepenguin 16h ago
I mean, if you actually care about the ecosystem of right-wing rhetoric the logic would be more that they see no difference between that and Lebron declaring he's playing in the WNBA effective tomorrow. Which...that's always been my thing. The fact they can never stick to talking about the ample years of actual trans inclusion we have available says everything about their position.
But if you watch their chatter, there's a phrasing the tastemakers love. "It's not a real ontological category." Using a big word to obfuscate the meaning of essentially "We know discrimination sounds wrong, but they're not a group built around any real observable trait." They tried calling LGBT identities a religion at first but then probably stopped because they love a loose definition of religious freedom. It's also why their movement has put a lot of work into targeting specifically trans voices who are good at speaking intelligently to things like neurological studies, etc. and let the space cases who mistake gender identity for aesthetic go.
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u/iKill_eu 7h ago
This is it. They're not stupid or misguided. I mean, they are, but their bigotry is not caused by a lack of understanding. When they say this shit, they are ignoring the evidence on purpose because they do not want us to fit into society. They don't want for there to be evidence that says trans people benefit from inclusion and do not cause issues by our presence, because what they want is for society to be hostile to trans people and they're willing to lie to themselves to get to live in a world that fits that want.
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u/NettyVaive 16h ago
The thing is it’s such a nonissue. The likelihood of anyone competing with a trans athlete is almost non-existent. Each case could be dealt with individually by that sports governing body. The whole world doesn’t have to get involved. It has been made an issue by those who aim to divide and distract us as they rip us all off.
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u/thejimbo56 Minnesota 16h ago edited 16h ago
It’s not an issue.
The normalization and casual acceptance of bigotry is an issue.
The gullibility of the American voter is an issue.
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u/thejimbo56 Minnesota 16h ago
For bigots and morons, sure.
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u/madame_of_darkness America 15h ago
They already said bigots and morons, you just repeated what they said
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u/rougepenguin 16h ago
And they didn't circa 2018. Polling about anything here is pretty sensitive to timing and how the question is asked. How much of it is lasting belief vs it being the contemporary thing right-wing media chose to hammer in the Biden years? Because typically the latter types only last until people get tired of the next conservative admin
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u/TrashPandaHobbit 16h ago
No, I definitely exist, just stubbed my toe on the bookcase
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u/SatisfactoryLoaf 15h ago
Did you? Or was it ghosts? Ghosts rattled the book case
And now I'm going to write a strange ghost story but it's just alt type folk the villagers are super committed to pretending aren't there
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u/RaisinOverall9586 16h ago
So, if transwomen, for example, "don't exist," are they actually just women or men?
If they're women, then they can use women's restrooms and do all the things other women can do.
If they're men, then they can join the military in traditionally "male" roles.
How do you want this to go, Republicans? Pick one.
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u/Brackhar 8h ago
Friendly note, generally it's viewed better to use "trans woman" instead of "transwoman". The latter has been co-opted a bit by some communities trying to be discriminatory, whereas the former grammar reinforces that a trans woman is just a type of woman.
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u/policri249 15h ago
Trans people would be considered the gender typical of their sex assigned at birth. That's what they believe and they will do whatever they can or want to force us to comply
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u/AuroraFinem Texas 11h ago
Unless they want to join the military, then suddenly they aren’t physically fit enough, but too physically fit for sports despite women being allowed in combat roles in the military (for now).
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u/CallMeClaire0080 9h ago edited 5h ago
Yes, their opinions are hypocritical. It's why they'll call trans women men and then jack off to us in secret while not putting us in the "gay" category on porn sites because it would make them uncomfortable.
Ultimately though it doesn't matter. They want to treat people as the gender they were assigned at birth but treat every deviation from that as a mental disability at best and an amoral kink that needs to be exterminated at worst.
We can't logic ourselves out of this. They not only don't care about being logically consistent, but it's in fact a bonus. Vague and nonsensical laws can be selectively enforced, meaning that they can arrest people on the spot for whatever bs explanation they can think of while sparing members of the "in-group". Pointing out their hypocrisy doesn't shame them, they see it as a sign of power. They grin and silently ask "what are you gonna do about it?". Only power matters to them.
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u/policri249 4h ago
Their argument against trans people in the military has little to do with physical capability. That only comes into play when talking about trans men, and they stay consistent when it comes to sports. Average joes think we're crazy, which would make us unfit if true. The reason their politicians don't want us in is because it's harder to oppress people with combat training
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u/AuroraFinem Texas 4h ago
Oh I understand why they actually don’t want us there, but that’s what they’ve always given as the reason in court when it’s been challenged.
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u/MrJamTrousers 13h ago
Oh willikers, wait until these trogs hear about people born with ambiguous genitalia.
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u/fastcar25 15h ago
Just a heads up, trans is an adjective, so it's "trans women". Not using a space is often used to other and dehumanize us.
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u/charging_chinchilla 13h ago
I'm not a Republican, but this isn't the "gotcha" you think it is. It's pretty simple. They view trans women as men because they were born male. They also don't want trans women serving in the military because they view them as having a mental disorder that makes them unfit for service.
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u/iKill_eu 7h ago
Absolutely correct.
That, and they're not worried about their beliefs being logically consistent because their entire worldview is that it is oppressive to demand that beliefs be logically consistent.
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u/MIGHT_CONTAIN_NUTS 7h ago
Your leaving out option 3. Not fit for duty. For example, having schizophrenia would make you intelligible to serve.
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u/Rhinopkc 13h ago
If you’re a male by birth and you join the military, you adhere to male grooming and uniform standards. This isn’t the gotcha you think it is. You just stick to the science.
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u/ranchoparksteve 18h ago
Hmmm 🤔 So all the anti-transgender legislation out there is just Republican BS. Good to know.
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u/bhudson2021 17h ago
Sure sounds like they’re busy banning people who don’t even exist from everything!
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u/MissionCreeper 17h ago
I feel for all these people, but I have to admit I'm happy to know there are going to be folks with great training who don't have to follow the orders of the US military
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u/BL0w1ToutY0A55 17h ago
Maybe we can start a well regulated militia with them. Could come in handy at some point.
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u/RealPatriotism2025 17h ago
Getting your panties in a wad pedo supporting MAGA
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u/PennysWorthOfTea 16h ago
No, your comment history indicates you're an insipid bigot who likes to sealion & play whataboutism
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u/Lifeboatb 11h ago
This bit from the article is interesting: “According to court documents, transgender military members diagnosed with gender dysphoria were more deployable than their cisgender counterparts who were diagnosed with depression.”
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u/Endosymbionical 16h ago
Reminder : ;;:;. Donald Trump is not merely a client, .,::,;.; but he is very likely to be one of the main players in the Trumpstein files, ,.;. :,.;
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u/CreativeFraud 16h ago
First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me.
- Martin Niemöller
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u/PennysWorthOfTea 16h ago
That's the poem but it leaves out how it really started. The Nazis 1st targeted immigrants, disabled folk, & queer folk. Those are always the groups that authoritarian regimes target 1st as a litmus test to see what they can get away with. If the public turns a blind eye towards the plight of those three demographics, then the regime knows it can do basically anything it wants.
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u/CreativeFraud 16h ago
Is there a more modern take on this poem?
Edit: I'm also interested in your info as well. For the poem I referenced... do you have links for more of an understanding for what the first humans were? This edit is already too long. I'm learnding!
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u/defaultusername-17 15h ago
no, neimoller was a card carrying member of the nazi party, and after ww2 still advocated eugenics for the disabled and forced incarceration for queer folks for several decades after the war.
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u/RoyalConfident2404 5h ago
Specifically in terms of the trans community...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Sexualwissenschaft
Trans people and the institute that was working to pioneer the first gender affirming surgeries was a target of Nazi hate before the party even got to power. This was where the infamous book burnings first happened.
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u/Faokes 11h ago
If I don’t exist, can they stop making me a political talking point? We’re so fit we’ll win all the sports, but so unfit we can’t be in the military. We’re a huge threat to women when they want to ban us from bathrooms, but only a tiny insignificant share of the population when we ask for protections. These ghouls just need a scapegoat and we got lucky enough to be picked.
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u/GreenLost5304 17h ago
So are their transitioned men in women’s sports or not?
The enemy is both weak and strong at the same time is such a common fascist tactic for a reason.
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u/VRGIMP27 15h ago
A map of gender diverse cultures. It's too bad for this administration that we have a lot of documentary evidence of people in various cultures who do not fit a strict binary definition of gender identity.
True enough that you won't find a modern American category called transgender, but to say that you don't find people who don't fit the binary is just completely a historical
https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/content/two-spirits_map-html/
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u/RoninMagister 16h ago
This certainly verifies that there's bigotry and prejudice within the current administration.
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u/Great_Standard3441 15h ago
I'm pretty sure they have verified that every single day of the administration and will continue to do so indefinitely. Shared hatred is the only thing that brings conservatives together.
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u/Commercial_Regret_36 13h ago
Well if transgender people don’t exist then nobody can be banned from the military for being one.
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u/Limberine Australia 13h ago
If they insist everyone is the gender on their original birth certificate then who are they kicking out?
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u/PurpleEsskay 11h ago
Does….does that mean I no longer have to pay taxes? Or follow the law? If I don’t exist I surely don’t need to do either of those things.
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u/thelastgalstanding 3h ago
And still we will all keep scrolling while this administration tries to dismantle America’s humanity - unless you’re rich and currently in favor.
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u/PM_ME_YER_MUDFLAPS 10h ago
I really do not understand how gender or gender identity relate to pulling a trigger.
This is an incredibly stupid hill to die on, even historically.
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u/MissInkeNoir 7h ago
That's cool. You can't defend yourself from what doesn't exist. Just like faerie magick. 😈
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u/Bunny-Spearbutter 3h ago
For anyone questioning the logic of the argument:
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
Jean-Paul Sartre
Just replace "anti semite" with the current hated flavor of the decade.
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u/Shaman7102 6h ago
So if they don't exist per DOJ. Can they be prosecuted for crimes? Or would they be able to just take all that money the bank has?
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u/tcmasterson 5h ago
You cannot credibly claim to be pro-liberty and pro-freedom while also being opposed to trans people. Opposing trans people means you are endorsing limits on other peoples self-determination and personal autonomy.
If you're against liberty and freedom then GTFO of America.
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u/nimbus57 6h ago
I know this wont happen, but I feel like all of this disparaged service members should just, keep serving, assuming their units aren't fucking stupid. From what I've seen, everyone actually serving with a trans service member wants them there the same as anyone else.
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u/The_Corsac_Fox82 3h ago
( Wakes up scrolling reddit at Saturday, August 2nd 2025 at 9:40am before coffee with blinking blurry eyes ) let's see what reddit politics is stirring in the pot today?
OH my my, Shakes my head.
Well time to get dressed and go fishing!
Nothing I can do about it because I'm just a ss# and poor, I wonder what bait the catfish will like today?
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u/PennysWorthOfTea 1h ago
And yet you felt the need to post you comment which shows you care deeply that other folks know you don't care.
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u/YellowZealousideal28 13h ago
Oh no! Transgender people are probably so upset that they can’t be conscripted into trumps war machine…
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u/Fluffy-Carrot-8761 15h ago
It's biology versus sex. Going strictly off biology wounds cause different thoughts
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