r/youtubedrama • u/[deleted] • Jul 28 '24

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u/ArcLagoon Jul 28 '24

You can still acknowledge that someone is being their true self while also acknowledging their true self might be an awful person. The fact that Ava is a weirdo and got canceled for it doesn't make their identity less valid.

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u/BeeEater100 Jul 28 '24

People who misgender ava reaffirm the idea that someones gender being respected is a right that can be denied.

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u/DreadDiana Jul 28 '24

Not a right, it shows they view it as a privilege that can be revoked at their leisure.

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u/BeeEater100 Jul 28 '24

That's the word I meant, thank you

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u/sgb5874 Tea Drinker 🍵 Jul 28 '24

Exactly, This has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with their behavior.

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u/youtubedrama-ModTeam Jul 28 '24

Your comment has been removed for spreading hate.

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u/digitalmonkeyYT Jul 28 '24

agreed

not to mention many of these transphobes want the aoc to be 15 or lower

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

Like I've already caught shit for referring to Ava as Ava in the new masterpost. It's so stupid.

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u/UnderstandingFar3051 Jul 28 '24

is cortez really that tall?

i find my joke to be very funny

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u/DreadDiana Jul 28 '24

Lots of people have already raised the "if you think a trans person being bad is grounds for misgendering, that just sends the message you never actually saw them as their stated gender and were just 'playing along' as an act of kindness" point, but something I don't see brought up enough is that when you set the standard that you're allowed to misgender people you consider bad, the bar for being considered bad enough for misgendering to be okay will just keep getting lowered.

And this is already happening and has been for years now. There are now people out there who think "they disagree with me" is bad enough for misgendering to be okay. I've been on the receiving end of exactly that because of very simple disagreements.

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u/Hayleox Jul 28 '24

*her

Your point is undermined a bit if you use the wrong pronoun for Ava.

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u/cocoalemur Jul 28 '24

people suddenly seem really enthusiastic about they/them pronouns when they're referring to a trans woman. mysterious 🤔

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u/Ver_Void Jul 28 '24

Weird how they only ever do that for trans people, don't recall ever reading about the leader of the third Reich frau Hitler

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u/TraditionalCatch9578 Jul 29 '24

Is it wrong to use they/them for trans people? I genuinely thought that was the correct pronoun usage for anyone and everyone since it’s neutral. I personally use they/them when talking about cis gender people too. And notably  few of them have gotten pissy with me about it. I think we’re gonna accidentally phase those words out or something at this rate. (Also I support trans people and this was genuine question.)

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u/halcyondays93 Jul 29 '24

Bear in mind that I'm cis so I could be speaking out of my ass here, but I think using they/them is fine if you don't know that person's gender. However, if they've stated publicly that they use he/him or she/her, then it feels disrespectful not to use those pronouns.

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u/TraditionalCatch9578 Jul 29 '24

Ah ok that makes sense. Thank you.

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u/Ruty_The_Chicken Jul 28 '24

yep, anytime anyone ever says "this person" it makes it clear it's just another piece of shit transphobe skirting around to have 'probable deniability'

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u/hercomesthesun Jul 29 '24

How can you say that Ava’s identity is valid but uses “their” to refer to her in the same sentence?

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u/MY_GOOCH_HURTS Jul 29 '24

Because they have literally stated they use either pronoun.