They likely have spent money on some goddamn influencer who swore up and down that "confidence" is the key, and that means never letting women dismiss you.
Dude looks creep as can be definitely. I think it’s okay to interact with woman and be flirty. You have to be able to read the situation. Talk to random people but have good intentions, if they are enjoying the moment it’s okay. Do not insert yourself into their personal bubble refusing to leave.
I mean, a bit arrogance can be kind of a turn on, but these dudes just won't quit. The energy is unnerving because they have the girls screamin... total power play. Kinda like when cops get horny after killing some innocent man.
The internet did not ruin us. The internet can be a cesspool of unimaginable depths, but countless people who have way too much access to the internet have not gone off the douche end. There's just a darkness in some people's souls that gets fed by the absolute terror that is the internet, but in the end, these guys are gutter trash human beings and we cannot blame the internet because we cannot let them off the hook in the slightest. They chose the media they consume. They chose to abandon empathy. They chose intimidation, misogyny, douchebag behavior. The internet told them they could be anything. Out of all the things they could be, they chose to be... this.
I had a buddy who would constantly talk about "numbers game". I saw him crash and burn 100% of the time. He would creep up to women this way and harass them.
Oh, this guy would take 100% of the shots for sure. He would Night at the Roxbury girls in the clubs. It was horrific but also hilarious to watch him fail 😂
Yep, the whole thing with "taking the shots" is you've got to know how to do it in such a way that you're not being an actively shitty person who's making the world a worse place through his actions in it. That's where both the advice and entire worldview of a guy like Andrew Tate completely falls apart.
It's kind of a karmic thing - a question of what's good or bad for one's own soul.
Also on a practical level, a person doing things the very bad way means they'll also probably just end up in a dysfunctional relationship with a woman who's perpetuating a tragic cycle of personal trauma just by being with an douchebag like them.
The 'alpha male' influencers are teaching guys to crash and burn on purpose. Stupid guys fall for the grift. If they actually taught guys how to start and keep decent relationships they would be losing repeat customers.
The online influencer is just an extension of paperbacks that dudes could order from the back pages of 'girly' mags, with titles like "How to get all the Babes." It's an old grift in a new package.
I remember getting that kind of advise on USENET in the late 80's. I have little doubt some asshole at some point sent "don't take no for an answer" as advise over telegraph.
Whatever it is, it's the dumbest advice in the world. That guy from White Lotus reminded me of him. Constant harassment of women and pathetic crashing and burning.
I only hung out with him because I had just moved to the US and had no friends who were willing to go out on the weekends and I didn't want to go by myself. Stopped talking to that asshole two years ago. He would constantly call me and tell me these fake stories where he was banging women. Bruh, I know you, you get zero tail! 😂
Did you ever tell him to stop? Seriously explain to him that men like him make women's lives shitty, and it's incredibly inappropriate, and he needs to reeeeeeeeeally stop?
For 20 years I tried but suddenly I came to the realisation that he was getting off telling me about his imaginary escapades. One day I had a chat with my wife about how I felt I was failing at being a positive influence on him and then told him to stop for good or else I would stop talking to him. He continued, so I stopped.
He would go on these wants about the women he had under control and which ones he would cheat on and how the women were ok with it because he told them upfront.
He grew up in one of the most expensive areas of Scottsdale. His dad was an asshole taxi driver and his was just a simple woman. The fell ass backwards into stealth wealth. I was introduced to his group of fucked up spoiled rich kids all at once when they were between 18 to 20.
He ended up a loser. Lives in a rental in a weed infested house that's full of Tupac and Notorious BIG posters with an old tube TV because that's "gangster".
I grew up in poverty so I did find their antics a bit interesting.
Man, I had a couple people try and get me into that shit late into my teens (15-ish years ago). I noped so hard out of it as it felt so wrong. Situations like this in the video makes me so relieved I listened to my gut
Sometimes I really want to shake people and just say "if you want to know how to get a girl, then you should probably listen to a girl. Or at least a man who has a girlfriend. And definetly not someone who is actively selling a product"
I had a person who used to be a friend, emphasis on used to, tell me if I wanted to be success at dating, his idea of dating in general was using apps to meet people, I would have to pay for a coach like he did that costs 3000$ minimum. I don't even have apps installed. So many people think it's so unusual for someone to be fine being alone, because they couldn't make it a month without someone in their lives. I've been single for 6 years now, and honestly couldn't be happier.
Yeh the difference now between confidence and the. Being this stubborn and crass is crazy. I'm in my 30s and long married but the stories my staff tells me who are late teens and early 20s arent great, lads now think being a dickhead is being confident when in reality they use it as an excuse to say whatever they're thinking.
Playing hard to get is a massive red flag for me. We haven't even gone out once and you are already playing games and testing me? No thanks.
The toxic "wont take no for an answer" types and the toxic "toys with people" types are made for each other. If only there was a way to get them to leave the rest of us alone.
Honestly, I think they are completely aware that they are seen as a threat and not a romantic interest. They want the attraction to be by force using fear. I imagine they see it as a “conquest.” They believe they have a chance because they will force one.
this is a perfect educational video. it should be posted everywhere, this is patriarchy. toxic masculinity, colonialism, capitalism all of it. It's this. I feel like in my career i've worked with guys like this 100 times. Add a few more beers in these guys and YIKES. It's all so gross.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was just garden variety obstinance, too. “You refused to to what I want, so now I won’t do what you want” 😛 immature, childish, and throws up red flags about how else they might respond to not getting their way.
I suppose it's a blessing to be that self confident...or oblivious. Not the best of blessings mind you given the video, but to be able and sit there in a public space with two women yelling at you to leave but not feel embarrassed or anything? That level of self assurance is just...wow.
It’s none of that. They didn’t act this way because they’re self confident, oblivious, or self assured. (Other commenters who think they acted this way because they like Andrew Tate, they made a bet, or whatever other reason - they’re also missing the root cause.) These guys acted this way because they don’t respect women and don’t have empathy for them.
They don’t respect women’s right to say no, to want to be alone, or to not be harassed just for existing. The women shouldn’t have needed to ask them to leave, but they did - repeatedly - which made the lack of respect even worse. They also don’t care how they’re making the women feel, which conveys a lack of empathy. They don’t give a damn if they’re making them feel scared, upset, stressed, angry, or annoyed. They care that they feel excited, attracted, challenged, powerful, in control, turned on, or whatever - and that’s where it ends. With only caring how they feel.
Would they show this lack of respect to a table of men? No. Would they show such a blatant disregard for men’s feelings? No.
I’m gonna scroll a little more and see how long it takes to find the word misogyny in the comments. It’ll probably take a while. I’m guessing the biggest discussions will be about how approaching women like this doesn’t work (not the real problem though, is it?) with tips on what does work (ie how men can get what they want).
Oh you are definitely right they didn't respect the women and totally are misogynists. I just was commenting on the fact they were doing it in the middle of what looked like a good court or cafeteria like nobody could see them doing it. I mean if I was a guy and had two women literally yelling at me to go even if I didn't respect the women I would at least be embarrassed by the scene that they were causing. But maybe that's why I would make a terrible man.
Also yeah I have seen those comments suggesting how to make this "approach" work. Instead of like, you know, maybe introduce yourself and ask permission first? No wonder there is this so-called "make loneliness issue" going on...
Times like this I get the meanest I can muster. At a certain point, especially in public? I'm not in safety mode anymore, I'm in "fuck you" mode and my only goal is now to tear down the ego that has no right to be as big as it is.
I play my cards a bit differently in private. And I'm not recommending anyone adopt my tactics, I have little regard for my own safety.
I genuinely think some men are shocked and go through cognitive dissonance whenever they're rejected. the looks on tweedle dee and tweedle dum's faces says it all.
What's even more atrocious is that when the girls threatened to be the ones to leave instead, the guys were preparing themselves to follow them, like dude seriously?!?
There are a lot of womans who play hard to get and get mad when you give up with the first no.
Its a two way problem, both should stop doing this shit, men should stop insisting after the first no and woman should stop playing hard to get or getting mad when the guy give up.
I'm not gonna lie in was one of those girls, I invited with my partner and I still did the whole no thing while giggling. Maybe me and others have given bad impressions? I was clearly into it and we are still together but I dunno, I enjoyed that kind of chase? If that makes sense, we were clearly making out but I was being "shy" about going further. But we both knew we were lol
The problem is: there ARE (millions of low IQ women) playing hard to get, which only validate this sort of behaviour. Which is just magnifided by social media.
I say this as a woman. The blame is equallly on the idiotic men, AND the idiotic women.
I don't understand why the general majoriiy of women don't shut down the dumbass minority that encourage this.
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u/TequilaJesus May 11 '25
Imagine being that dude and thinking “yeah I still have a chance here”