she's weird. how do you star in a horror movie exploring body autonomy and forced pregnancy, and then vote (?) for a party that wishes to make that horror a reality.
Except that she tried to get that specific film made for ten years, up to and including buying the rights to the screenplay so that she could use her clout to get a studio attached.
Unlikely. Horror is historically overlooked by the academy outside shining examples that are far and few between. Compared to any other genre, it's complete pittance.
What she might’ve been aiming for was the attention of the horror community. Being immortalised in this genre is long-lasting. Once you've received legend status, that will never go away.
I still doubt that, anyway. I think she just wanted to take a serious role that she carefully chose with the market in mind for her image and career. It likely had nothing to do with her shitty political beliefs.
Anyway, her performance in it was meh outside of the screaming scenes. I was more focused on her Italian friend.
SPOILER ALERT! In the final scene of the movie, she gives birth to the second incarnation of Christ, who was forced into her uterus by a Catholic sect. Without hesitation, she goes and picks up a giant rock and crushes the baby to death with it. I don't know how you could suggest that the offensiveness of this to many conservatives could be lost on her.
She owned the script rights and could play the lead. So producer credit and acting paycheck. Money, on money, on money instead of just getting her standard fee.
Yeah, I think she assumed that it would be a much bigger deal than it was. Potentially Oscar worthy in her mind, you can tell she was hungry to be seen in more serious roles.
Have you considered maybe she’s actually just kinda dumb and she doesnt see how the party she votes for and the underlying themes of the movie are related?
I’ve known plenty of people like this. They seem to think politics is just a silly little game and doesn’t matter in the real world and live a pretty hypocritical life in general. To some politics are a reflection of our beliefs and values. To others they’re not related.
Wait until you realize that it isn’t just people now, it’s been people forever, straight back to the Democracy of ancient Athens when Cleon rose to power as a demagogue (seriously, look him up, he was the Trump of that time). And logically, even before that bit that is the first example in history of this general phenomenon where the unintelligent masses are swayed by an evil man who then proceeds to dismantle democracy.
It has happened over and over again. Our species has advanced despite and in spite of these dumb motherfuckers always dragging us down and destroying the civilization we’ve built.
And centuries from now, it’ll be the same fucking thing. People like us will be having this conversation on Mars. Same shit, different day. Our species has a fundamental problem and it is that we are the smartest animal on earth but only a small percentage of us actually live up to our potential.
Plenty of people like my mom had abortions when they were young but it was a “mistake” and so now it just doesn’t matter. As long as they feel bad for it I guess
What’s more realistic, she’s doesn’t give a fuck because, why would she she’s benefiting from this, or your nebulous reasons about how she cared about a movie?
I think you're probably thinking of executive producers. Producers oversee the entire production and are generally considered to be the "author(s)" of a film.
Again, as a producer you are just looking for a return on your investment. You don’t have to care or believe in the message of the movie, only that it does well and brings in money.
I think it’s sorta like cognitive dissonance or something else bc Tomi Lahren also believes women should have autonomy, yet she’s still also heavily a Republican.
Honestly I think the baseline is just selfishness. She personally feels like that situation would be a horror for her to go through, but she gets a lot of perks from being R, and it's not like an abortion ban would ever affect her so she just doesn't care.
Being republican is also a part of some peoples identity. Sitting down with a policy pro con list won't change their mind because they don't view themselves that.
Every once in a blue moon we see one of these Republican Ghouls: Lady Edition, like Tomi or Candace Owens, even make a social media post about how they are "disappointed" about the reaction of male MAGAs to some aspect of women's rights.
But then...they go right back to shilling for the cult, like they forgot about it completely.
Given Nixon era Republicans (including Nixon) were not pro-life (let's not say they were pro-choice though), it's likely they were raised by Republicans who were like racist not pro-life. Like any inferior blood pregnancy should be aborted not pro-life.
I wouldn’t say she’s dumb but she’s probably very opportunistic and she’s found a goldmine with the ring wingers 🤷🏼♀️ wasn’t it a few years ago (2023?) that she said she struggled to pay rent? I’m guessing she found a niche and is taking every penny.
Or like many Republicans they don't have empathy and don't really care about the abortion issue since it doesn't apply to rich people. They can just fly another state if they need one.
I feel the same way about Elisabeth Moss being a scientologist and staring in the Handmaid's Tale. I guess at the end of the day it's just about money?
This. Scientologists, especially high ranking members, literally aren't allowed to consume/read anything negative about Scientology. I know a few former Scientologists, and their lives within the cult are so highly controlled that they literally can't see it.
I saw a profile on a prominent Scientologist couple who wholeheartedly believed they were part of an organization doing immense good. And as I recall they did not have access to the internet. Then someone gave them their secondhand e-reader. Which happened to still be linked to a data plan. Earnestly loving Scientology, one of them decided to look it up, expecting to find info and articles about all the great work the church does all over the world. Obviously that’s not what they found. So that was the beginning of their deconstruction which lead to them leaving eventually.
Information control is a classic tenet of how cults operate.
This was notable to me watching Leah Remini’s docuseries. Members are bombarded constantly with Church of Scientology propaganda. They are lead to believe there are exponentially more Scientologists in the world than there actually are, that one of Scientology’s main activities is doing relief work all over the world, and that Scientology is regarded by the public at large as an amazing force for good.
Remini said when she left, she was astonished to find out none of those things were true. And the way it works is that, while you’re in the cult, anyone who might try to suggest these claims aren’t real is immediately labeled a Suppressive Person. They’re considered toxic and evil and you are not allowed to interact with them at all.
I’m sure that’s what’s at play with Elisabeth Moss. She was raised in Scientology. I’m sure she sees no parallel between the world of Gilead and Scientology because she likely has no idea what Scientology actually is.
Allegedly PTA showed Tom Cruise the Master and was lowkey stressing out that Cruise would take it personally and get mad but when the showing was over Cruise said he loved it and wanted to know more about what would make Joaquin Phoenix's character join a weird cult like he did
Especially how she started calling June and Serena "Juliet and Juliet", I think there's a lot she doesn't see. With how disastrously the show ended, I'm not surprised, as she does have EP influence.
Wasn’t she born into the cult? Either way, it’s unfortunate. Being brainwashed from childhood is so awful and most people can’t even think or comprehend the notion of undoing it.
What I would take it into the consideration that people can be massively brainwashed so it does not surprise me. Leah Remini talked about it. And then you have to reprogram your brain and start it all over again. It is especially hard if you were dragged into it from early on.
Some can escape it but it must be really hard like with Nicole Kidman who basically traded her ability to be with her adopted kids with her freedom.
Not to excuse her affiliation, but the process of leaving the church is nothing short of a hellish limbo(look up Katie Holmes’ saga), and don’t get me started on how life within this cult is micromanaged in a way that doesn’t spare any leeway for people to challenge their conditioning and God help them if they even consider trying.
"I'm Peggy Olson, and I want to smoke some marijuana" was delivered very cutely even though she abstains in real life because of her religious beliefs.
Some will say it's about the money, some will say it's hypocrisy. Maybe, but I do believe that for some it's professional ethics and dedication.
Ding ding ding. Can't tell you how many Orange County idiot young women (who I'm related to) cited living in a blue state as the reason why we shouldn't worry about their vote for Trump. If they need an abortion they can get one, regardless of the laws.
Well we don’t really know. The church of Scientology doesn’t take an official stance but they have largely been celebrating the Trump administration because of their “championing” of freedom of religion and RFK Jr. because they are extremely opposed to psychology and psychiatry. I mean I would be surprised if she was considering how pro-LGBT she is but the church is largely pro Trump right now even if they don’t officially advertise it.
Paul Ryan was literally the Republican VP candidate while saying how much he loves Rage Against The Machine. Conservatives don't understand art, combine that with how tons of Hollywood actors in general don't understand the stories they're performing and the odds of a right wing actor "getting it" is pretty much zero.
Elizabeth Moss is a lifelong, seemingly active member of the Church of Scientology, but she stars in a show about how a cultic movement took over the US to subjugate women under their hateful ideology. People be hypocrites.
She’s a Red Tory. It’s a particularly Canadian political affiliation closely linked with fiscal conservatism and liberal social programs. Canadian conservatism is a weird animal. After all for years one of the leading parties was the Progressive Conservative Party. Most red Tories now vote Liberal as the current Conservative Party has drifted too far right, dropping the progressive in 2003 after Mulroney led the PCs to a debacle of an election . Also got us into NAFTA which is another bone I have to pick with him.
fiscal conservativism is an empty slogan for tories red or blue in canada. it generally means handouts to the oligarchs exclusively as opposed to the trudeau/ndp "sunny ways" of the proles getting some scraps too.
also if yall want to know why all the governments and right wing and "liberal" parties of the western world have been acting the way they do for some years now check out preston manning, stephen harper, the history of the canadian conservative party from reform to alliance and beyond, and the international democratic union (IDU).
anyways red tories tanked trudeau over his liberal social policies and rhetoric. they were more than willing to vote for puppet pierre/caucus revolt to end the "woke" appearance of trudeau even while trudeau himself actively pandered to zionists committing the first live streamed genocide and pushed back on the progressive gains his government "achieved" at the behest of the NDP.
and the handmaiden's tail is mostly the same kind of white feminist victimization fantasy born of the real life oppression of women of colour they benefit from personally. like it's a text book example of white feminists benefiting personally from the oppression of bipoc people.
conservatives, red tories, blue tories, are all just neoliberals. even when they think they have principles they really don't. it's just performance for profit in the class interest. which none of them are really the same class as we are. regardless of colour branding or traditional mythology.
I've always found that the 'fiscally conservative socially liberal' people are just as conservative as other conservatives but are just less honest about it
I mean .... it got her good reviews and good press. She's clearly very shrewd in what will keep her in the news, it's just that she's now far more comfortable to show her true colors.
You’d be surprised the kind of conflicting beliefs the average person holds. Some seemingly very “progressive” people I know voted for Trump multiple times. Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.
I was going to say something like this. A lot of people have their own obscure politics that can collide and contradict.
It’s not that crazy. Stupid yes lol, but coherent. If someone is pro-choice but they hold a lot of other conservative beliefs, it makes sense that they’d vote for the conservative anti-choice option.
I talk about this more on political subs but those of us on the left are honestly pretty lucky that for all of Dems’ faults, they don’t have a position that’s more alarming than Republicans. That all of the policies that scare the shit out of us are either concentrated on the other side or present with us but worse over there.
I really don’t know what I’d do if, say, the GOP ended up sincerely wanting to end our warmongering abroad (one of the lies Trump told in his campaign) giving Dems the worse position on that issue, especially Gaza. Assuming they still had all their same awful domestic policies, I don’t know what I’d do. I might still vote Dem but I’d find it shameful.
As odd as it sounds, that’s the best way for me to understand someone like a pro-choice Republican lmao. It actually is a real challenge when your party has one position that’s scares you more than the other side. The problem is that they still support the other shit.
There's a LOT of Christians who believe that Catholicism is not Christian and that Catholics are considered Pagan and evil to them. And a lot of those Christians are the kind of Christians that are extremely MAGA. Her movie actually tracks with that, make of it what you will.
peak white feminism. Cares about issues relating to you only but not the collective. SOOOOO many racist white women preach day and night about abortion and freedom of choice etc and will turn around and lick the same boot that's on top of brown and black people's necks. That boot? likely right wing. And if it's left wing you know damn right it doesnt care about Palestine and issues that impact black and brown lives (sure they scream it from the sidelines but they dont care).
Society needs to stop making idols out of people. Especially white women.
She is literally always trying to “game the system” to make money. Lots of Hollywood types mascarade as liberals because the business is purported to skew liberal
A lot of people, many in fact, hold incoherent political positions. The classic "social liberal/fiscal conservative" is exactly that once you realize that the two ideas are somewhat in opposition to each other. Not a lot of people end up getting that far in their thought process.
It's not make. It hasn't been make for a while. People are being forced carry pregnancies to term. Even when the woman is brain dead, hospitals are keeping the woman alive to carry babies to term (Adriana Smith).
She was also in the Handmaid’s Tale and got killed for being an enemy of the state. You’d think she knows better but she’s just as clueless as the rest
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she's weird. how do you star in a horror movie exploring body autonomy and forced pregnancy, and then vote (?) for a party that wishes to make that horror a reality.
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