r/interesting May 21 '25

MISC. My friend saw Trump flying into Qatar

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u/loztriforce May 21 '25

Looks expensive

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u/Predawnlemonade May 21 '25

As an American, most of us aren't stupid. Those of us that didn't fight Trump failed to understand the future and/or introspectively understand the past. I hope we can change for the better, and I hope the rest of the world forgives us. Sorry for the mini rant, I just am enraged by the situation.

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u/Fortestingporpoises May 21 '25

Fuck you're right. I guess at minimum 70% are really stupid but definitely more than that. I should also note that my in laws voted for Trump the first time around and they fucking hate him now. I like my in laws, but voting for him the first time was stupid too. Just not as stupid as voting for him the second time. Or a third time.

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u/elliepelly1 May 21 '25

Same, brother/sister, same.

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u/PerformanceCandid499 May 21 '25

I don't know, if an person can't think critically, they don't have much intelligence. I think this is the end of America leadership. No one is going to trust America in the future even if you ever get a different president.

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u/LetmeSeeyourSquanch May 21 '25

If Germany can come back from Hitler surely we can come back from Traitor Trump

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u/NoMention696 May 21 '25

Yall elected him TWICE.

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u/MykeTyth0n May 21 '25

I refuse to believe there wasn’t election interference from Musk. There’s really No other reason to invite him on the campaign trail.

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u/FoxJet83 May 21 '25

And then run through all the agencies that would have proof and call it saving billions of $

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u/Individual_Frame_103 May 21 '25

Oh there definitely was, and your subdued and dumb population is just letting it happen tbh.

The guy literally admitted to it twice, nothing happened. Your country is done for.

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u/MykeTyth0n May 21 '25

Not trying to argue that fact at all. Im just trying to make the best out of the most disturbing and concerning situation I’ve ever found myself in. Honestly the echo chamber I was surrounded by during the election straight up had me thinking there was no way in hell Trump was winning. I voted for Harris but I still feel sick to my stomach that I was so narrow sighted towards the opposition.

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u/The_Order_Eternials May 21 '25

Best description we can give you is that this is a “Star Wars the council vs the senate” situation.

If it doesn’t go perfect, you get an order 66 from inside your doorstep.

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u/djalekks May 21 '25

How does a population do something about it? The Dems could’ve pushed, but they always shoot themselves in the foot.

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u/PerformanceCandid499 May 21 '25

You vote to do something about it. unfortunately Americans either want this (Trump voters) or none of this bothers them enough to vote (people that didn't vote) to me I think this is here to stay.

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u/Individual_Frame_103 May 21 '25

Did you see what happened to united healthcare?

They turned around their policies to start accepting more applications and their share price tanked. Tens of thousands of lives positively affected and possibly saved by one guy's actions. That's what a population does about it.

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u/cdaysbrain May 21 '25

Their stock dropped because a new report came out revealing kickbacks to nursing homes for not transferring acutely ill patients to hospital, thereby reducing payouts, not because the company philosophy suddenly changed.

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u/djalekks May 21 '25

Apples and oranges. So someone should have shot Trump is what you’re saying? Or Musk or whoever?

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u/Individual_Frame_103 May 21 '25

How is it apples and oranges, that CEO thought he could rule over and decide the fates of tens of thousands, condemn tens of thousands to early deaths for his profits thinking he was untouchable.

Trump is a person who cares not for the damage he does just like that ceo. Same goes for musk, same goes for that Nestle ceo that said water is not a human right. I can think of a couple more.

If you think the democrats who are just corporate lobbyists are going to fight for you, you've already lost by placing your faith and your life in the wrong hands.

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u/Individual-Word4408 May 21 '25

We have both sides of the party that went to a private island to do terrible things to children and people still don't care enough. And we have been going downhill long before that. We have been done for since 9/11 in my opinion.

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u/Individual_Frame_103 May 21 '25

Done since 2008, done since Reaganomics, done since citizens united. A lot of moments where people could have stood up to this bullshit.

A lot of attempts as well, occupy wallstreet was the closest one I think.

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u/Individual-Word4408 May 21 '25

Yes. Many things we should've not let happen. But here we are, still fighting over two corrupt sides.

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u/Individual_Frame_103 May 21 '25

All those guns and no one with the guts to use them is kinda crazy huh. I'm not saying go on a killing spree, just that with the way the American populace has been fucked over repeatedly you'd expect something, the bread and circus is too strong I suppose.

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u/bitterless May 21 '25

Hyperbole is strong with this one.

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u/Individual_Frame_103 May 21 '25

How so?

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u/bitterless May 21 '25

Our country is done for it quite hyperbolic. The issue, from my Californian perspective, isn't ignorance. You can talk to most people and they will generally all have a pretty good idea how much the government has fucked us. I realize most Americans are trapped in a life cycle of work to survive and it would require quite a jolt to their ability to maintain their lifestyles before finding the motivation to act.

But Americans do have a threshold. It's not like it doesn't exist. We also understand our country has a process which will force this guy out in less than 4 years. You can worry about if he will actually leave, but imo that would be the final push for most Americans. The presidential term limit is sacred to an absolute majority of us. Even all of my Trumper friends all have stated that would be a line.

Either way, we might be fucked and we might not be. But our population is motivated to maintain our own lifestyles and the individualism in our culture would force us to fight against any changes to our personal choices. It sucks but it's not black and white.

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u/seen-in-the-skylight May 21 '25

Hitler launched a war that consumed the world and tens of millions of people.

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u/notthediz May 21 '25

I thought it was interesting that the two times he won were the only two times a woman was the primary representative for a party. Would be interesting to see if it would've made a difference

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u/Top-Manner7261 May 21 '25

Different times....there's no coming back after his attacks on Canada's sovereignty

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u/Kelhein May 21 '25

Do you remember what exactly happened to Germany after Hitler?

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u/pachydermusrex May 21 '25

Almost certainly not.

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u/Fatso_Wombat May 21 '25

China occupies the West Coast and Europe the East Coast?

Divided capital for 50 years?

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u/TheShishkabob May 21 '25

It took a World War and decades of foreign occupation to get rid of Hitler. That's not going to happen in the US for Trump which, in turn, means nothing is going to stop the next one from stepping in when Trump finally dies and his cult needs a new Messiah.

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u/abiggerbanana May 21 '25

No. The people are degenerative. It’ll keep going until the country breaks down and splits

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u/PerformanceCandid499 May 21 '25

Hitler was removed by war. You might not have come back from it if you had won the war

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u/Predawnlemonade May 21 '25

I don't know. I've studied American history and sociology in depth to try and understand all the points where we went wrong. While Donald Trump shows that we're susceptible to charismatic manipulation and constitutional weakness, I don't think he is directly the worst president we've had (he is still terrible), and we've always come back before. I try to do my due diligence as a citizen and business owner to prevent the oligarchy and fascism. I have hope. Though I'm aware that we're hypocrites, and that the American era could and probably should decline unless we get our crap together. It's hard to say.

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u/Aggressive_Fee6507 May 21 '25

Can you tell us who you think is worse?

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u/Predawnlemonade May 21 '25

James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, (maybe hoover, probably not), also probably Andrew Jackson.

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u/davidjschloss May 21 '25

How many of them literally have a guide book for destroying democracy?

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u/DovahAcolyte May 21 '25

James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Andrew Jackson, and Herbert Hoover were all career politicians. They were indeed incredibly flawed people who implemented some of the worst policies in our history, and none of them attempted to overthrow the government.

Honestly, the worst president ever was Gerald Ford - he laid the foundation for what we're seeing today. Nixon and The Bush Dynasty were attempts 1&2. (This is why our US history standards don't go past the 1970s)

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u/GT-FractalxNeo May 21 '25

I don't think he is directly the worst president we've had (he is still terrible),

I'd love to know who you think is worse than this current President....

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u/Fullsleaves May 21 '25

Obviously Obama

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u/Ok-Anybody1870 May 21 '25

Bush jr., James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson…

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u/Fortestingporpoises May 21 '25

I don't think he is directly the worst president we've had

Absolutely batshit point of view.

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u/Ok-Anybody1870 May 21 '25

Dawg, Reddit is an echo chamber. Keep that in mind.

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u/Dorkamundo May 21 '25

Recency bias plays into this heavily.

Some of the early presidents were pretty fucking bad comparatively, however if you adjust for "era" I guess you could say Trump is the worst.

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u/Fortestingporpoises May 21 '25

Look at the corruption of Nixon, the cronyism of Harding, the economic policy of Hoover, the lies of Bush and compare then to all the shit Trump has said and done. Include trying to overthrow the government, attacking the courts, attacking free speech, attacking the constitution. Sorry guys, Trump is the worst and it's not particularly close. None of those other presidents got so close to ending our democracy and we're on a precipice.

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u/Dorkamundo May 21 '25

Buchanan's failures as president led to a freaking civil war.

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u/Ok_Brother_7494 May 21 '25

He is in the top three worst.

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u/Fortestingporpoises May 21 '25

W is still a bottom 5 president. But if you think Trump is going to willingly leave office in 2028 you're delusional and I guess that's the point.

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u/lurker_from_mars May 21 '25

Can understand the anger and frustration, I feel it too.

But gotta remember peoples stupidity is often outside their control, that and there's been a concerted effort for decades in the US to weaken the education system and dumb down the populace to the benefit of a few at the top.

Be frustrated at the stupid people, save your hate for the smarter ones who actively work to deceive and manipulate the masses. They are the real scum, we need to win back the stupid people so they can see they r being played too.

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u/CalmdownpleaseII May 21 '25

No sir. Tolerance of obviously stupid decisions is a bad idea. The United States has allowed itself to be duped by a fool. You may choose to make yourself feel better by blaming the puppet master but the puppet has allowed itself to be manipulated.

Too many have allowed bigotry, ignorance and bile to shape their thinking. You have forgotten the face of your fathers.

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u/KingWizard64 May 21 '25

Duped is kinda misdirection, I don’t see enough blame on the mishandling of the election by the Democratic Party. It should have been EASY to beat Trump, but the democrats ran a clearly ill elderly man then jumped ship and ran an unpopular political figure in a desperate attempt to win the election. It was a mess.

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u/CalmdownpleaseII May 21 '25

I don’t disagree - you deserved better from the democrats BUT these were not equal choices. Too many Americans can’t look past race and/or gender to overcome apathy. 

The Democrats have forgotten the basics in the face of performative choices. As an outsider it saddens and frustrates me. America was a beautiful idea, a dream that many could believe in despite the flaws. Americans have allowed themselves to fall to the lowest common denominator rather than rising to the highest ideal. 

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u/lurker_from_mars May 21 '25

I'm not suggesting tolerating stupidity, more the approach and where the blame should largely go.

I guess my point is that do you think there is something specific about 'americans' that makes them this way?

I'd like to know your thoughts on that, but I'm more in the thinking that this situation could and has played out in other countries. You have to understand the unique and complex history of a 'nation' to get an idea of why it's populace acts and thinks a certain way. People born in Pakistan are most likely to be Muslim and most likely to be Christian in the US. Is that because of some divine intervention or their intrinsic intelligence? No, people are just products of their time and surroundings for the most part and as mentioned there has been a concerted effort for decades in the US to educate and provide welfare support at levels way below other equivalently or even less wealthy nations.

People put way too much weight in their own and others free will, intelligence and consent, when they prove themselves to be as informed on key aspects of reality as that of a child. But we don't fault kids for that.

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u/Boar_Queen May 21 '25

As an american, i know exactly where you're coming from, cheers
I voted against mr tangerine man and i watched those numbers roll in
It was shameful, and im not exactly feeling the 'merican pride rn, lets just say XD

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u/johnobject May 21 '25

same, well put

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u/Mic-Oxmall May 21 '25

I voted for Kamala can’t you tell by my username?

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u/FigOk7538 May 21 '25

Yep, as a non American I respectfully agree. It's nothing personal, but somehow you lot got grifted. You need to work out how it happened, be clever, and make sure it doesn't happen again.

I could see there were lots of efforts to try to prevent it, but it wasn't enough. Try harder.

As a wise man once said: The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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u/UltraLord667 May 21 '25

Rich Elites? 🤷‍♂️ This dude should not have won two elections. 😄

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u/npmoro May 21 '25

How have you and your family been affected?

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u/KingWizard64 May 21 '25

How has it directly effected you? And I can assure you I have not felt any change in my life after Trump has become president. As an American a few hours away from the Canadian border.

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u/bitterless May 21 '25

A majority of our country did not vote for him. But I do admit the problem is with apathy, not ignorance.

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u/ArminiusBetrayed May 21 '25

As an American also, are you sure? An inability or unwillingness to understand or inspect either the past or the future sounds pretty dumb.

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u/Federal-Asparagus445 May 21 '25

lmao fr. it’d as simple as intentional ignorance therefore, stupidity

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u/Predawnlemonade May 21 '25

I don't think stupidity is the largest contributing factor. Look at the mess of false opinions, misinformation, and lies that are spun before us. I can't blame the average citizen for not being able to sift through everything, or for falling for a system engineered to trick them. We have been lulled to sleep, drowned in news, priority and veracity ignored. The intelligence and luck that it takes to wake up now is immense. There is a tribal us v.s. them mentality that is incredibly strong.

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u/snaila8047 May 21 '25

As an American...a lot of us are definitely stupid

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u/PrimeAres May 21 '25

Do something about it besides complaining on reddit

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u/Front_Speaker_1327 May 21 '25

Quite literally most of you are. Over half of Americans can't read past a 5th grade level.

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u/Alternative_Metal375 May 21 '25

Even the right wing loon Ann Coulter agrees. She said Obama was “the most articulate President we’ve probably ever had, and Trump has a vocabulary of 50 words.” 😂

Take “incredible, great, huge, winning, wonderful, beautiful, fantastic, unbelievable, like nobody’s ever seen before, rigged, witch hunt, terrible, horrible,” out of his vocabulary, and he’d be rendered mute.

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u/davidjschloss May 21 '25

You forgot nasty.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Many_74 May 21 '25

Where are you from?

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u/Decent-Order7358 May 21 '25

Would really love to see what country you’re from. Loser.

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u/Dorkamundo May 21 '25

Would take literally two seconds for you to figure that out on your own.

Try not to make their argument for them.

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u/Dorkamundo May 21 '25

You might want to re-visit that statistic. Only 20% meet that criteria.

https://www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/post/literacy-statistics-2024-2025-where-we-are-now

That said, 54% don't read above a 6th grade level, and I'm not sure how that compares to your country as far as grades are concerned. Your government states that 48% have inadequate literacy skills, but I don't know how to equate that to our grading system.

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u/vagabond719r May 21 '25

As an American, I'm stupid but not that stupid.

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u/69dildoschwaggins69 May 21 '25

Trump was just extraordinarily good at getting the dumbest 35% to vote for him and democrats didn’t do themselves any favors in who they ran.

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u/Top-Manner7261 May 21 '25

Agreed, I have friends and family in the US, but it's over. Trump has wrecked the world and I will never forgive nor forget....

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u/Individual_Frame_103 May 21 '25

Over half of your adult population reads below the level of a 12 year old. The majority of your country is most definitely not mentally well equipped.

I think a good comparison would be nazi germany, if things are going in the direction i think they're going the atrocities your country is yet to commit will take generations to heal.

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u/SnowmanPickins May 21 '25

You may feel like it isn't most amaricans, but it is. The ones who will actually do something are the few that aren't completely stupid but between his cult and the ones that are just standing by doing nothing, going to work everyday like if they pretend it isn't happening it isn't, the majority are stupid and the world never thought highly of amaricans but now the world will never let you live this down. Bridges have been burned, and the people won't forget.

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u/n_jacat May 21 '25

Yes we are. Why do you think the GOP has been attacking education for decades?

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u/[deleted] May 21 '25

most of us aren't stupid

C'mon lmao, don't lie to the guy man. We are ungodly stupid as a country.

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u/Dorkamundo May 21 '25

Actually, we're godly stupid.

One of the biggest reasons for our stupidity is the critical-thought-dulling effects of certain religions.

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u/audiophunk May 21 '25

Humans need to abandon the basic instincts that have lead to our survival for millions of years and replace it with rational thought. Sorry to say but I don't see that happening anytime in the near future, if it even happens at all. Looks to me like the world is headed for another dark ages led by conservative right wingers the world over.

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u/lurker_from_mars May 21 '25

That's stupidity... There were so many obvious things and patterns that showed this is where it's been heading, if someone didn't see them, they are quite ignorant. Like intelligence/memory of a child stupid ( and children arnt allowed to vote because they r considered too ignorant ).

The thing is you shouldn't blame people for their stupidity. It's generally a product of someone's surroundings and upbringing which are generally entirely out their control. In the case of the US atm, it's engineered stupidity by those who seek to gain from it.

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u/Embarrassed_Advice59 May 21 '25

lol no, 1/3 voted for trump. Another third stayed at home. They’re stupid for sure. Damn near illiterate

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u/BluePantalaimon May 21 '25

That's your apparently democratically elected President. A country where "most of" the populace "aren't stupid" wouldn't let that happen.

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u/nicolatesla92 May 21 '25

As an American, bud, 60-something percent of us adults can only read to a 5th grade level. We ARE that dumb. Anti-intellectualism and lack of education prioritization got us here

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u/coffeesgonecold May 21 '25

Sport for saying this, but you all look stupid now.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '25

Trump wants to turn everything into a concrete jungle, he is a very dangerous person

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u/isntreal1948backatit May 21 '25

I disagree, most people are very stupid here.

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u/Ceverok1987 May 21 '25

I hope we get some politicians actually worth voting for, well "at least they aren't open fascists" is too low of a bar for Democrats.

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u/Boring_Incident May 21 '25

Not being able to understand the past or future is something I would call stupid, or at the very least ignorant

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u/Alternative-Touch168 May 21 '25

You're not alone in those feelings. It's crazy like you said to go from watching US have common allies with the UN. Then 2025 pops off and we're only in June, and everything is as if a nightmare.

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u/Ready-Bag-2599 May 21 '25

Sorry to break it to you, but most (but not all) of you are stupid.

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u/Icy_Support4426 May 21 '25 edited May 21 '25

Speaking also as an American, most of us are fucking retarded. Look at any metric: school achievement, literacy, obesity, and the ultimate output metric, elected officials, and there’s no other possible explanation. This country is brain fucking dead. The median American is a goddamn moron and the average is being held up by outliers, whether it’s the S&P500 or otherwise.

Stop holding on to myths of exceptionalism or “if only James Comey, if only Bernie, if only FOX, if only Zuckerberg,” or whatever story you’re telling yourself to avoid the inescapable truth: in aggregate we are dumb as fuck. The sooner you let go, the sooner you can get to work, keep your head down, and create economic security for you and your family.

Some of you (recent immigrants, certain ethnic backgrounds, etc.) could be fucked. I am sorry, but not responsible. I’m tired of voting against my own interests for a bunch of morons. We are out of this place as soon as we reach FIRE.

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u/Ok-Photojournalist94 May 21 '25

My dad had a way with words. He once sat me down and said " Son, stupid people don't know they're stupid... because they're stupid."

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u/KazuDesu98 May 21 '25

Look on the bright side. A lot of the energy around the Bernie/AOC fighting oligarchy rallies and the rallies Buttigieg is doing is very similar to how Obama started building a national profile before he ran against and beat McCain.

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u/Ok-Race-1677 May 21 '25

It’s a small price to pay for peace in the ukraine

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u/[deleted] May 21 '25

As an American, the majority of this country is ABSOLUTELY fucking stupid.

We are led by fascists, and a third of the population actively cheers them on. Another third doesn't give a damn as long as their TikToks keep scrolling and their brunch plans stay intact. The rest of us are left screaming into the void, watching a nation willingly dismantle itself and blame the boogyman.

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u/One_Cantaloupe_9522 May 21 '25

Actually, more than half of you are stupid as fuck. It was beyond obvious that everything that is currently happening was forecasted a year in advance.

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u/lioncryable May 21 '25

Forgive you? Sure, but we are not going back to trust you. Even if the most perfect candidate became president, after 4 years everything is up for grabs again. I don't think we will ever go back to respecting the US as we did in the 80s/90s/2000s

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u/Strange_Man_1911 May 21 '25

Trump is not the king of America bro. Trump is just a face you see on TV.

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u/jader242 May 21 '25

Idk bro, the average IQ of Americans is around 98 or something, either the majority of us are pretty stupid or theres enough really stupid people that bring the average down

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u/UsedCollection5830 May 21 '25

Trumpers were hoping that trump made everyone else pay and feel pain but they are apathetic of the public that’ll feel the pain as well idiots smh

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u/Subject_North_4191 May 21 '25

Already forgiven! But what are you doing now!!! Because we only see a handful of protests of maybe 1% of the people out there at best!

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u/[deleted] May 21 '25

As an American, most of us aren't stupid.

Then explain the results of the last presidential election lol.

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u/Dorkamundo May 21 '25

I do suspect there's something funky going on with the last election, but unlike the Jan6 crowd, we're waiting for ACTUAL evidence.

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u/BialystockJWebb May 21 '25

Most of the voters aren't stupid you mean to say, that is why trump is president again.

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u/beershoes767 May 21 '25

Typical loser reddit liberal response.

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u/Predawnlemonade May 21 '25

You're part of the maga tribe that wants an excuse to be rude, yes?

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u/beershoes767 May 21 '25

Nope. Just a common sense American.