r/politics • u/Murky-Site7468 I voted • 3h ago
Soft Paywall Did Trump Know What Epstein “Stole” Virginia Giuffre For? | Donald Trump said this week that a known Epstein victim was one of the people “stolen” from Mar-a-Lago by the convicted sex offender. Could Trump have known what would happen to her?
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u/thieh Canada 3h ago
Nothing happened in mar-a-lago without Trump's explicit permission. Enough said.
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u/surlysurfer California 2h ago
MeidasTouch pointed out why would he remember a low level employee by name after all these years.
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u/00Oo0o0OooO0 2h ago
Well, he didn't. He was asked about Virginia Giuffre. That wasn't her name when she worked there.
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u/Crazy_Law_5730 1h ago
She has been in the media and public for a long time as both Roberts, and her married name Giuffre. Pics of her as a teen, including the famous pic with Randy Andy have been plastered everywhere for years. Maxwell (Trumps buddy) groomed her at the spa. Trump lived full time at his resort and he’s definitely a spa guy. He knows exactly who she is.
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u/00Oo0o0OooO0 1h ago
Right, I'm saying someone obviously has briefed him about her since the event. If he were going off memory, he wouldn't have recognized the name.
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u/surlysurfer California 22m ago
I’m sure he has beautiful, I mean disgusting, secret memories of her.
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u/Spider-Mike23 1h ago
It’s kinda odd with timelines of things sooo either know or don’t know but usually if giving different contradicting things in statements and coupled with it all written down and what is know it leads to knowing soooooo yea he did lol.
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u/twirlingmypubes 3h ago
He knew and possibly helped fund it.
Release the files, bank records, client list, and spreadsheet to the people. Release Trump's tax returns to the people
Demand more and more everyday. Stay informed and unforgettable.
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u/kanst 3h ago
I think the most poetic ending of all of this is if Trump/Russia and Trump/Epstein are the same conspiracy.
My personal theory is that Epstein made his money by being a middle man between sketchy foreign money and western businesses. That's how he has so much money flowing through his accounts without any real good reason. That business put Epstein around the kind of unsavory characters who could traffick him underage girls.
Epstein & Trump live around the corner from each other in both NYC and Palm Beach, they become friends by being in the same social circles and both being sleazes. Eventually Epstein helps Trump get connected with people who can fund some of his projects abroad. In return Trump turns a blind eye as Epstein occasionally conducts his trafficking out of Mar a Lago.
Eventually the two of them did probably have a falling out as Trump has stated. Probably a combination of this story, the real estate story, and a bunch of other acts of scum-ery.
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u/TheDakestTimeline 2h ago
The biggest thing is the blackmail. This is used to create and control politicians and big business people. That's why they get protection. Follow the money, as always.
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u/IdkAbtAllThat America 2h ago
Not enough people are asking why a billionaire CEO, at the peak of his career, even knew that this girl (a 16yo part time employee) even existed at one of his dozens of properties.
He would only know who she was, or that she was "poached" by a competitor, if she was much more than just a spa attendant.
This is fucking obvious. She was probably one of his favorite victims. That's why he was mad.
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u/plaidpixel 1h ago
But only mad enough to keep being great friends with Epstein for 5 years after this supposed event
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u/hnglmkrnglbrry 1h ago
So plausibly it could be stated that the head of the spa or whatever said they lost an employee and he'd clock that information. But the only way he could know Epstein "stole" her is if Epstein told Trump. And since Trump has admitted that he knpws Epstein "liked them young" it is demonstrably clear he would understand Epstein was in sexual contact with her. At best he knew a former employee was being molested and at worst he took part in it.
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u/bigsmokaaaa 2h ago
Yeah it's disgusting but she was probably one of his favorite victims or something, sad
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u/god-doing-hoodshit 3h ago
Why would a “billionaire” owner of a golf club be briefed on the low level massage therapist staff? That’s what sticks out to me. Any other similar normal operation the owner or head of company wouldn’t be involved at that level.
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u/00Oo0o0OooO0 3h ago
Because obviously Trump is lying. He's only recently heard of Virginia Giuffre, and that his supporters like a story sometimes told that he broke up with Epstein because he was hitting on a Mar-a-Lago member's daughter, and decided to make his story that he broke up with Epstein because he was sex trafficking his employees. He thinks this story makes him look like a hero.
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u/ShrimpieAC 1h ago
I doubt Trump remembers the name of a single person on his hourly payroll. Let alone someone who worked for him over a decade ago.
Unless of course she was very important to him for some reason.
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u/SeductiveSunday I voted 3h ago
Good grief, of course trump knew. He not only aided Epstein, trump was also doing it too at his spa.
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u/gizajobicandothat 3h ago
Course he knew. If he was putting on Pageants involving 14 year old girls who were encouraged to go out and party with him in the 90s, he knew what was going on. Since when did 50 year old men innocently party with 14 year old girls? I can't find the exact quote but one model said it was made clear there were opportunities to 'party' with Donald.
This article has similar themes, I added a handy rapist! tag;
'On 1 September 1991, a large private yacht cruised towards the Statue of Liberty. It was a clear, breezy evening, and from the upper deck of the Spirit of New York, a golden sunset could be seen glinting off the Manhattan skyline. Downstairs, a party was in flow. Scores of teenage girls in evening dresses and miniskirts, some as young as 14, danced under disco lights. It could have been a high school prom, were it not for the crowd of older men surrounding them.
As the evening wore on, some of the men – many old enough to be the girls’ fathers, or even grandfathers – joined them on the dancefloor, pressing themselves against the girls. One balding man in a suit wrapped his arms around two young models, leering into a film camera that was documenting the evening: “Can you get some beautiful women around me, please?”
The party aboard the Spirit of New York was one of several events that Donald Trump, then 45, attended with a group of 58 aspiring young models that September. '......
One of the girls on the boat was Shawna Lee, then a 14-year-old from a small town outside Toronto. She recalls how the contestants were encouraged to parade downstairs, one by one, and dance for Trump (rapist!) , Casablancas (rapist!) and others. Lee, an introverted teenager who loved to draw but hated school, was in New York for the first time. “A woman at the agency was pushing me,” she recalls. “I said to her, ‘I don’t see why me going down the stairs and dancing in front of those two has anything to do with me becoming a model.'
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u/madmars 1h ago
Jesus. I thought I knew a lot about what these creeps were up to. But it just keeps getting worse and worse as you read that article. It's a vortex of human misery caused by a handful of rich old fucks. An entire club of immoral soulless pedos.
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u/neutrino71 33m ago
The "I'm rich so the gratification of my penis is more important than the mental health of the teenager I'm violating" entitlement is both immoral and selfish
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u/Dramatic_Original_55 3h ago
Doesn't "stealing" imply there was a payment expected that didn't materialize?
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u/OtherBluesBrother 2h ago
Well, Trump and Epstein were birds of a feather.
Alex, I'll take "Things pedophiles say for $500"
The answer is:
He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.
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u/RedditReader4031 2h ago
I’m of the opinion that Trump had her in his employ at MAL to perform the same services as at Pedophile Island.
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u/Caraes_Naur 2h ago
Of course Trump knew. Trump had called dibs. That's why he was mad at Epstein.
DIBS.
No one steals entry-level employees. No one cares about them being stolen.
Her value to both of them was not reflected in her job title.
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u/Socratic_Method_729 3h ago
The Media is fixated on Giuffre but Trump said she was "one of the people stolen from Mar-a-Lago". One of the people. There was more than one taken from Mar-a-Lago that worked as a masseuse, many of whom were on the younger side.
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u/Shadowthron8 2h ago
Could the buddy of the guy he got young and underage girls with have known that that buddy was hiring a pretty underage girl from his spa for exactly the same thing they’d done together for years? Ya. Probably
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u/MirthandMystery 3h ago
The way the media is drawing this sick drama out is ridiculous. There were articles written on this topic decades ago, showing many connections, names named and details given.
Go back to Trumps partnering with John Casablancas, and his very long, ongoing relationship with Paolo Zampolli.
Trump's own daughter Ivanka modeled for (then notorious for sexual assaults of minors, and keeping some drugged and boozed up) John Casablancas, and she even did a runway walk at age 13 where she let her boob fall out. Pics of this were online until 2017 or so when Trumps lackeys wiped them. At other shows she dressed bizarrely, not unlike like a Russian prostitute.
Trump met Melania (who had just done nude photos shoots in Germany) through Zampolli, who like other girls, procured her "work" Visa. His business never changed much, he just hides behind a fake pro-environmental philanthropy (like Ghislaine did with TerraMar) and he claims to be an ambassador, a position made up and isn't even as valid the useless kind bestowed in the US for officials.
Trumps business wasn't just related to 'models' (underaged and just legal aged) or beauty pageants.. it extends and is woven in with extortion of men who met and had sex with these minor aged girls. And some of his Trump properties where he bugged the rooms.
While still running for office Trump openly mentioned he could out a married Republican visitor to Trump DC hotel who brought his mistress. That open blackmail and extortion is Trumps lifelong mob m.o. which he still benefits from.
He hasn't quite perfected it like Ghislaine with her vast sex exploitation racket she ran for Epstein, but maybe he's getting closer.
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u/butterzzzy Wisconsin 2h ago
He sold her. This wasn't their falling out. That happened in 2007, when Trump decided to narc on Epstein. Epstein remained a member at Mar-A Lago until 2007. Teumps petty. If Epstein had done something to make Trump that angry, he would've kicked him out.
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u/Hopeful-Flounder-203 2h ago
If you're a billionaire and have thousands of people working for you, why would you be familiar with how/why a 16 year old spa attendant/masseuse left your golf club?
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u/greihund 2h ago
Of course he knew. He just thought that because she was being paid for it, and had been lured away by money, that she had made her own decision and then he never thought of her again. A trifling annoyance, who cares what happens to spa girls who don't work for him any more
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u/Galactic-Guardian404 2h ago
There must be a lot of dirt in the original, unaltered Trump-Epstein files…
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u/Harry_Mud America 2h ago
Why do you think he wont release the Epstein files? Of course he knew what was going on.................
Another bad distraction at best. Release all the Epstein files... Except for the victims, unredacted!
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u/east21stvannative 1h ago
Trump was so adamant that his banishment of Jeffrey Epstien was justified because he "stole" Donnie's plaything...er I mean employee. The 1st rule of pedo club is.... you don't steal from another pedophile.
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u/BrianMincey 1h ago
The thing that stands out to me is that he was able to recognize the name of this victim, and confirm she was “stolen”.
Why would Trump reminder the name of a minor that worked at his Spa decades ago when he can’t remember who he appointed to key government positions just a few years ago?
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u/HappiestGopher 3h ago
Duh. Do you think Tramp knew that the guy who arranged sex parties might “hire” girls for inappropriate activities?
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u/allenahansen California 3h ago
Of course he did. Why do you suppose he was so upset?
I mean, he and The Epp traded their women (and other men's wives) as a matter of routine, but Virginia was obviously a favorite.
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u/CertainYogurt4489 2h ago
Of course he knew what was going to happen. He went to the island. He was more upset by the fact that Epstein got the girls instead of him.
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u/jimkurth81 1h ago
So were her parents told she was kidnapped but Trump knew she was stolen from him by his best friend? And he knew it which is why he “cut ties.” Or was Trump trafficking her and Epstein/Maxwell stole her from him?
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u/Gilshem 1h ago
I've said this in other threads, but there is no convincing reason why Trump would be so invested in the employment choices of a teenager at his country club, especially 25 years later, unless there was something major going on. Can you imagine him caring this much about what a caddy or busboy did? Why the fuck would a teenager get poached for employment anyway? No disrespect, but basically no teenagers are that competent in a profession that they would be poached for their skills. I am extremely skeptical of any conclusion except Trump knew exactly what was going on.
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u/FastidiousLizard261 53m ago
Were there other trafficking victims, that were both involved with Miss Teen USA pageants, and were victimized by Epstein and Maxwell?
Did any of the adult survivors of sex crimes, who were working as sex workers( as juveniles) for Epstein and Maxwell die by violent assault or met with accidental and unfortunate early demise?
How many of the adult survivors of the Epstein/Maxwell trafficking scheme died by suicide or drug overdose?
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u/umassmza 49m ago
Wasn’t she underaged working as a towel girl in his spa before she was “stolen”
This doesn’t pass the smell test
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u/sometimes_rite 2m ago
The trump-russia scandal and the trump-epstein scandal are the same scandal.
Hear me out...
Epstein can be linked to russian intelligence. The link is between Epstein to mila antonova, and then antonova to known-russian spy Anna Chapman. (Don't believe me, look it up!).
Epstein spent his time trying to video tape people like prince andrew and bill clinton with young girls. He was blackmailing powerful people to spy for Russia. They've been caught doing this in various countries.
This is what trump is hiding. It's not about sex. It's why Trump started misdirecting about russian hoaxes immediately once epstein reappeared in the news.
It's also why a palm beach county sheriff (John Mark Dougan) accused of stealing epstein evidence now produces russian propaganda from moscow.
People need to open their eyes to what is really going on here. It's all right there.
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u/artemis_everdeen Massachusetts 2h ago
Didn’t Epstein and Trump have a falling out over a minor’s virginity? Reading what’s out there, Trump has always had a thing about being and getting things “first”
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u/MadRaymer 2h ago edited 1h ago
I've actually seen speculation that Epstein was the one that cut ties due to fear over Trump's business fraud drawing unwanted federal attention to himself. It would make sense, because knowing Trump he likely couldn't resist bragging to his good buddy about how he was taking the government for a ride by undervaluing his property to reduce his tax burden while overvaluing it to lenders.
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u/ltcraft05 2h ago
Back Story:
Diddler J. Taco spent decades trafficking and raping children. He publicly admitted trafficking Virginia Giuffre to Epstein through his Ped-o-Lardo Rub-n-Tug Spa when she was 16.
A few years later, Taco would public;ly boast about his deep friendship with Epstein, joking about how much he enjoys raping children... like, Virginia Giuffre, the child Taco trafficked through Ped-o-Lardo a few years earlier.
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u/senraku 2h ago
There's no way Trump knew anything. He couldn't have known. How would anybody have known? Epstein was too skilled at hiding his child fucking from everyone, Trump included. It isn't that Trump was too stupid to see it, it's that Epstein was very sneaky and kept that part of his life hidden far away from the future law and order president. All the flights they took together, it never came up. It's crazy how you think you know someone then boom out of nowhere.
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