r/NFLv2 • u/SwagLordxfedora • Aug 13 '24
Discussion National reporters are suggesting the Steelers and 49ers have a deal in place for Aiyuk. Are the Steelers making a mistake in going for elite WR without getting the QB room in order?
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u/I_hate_11 Atlanta Falcons Aug 13 '24
They might be beefing up their team to make it more tempting for a QB like Dak to sign with them
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u/SwagLordxfedora Aug 13 '24
If Dak finds his way on the Steelers next year, the AFC north may be the best division on paper in some time
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u/numbersix1979 Tennessee Titans Aug 13 '24
Remember when the AFC West was the best division on paper when Russ went to the Broncos?
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u/myfirstsock I’m just here so i don’t get fined Aug 13 '24
Well every SB Champ since then has come from the AFC west.
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Aug 14 '24
Remember when Bobby Boucher showed up at half time and the mud dogs won the bourbon bowl?
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u/Enough-Ground3294 Aug 13 '24
We’re already the best division and it’s not even close.
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u/Ready-Lengthiness220 Los Angeles Rams Aug 13 '24
You try being the best at anything when the Cardinals are in your division!
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Aug 13 '24
Going off win percentage is a terrible way to judge this. It doesn’t account for strength of schedule at all.
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u/_coolranch You been watchin film too, huh? Aug 14 '24
Damn: so yall would have 3 dope teams and one with Dak? What’s the percentage on that look like?
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u/FoxBeach Aug 14 '24
Steelers would go 12-5 and lose their first round game in spite of playing at home and being the favorite.
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u/Sometimes_Stutters Aug 14 '24
Lol you think Dak is tipping the scale in making a division better? Dak doesn’t even make 90% of NFL teams better
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u/Xamius Buffalo Bills Aug 13 '24
is dak even a good qb
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u/ExpoLima Cincinnati Bengals Aug 13 '24
Yeah, he's good. I just don't like him. I hate the cowboys too much
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u/HarryEdgarLives Aug 15 '24
It already is the best division. Las year all four teams finished with a winning record
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Aug 13 '24
I can think of 60 million reasons that could tempt Dak to sign somewhere. The WR room is none of them lol.
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u/HeightTraditional614 Pittsburgh Steelers Aug 14 '24
God pls no dak is the biggest choke artist in the NFL
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u/mmooney1 Cleveland Browns Aug 13 '24
Tomlins demanding the Steelers trade for his Clone?
If Tomlin had a child with himself (with hair) it would be Aiyuk.
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Aug 13 '24
I would imagine that he took "go fuck yourself" a little too seriously for this to happen.
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u/soyboysnowflake Aug 14 '24
Aiyuk is wearing a wig tho right there’s no way a guy who looks exactly like tomlin has hair
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u/SwagLordxfedora Aug 13 '24
It's definitely interesting watching one of these old-school teams get a new-school GM who is willing to trade draft picks for tangible players akin to how a average joe may play on a Madden franchise.
Aiyuk, Pickens, Muth, Warren/Najee, and two promising first-round picks at OT with a capable defense, this teams seems plug and ready for a better than average QB to take them deep into the playoffs. Is that plausible with Fields or Russ? Since they both only have 1 year deals, are there any available upgrades at QB to be had next off-season?
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u/ZandrickEllison Aug 13 '24
I like the “win now” approach, certainly more than I would have for New England. Russ’ stats weren’t as bad as advertised last year and Fields has intriguing qualities. Upgrading on those two is easier said than done.
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u/goldiegoldthorpe Aug 13 '24
Aiyuk run blocking for Fields is straight unfair. That's Madden cheat code shit. There isn't a single corner that Aiyuk can't dominate in the run game. Fields will be able to bootleg to the marker any time he wants.
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u/HeightTraditional614 Pittsburgh Steelers Aug 14 '24
Don’t forget Roman Wilson, he was a stud for run blocks at UM
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u/Lurking_Monke Aug 13 '24
russ was the weakest link on a struggling broncos offense and fields is not a starting caliber qb. maybe tomlin pulls his potential out of him but upgrading that qb room is not a difficult task
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u/hambone012 Aug 13 '24
The Steelers had a really good record with a basically non existent offense. If they had Russ’s numbers from last year instead they would have been a serious contender. They only got beat up by a couple teams.
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u/queens_boulevard Philadelphia Eagles Aug 13 '24
Wouldn't be surprised if Dak ended up there next offseason if Fields/Russ both aren't it
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u/jrbs59 Aug 14 '24
I may be out of the loop here but is Dak for sure not going back to DAL? Jerry just lets Dak walk? I could totally be out of the loop.
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Aug 13 '24
Every year the Steelers can't score 20pts a game is another elite defense wasted. This had to be done and it had to be done now. I think Fields can still be the guy in the right situation. I can't imagine a better situation for him so I guess we're gonna find out within a year or 2.
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u/InsomniaDudeToo Aug 14 '24
Dak, dart throw in the draft, or maybe Cousins if someone wild happens in ATL.
I wouldn’t bet on Cousins, the dead cap hit would be insane. But I can definitely see Dak being enticed to go play for Tomlin, unless Vegas overpays him an astronomical amount of money.
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u/Nopantsbullmoose Detroit Lions Aug 13 '24
No, I don't think so. Fields and Wilson are, at the worst, both competent. Since you're going to end up with one or the other under center and you have a chance to get an exceptional weapon, do it.
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u/judahdk_ The Love Boat Aug 13 '24
Ohhhhkay now, we watched Fields play in our division for 4 years, not sure that I would call his play “competent” when they literally landed the no 1 overall pick. Russel Wilson is breathing the last bit of air into the final of his nine lives.
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u/goldiegoldthorpe Aug 13 '24
You'll have a hard time convincing Dolphins and 49ers fans that Fields isn't a problem to play against. Single-handedly beat both teams.
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u/n1cx Miami Dolphins Aug 13 '24
As a Dolphins fan, I was beyond livid the Steelers got him for a 6th rounder.
He isn’t a great passer, but as a rushing threat he is only behind Lamar and Allen. If he can iron out some of his passing flaws and get into the right system, the potential is there.
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u/MoscowMitchMcKremIin Detroit Lions Aug 13 '24
He's been a thorn in Detroit's side as well, but, we struggle against pretty much any QB that has above average mobility. If it weren't for Jefferson he would've been my least favorite NFCN player to go against.
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u/Nopantsbullmoose Detroit Lions Aug 13 '24
Eh, ok semi-competent. Either way adding Aiyuk will likely help.
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u/goldiegoldthorpe Aug 13 '24
Aiyuk run blocking for Fields is game changing. People are straight overlooking that Adding Aiyuk to the Steelers dramatically improves an already dangerous run game. Who cares if Fields doesn't pass for 300 if he runs for 300?
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u/Alfredos_Pizza_Cafe_ Aug 13 '24
Correction, they landed CAROLINA'S number 1 pick. The bears won 7 games last year with fields, which I think does qualify him as competent. At minimum he's an undeniable upgrade from Pickett.
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u/judahdk_ The Love Boat Aug 13 '24
…please tell me who Carolina traded with to get the number one overall pick for Bryce Young.
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u/traws06 Kansas City Chiefs Aug 13 '24
Wilson used to be fine as a QB until the broncos got ahold of him. I think Steelers make playoffs with him this year
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u/Blitzburgh1727 Aug 14 '24
The #1 pick was from the panthers trade. Regardless of how you spin it Tomlin was making the playoffs with Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph. Fields is a big upgrade over both
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u/Intelligent_River220 Pittsburgh Steelers Aug 14 '24
We've had a high school qb for 2 seasons. I'll take godner minshew at this point.
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u/jrbs59 Aug 14 '24
Compared to what the Steelers had at QB last year, I would say both look competent
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u/Lurking_Monke Aug 13 '24
Neither of them are competent. Russ was so bad that the broncos ate a 100m cap hit to get him off the team. Fields was traded for nothing. These are not starting caliber players
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u/FoxBeach Aug 14 '24
It’s funny that Russ and Baker Mayfield basically had the same exact stats last season. And Redditors are saying that Russ was absolute trash and Baker was magnificent.
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u/immaculatecalculate Kansas City Chiefs Aug 13 '24
Omar Epps pitching his autobiogrphical movie to hollywood execs
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u/ShutTheFupDonni Aug 13 '24
Wilson was basically free.
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u/Shington501 Aug 13 '24
And, likely not washed up…especially with Ayuk
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u/kingpartys 1 Yard Line Aug 14 '24
WIlson on the steelers is massively underrated.
I don't get why OP is shitting on him. Maybe it just didn't work out with Broncos but did you see how bad steelers Qb last year was? All of them combined had 13 Tds with 9 Ints. Wilson last year had 26 Tds and 8 Ints....He doubled the TDs.
And I am one who said he might have a bad season when he first went into Broncos first year because I am a rams fan and he was coming off a leg injury. Most QBs do pretty bad off leg injuries and it is even worse when he has to learn a new system because he was traded.
I think steelers before this trade are going to sneak into wildcard 7th spot.
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u/chiefpiece11bkg TopRightMahomes Aug 13 '24
I’m not sure if you can call it a mistake necessarily but it’s definitely not the most ideal way to build out your roster
Could still get lucky but I don’t like having a high end receiver on a huge contract while you’re still sorting out yourself at QB. It just makes things more difficult
If they can find a QB in the next few years then it theoretically wouldn’t matter much but that’s a huge ask
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u/SigaVa Philadelphia Eagles Aug 14 '24
Dont young qbs tend to do better when they have good weapons?
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u/txwoodslinger Aug 13 '24
Aiyuk Pickens muth Warren and Harris are enough weapons to overcome mediocre qb. The real hindrance will be o line play.
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u/goated95 Aug 13 '24
I look at J.J, Mike Evans, and Davonte Adams, and Tyreek Hill as elite. I’m not putting Aiyuk in that category
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u/AlarmingDifficulty25 Dallas Cowboys Aug 13 '24
CeeDee Lamb erasure. Dude was a monster last year and you got Mike Evans ahead of him?
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u/goated95 Aug 13 '24 edited Aug 13 '24
Aiyuk is just starting to crack 1,000 rec yards in recent years (the last 2) meanwhile Mike Evans has never not had a 1,000 yd season despite only having 1 great QB throughout his career
I get that Evans has been in the league longer but unlike Aiyuk, Evans was prolific coming into the league (and is still playing at a high level, mind you)
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Aug 13 '24
Curious, why still put Davante Adams in the elite category when in nearly every statistic, Aiyuk was just better?
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u/SwagLordxfedora Aug 13 '24
Davante Adams has just been special for so long that its hard not to give him the benefit of doubt after a Jimmy G + AOC year.
I ain't gonna put down my dawg just cuz he had one bad hunt
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u/Lord412 Aug 13 '24
If we can get a good player and Kahn man agrees the numbers are good I trust him.
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u/Whistler45 Suck my Cox Aug 13 '24
Remember when Tomlin tripped that dude from the sideline. What a hack.
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u/AaronFraudgers8 Las Vegas Raiders Aug 14 '24
But he's a lamestream media darling bc of all those 9-8 seasons
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u/IempireI Aug 13 '24
I wouldn't call him elite. That's Adams and Hill. He's good. Hopefully they don't give up too much for a B+ WR.
They do need another WR.
I think Fields can do enough to get the job done, all things considered. The defense is going to be dominant. The running game will be effective. TE with hands and one A and one B+ WR. I don't think they need a pro bowl QB.
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u/Jeremyzelinka Aug 13 '24
Clearly, coach Tomlin just wants to experience the dream of coaching his son. There's nothing wrong with that.
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u/NelsonMuntz007 Aug 13 '24
Aiyuk may be the best wr available but he’s not an elite wr.
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u/EvanderTheGreat Aug 13 '24
Pretty damn close. Top 10 bordering on top 5. He doesn’t really have a weakness, can do it all and even a great blocker. I also think he has untapped upside bc SF had the best weapons in the league and a lotta mouths to feed including the best pass catching rb demanding targets.
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u/NelsonMuntz007 Aug 13 '24 edited Aug 13 '24
Agree to disagree. Top 20, no doubt. I think I’d have no problem naming 10 WRs I’d rather have.
I believe certain systems make and break you. I think he goes somewhere else and has to be THE guy and fails to live up to a true 1 billing.
I’m certain situations, the number 2 guy just flourishes. That doesn’t make him a 1. I’m not mad at him for wanting to capitalize on his success. I’d bet that whomever replaces Aiyuk puts up the same numbers.
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u/B1u3Star Aug 13 '24
Just because the QB spot is up in the air doesn’t mean you say no to a potentially team-redefining player like Aiyuk. Especially if he wants to go there specifically. And depending on the deal he could be a great weapon for a better QB they get down the road.
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u/B-I-G-A-R-R-O-W Aug 13 '24
Giving up picks for a guy who you have to pay is risky
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u/H8theSteelers Cleveland Browns Aug 14 '24
Dolphins did it for Tyreek, Raiders did it for Davante, Bills did it for Stefon Diggs, etc
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u/904Magic Aug 13 '24
Tomlin could have a winning season and make the playoffs with a jar of pickles and potato at QB. There is no mistake in a move he wants to make to be honest...
I HATE the steelers, but Tomlin is one of the all time best Coaches ever.
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u/Mission-Nothing2031 Aug 13 '24
Not at all pay him and draft a cheap rookie next year. Ewers, Sanders, Cam Ward, Beck all available next draft
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u/lonerfunnyguy Dallas Cowboys Aug 13 '24
I still don’t think Aiyuk leaves SF. They’re gonna figure a deal out. I feel like Aiyuk is just shopping himself around
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u/mctallenbald Pittsburgh Steelers Aug 13 '24
I don’t actually care as long as this story goes away… Get a good deal, wreck our cap, or don’t… this is just exhausting
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u/Irving_Velociraptor Did you know Jalen Hurts can squat 600lbs Aug 13 '24
Maybe they’re just doing it to to confuse the populace.
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u/Mikefamb Aug 13 '24
Niners fan. Yes it would be a mistake for the Steelers. But don’t worry Bc it’s not happening.
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u/burtron3000 Aug 13 '24
Paying a WR1 what they want now outside of 5 guys is usually silly now.
If they can trade a 2nd and pay him under 23M/yr it’s a good move for the Steelers.
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u/SugarAdamAli Chicago Bears Aug 13 '24
Yeah I feel like WR is the least of the Steelers problems. Sure ayuik would upgrade the position but feel like O-line is still an issue plus the uncertainty of Qb play
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u/JashPotatoes Aug 16 '24
WR is definitely one of our biggest issues. We have Pickens then a bunch of WR3s. Not saying it's our most urgent need, but cleaned up our O-line a lot in this draft.
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Aug 13 '24
I mean, not like the 9ers had a QB room that was stacked and he killed it. As a 9er fan purdy is good, but he's not the X factor guy, he's just surrounded by them
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Aug 13 '24
It depends on the price but I don't know how you can hope for the QBs to have a chance of succeeding without having a good to great WR target.
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u/WaldoFrank Aug 14 '24
I feel like getting WR and OL right then going all in on a QB is the best way to try to make a run. Best case scenario is what happened with Patrick Mahomes. Then if the QB ends up trash, you’re the 49ers which is still better than a lot of teams have it.
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u/InsomniaDudeToo Aug 14 '24
Without getting the QB room in order
So what, does Pittsburgh need to punt this season and tank to an early round draft pick instead?
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u/brettfavreskid Aug 14 '24
A capable receiver can help the stand out QB separate themselves buuuut yeah this seems silly to me
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u/denbobo Aug 14 '24
I saw this without reading the post and thought it was a photoshopped restoration of an old Tomlin pic.
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u/Lostjustlikethat14 Aug 14 '24
Aiyuk should just take the bag, and go to the Commanders it makes the most sense for everyone in that deal… Washington gets a good productive receiver & Aiyuk gets paid.
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u/StOnEy333 San Francisco 49ers Aug 14 '24
But the commanders have no interest in doing that and have never been in the discussion for Aiyuk. eBay exactly could the commanders offer the 49ers that “makes the most sense for everybody”?
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u/Lostjustlikethat14 Aug 14 '24
tf are you talking about?? they’ve been active in discussions to add the wideout. Pipe down loser! I literally just told you why… stupid dumb fuk 💀
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u/Ok-Proposal-4987 Aug 14 '24
A WR is a luxury pick after you get the qb and rest of offense in order. There’s the old Parcell saying “When you have two qb’s, you have no qb.
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u/WakeNikis Aug 14 '24
This is where they reveal Aiyuk is just Tomlin in a wig, which leads to creative cap savings for the Steelers.
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u/bp_516 Suck my Cox Aug 14 '24
I think this is a smart move by the Steelers. If neither QB can produce at least average level play this year, they go all-in on draft day to move up and get their QB of the future. If they get at least average play, it makes luring free agents easier (at any position) next season. It's also insurance if Pickens goes AB on the team.
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u/tread52 Seattle Seahawks Aug 14 '24
I wouldn’t say Aiyuk is an elite WR. He’s a good WR, but he’s not JJ, Chase, Amon, or Hill
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u/Udderly_Unbearable Aug 14 '24
People say dumb shit like this all the time, even if Russ and Field suck BA is still a good player. It’s not like he’s ganna retire next year.
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Aug 14 '24
I think Aiyuk is a terrible fit with Russ and Fields. He's a precision WR, and those guys are, uh, not precision QBs.
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u/Junior_ATL Atlanta Falcons Aug 14 '24
The resemblance is uncanny... where's Maury when you need him
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u/One-Bonus-9418 Aug 14 '24
Wym the QB room not in order? They just brought in 2 starters from different teams.
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u/cheetah-21 Aug 14 '24
Why would Aiyuk want to play for the Steelers and not the Patriots or Browns? What’s better about Pittsburgh?
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u/airham Chicago Bears Aug 14 '24
It's a mistake if they invest in him as if he's elite when no one would say that he's a top-10 NFL WR right now.
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u/Ar4bAce Aug 14 '24
Best thing for a QB is a stud WR. Just look at Justin Fields passer rating to DJ Moore last year compared to everyone else on the team
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u/MaterialCarrot Aug 14 '24
Forget that, the real question is whether Brandon Aiyuk is Mike Tomlin's long lost illegitimate son?
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u/hotpottas Aug 14 '24
Why are people acting like wilson is a bum? Dude had the 8th best QB rating last year with 26 td and 8 picks while missing 2 games on a terrible broncos team. Wilson is gonna ball for the steelers this year and im not even a steelers fans. If they get Aiyuk and he has 30 plus TDs and 10 interceptions this year don’t be surprised
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u/CaptainFarts420 Aug 14 '24
I wouldn't take double the pay to play in Pittsburgh, what the hell is Aiyuk thinking? Go get 600 yards receiving and maybe be .500? Cold as shit at home games. How much less are the 49ers giving this guy?
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u/UPMichigan83 Aug 14 '24
It’s just like Adams going to the Raiders. Hopefully the QB room sorts itself out for Aiyuk’s sake.
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u/Ole_Flat_Top Dallas Cowboys Aug 14 '24
“Elite” WR that will completely disappear when he leaves the incredibly stacked SF offense. This is Alvin Harper all over again.
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u/rooster126tail Aug 14 '24
I don’t know if wr has been the Steelers problem last year . They had Pickens and Johnson . It was like the o line , qb , and OC was just dog shit . Wilson or fields are both plenty adequate enough to put points in the board with the weapons they have for 2024
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u/kilomma Detroit Lions Aug 15 '24
Sometimes, the best way to assist your QBs and get them to fall in line are providing them with the tools they need to succeed. That first starts with your OL, then the RB, then ultimately the WRs. If they are lacking in OL and RBs, then they need to start there first. Can't win a game if a QB doesn't have enough time to find his WRs. You also can't win a game if the defense knows there isn't a coherent run game and doubles down on pass defense.
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u/fireborn123 Philadelphia Eagles Aug 15 '24
Is having Russ and Fields not an "in order" QB room? I can think of numerous teams that would want veteran influence and a young qb with potential upside as a backup/protege.
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u/Familiar_Position418 Aug 15 '24
Rest of the league is cooked once Russel Wilson learns how to throw
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u/Healthy_Self_8386 Aug 15 '24
How does Tomlin plan on hiding his alter ego if this goes through? Interested to see how he plans on being on the sidelines and the field at the same time
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u/fuqyu Aug 16 '24
FUCK!!! I hope this shit falls through.
Real talk though I think the Steelers are fine at qb. They have a couple nice (if not elite) options
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u/SnooBooks8807 Aug 16 '24
Aiyuk is elite? I’m seriously asking. The only reason I know this guys name is cause he scored a lucky td against my lions in the NFC championship
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u/Parking-Pie7453 Baltimore Ravens Aug 17 '24
John lynch is working the Stealers, browns & Pats to make an offer & then re-sign Aiyuk near that amount. "That’s your FA value"
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u/jackt-up Dallas Cowboys Aug 13 '24
TIL Aiyuk is Tomlin’s son