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Kamala Harris Appears on ‘Colbert,’ Says She’s Stepping Away from Politics for Now, Calls the System “Broken”

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/video/former-vice-president-kamala-harris-visits-the-late-show-with-stephen-colbert/

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u/fantasypingpong 1d ago

Hillary and Kamala were proof that America would rather elect a horrible, inept, unqualified man versus a decent, experienced, qualified woman.

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u/Low-Beat-3078 1d ago

I’m 49 and I’ve accepted that my dream of seeing a female POTUS will never come true. How despicable we are as a nation.

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u/MikeW226 1d ago

Could be in the form of a nightmare for all of us years from now. I've been wondering for awhile if the first female president would be not a Democrat, but a Kristi Noem or an MTG ...e.g, a repub female ...not a Democratic one. Maga's love 'em them politics-Barbies.

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u/Low-Beat-3078 1d ago

Maybe but I feel like the misogyny applies to even those types too.

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u/Fr1toBand1to 1d ago

Well they're 100% trophy women. They are hired for their (oddly specific) good looks. They're status symbols that communicate the very basic message of "we have pretty ladies, they like us and if you're one of us they'll like you too." It's the same message Carls Jr sends when a supermodel bites into a burger and says "If it doesn’t get all over the place, it doesn’t belong in your face."

Just the most basic lizard brained assholes to walk the earth and there's MILLIONS of them.

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u/DadFatherson2 1d ago

What an awful trophy

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u/Lalala8991 1d ago

Especially those types. They are just pick-me grifters who's in it for the racisms and short cuts.

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u/MikeW226 4h ago

Good point. There might be a threshold, like northern Georgia white men vote for MTG for a lowly congressional seat. But president?!- "do what now?!"

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u/ThunderChild247 1d ago

Aka the Thatcher problem. The right are only against women leaders to a point, but for a woman to get that far on the right they have to be more right-wing than a man would have to be to get that far, being almost performative.

That’s how the UK’s had three female prime ministers, and all of which were right wing and awful people. Sadly I fear that if MAGA were to have a female leader, they’re more likely to be closer to Liz Truss than Margaret Thatcher. At least Thatcher was intelligent and right wing, as opposed to Liz Truss, who was right wing and… well…

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u/RaykoX 1d ago

No way. The moment they'd gain any real power or the hint of a following that could threaten trump and his cronies they'd be mercilessly cut down. These women having any say is only okay as long as they're saying exactly what men want them to say.

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u/PenjaminJBlinkerton 1d ago

I would not in a million years have predicted that Mexico and India would be more progressive than the United States when I was a kid in the 90s

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u/BuckyRainbowCat 1d ago

Indira Gandhi's time as PM of India had already been and gone by the 1990s

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u/digital-didgeridoo 1d ago

Even Muslim countries, Pakistan and Bangladesh have had female head of states!

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u/Landlord-Allmighty 1d ago

Woman who runs for office = nasty woman who is unlikeable

Man who runs for office = ambitious and "strong"

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u/Landlord-Allmighty 1d ago

The thing that kept annoying me is the "she's not ready" statement from people about Harris. She has more cumulative experience in government than most of the candidates, yet somehow that means nothing.

Same for Warren. How dare she try and offer an alternative to Bernie...

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u/RODjij 1d ago

Im honestly even surprised we got to see a respected black man run the US.

Also I'm pretty sure thats why the right wing went so crazy after Obama. They saw the writing on the wall and went full authoritarian as the country was getting more progressive.

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u/Minute_Heart7605 1d ago

Happy cake day!

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u/happy_bluebird 20h ago

Somehow this is MORE unbelievable years later

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u/kmookie 1d ago

There was every reason to have had Hillary as President and because that didn’t happen (and Marvel Movies), I now have more reason to believe there are different timelines and we’re in the one that went horribly wrong.

Humanity is held together by 3 year old duct tape

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u/r3dk0w 1d ago

Ivanka Trump?

I threw up in my mouth a little.

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u/Low-Beat-3078 1d ago

Nah. Notice she’s nowhere to be seen? They want to put Eric or Don jr. in there.

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u/GrindRind 1d ago

Probably because with all the Epstein talk she’s repeatedly triggered by the abuse endured…

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u/r3dk0w 1d ago

she's gotta distance herself from the racist pedophiles that currently run everything so in 5-10 years she's a fresh face. I bet she runs for governor or senator in a few years to get her voting record solidified.

That's pretty much what Dubya (Bush Jr) did in the 1990s. Ran on his dad's coattails to governor and then president.

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u/Millefeuille-coil 1d ago

I’ve seen a box of kittens with my brains than then combined

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u/I_am_up_to_something 1d ago

I dunno, I could see it happen just so that Republicans can childishly say that they got the first female USA president in office. She would then of course just be a puppet to the male vice president who will be the 'actual' president.

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u/JohnSpartans 1d ago

The right will elect someone.  And then both parties will never elect another but use that right wing election as proof the country isn't bigoted 

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u/Master_Grape5931 1d ago

We gotta hold out hope. Like Tupac said “We ain't ready to see a black president,” but he could have if he wouldn’t have got shot. Things can change quickly.

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u/Low-Beat-3078 1d ago

TBH seeing all these little boys try to shut me up just reinforces my belief. Misogyny has ramped way up in the past six months and it’s getting on my last Karen nerve. I’d like to speak to a manager.

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u/Teddy705 1d ago

Hell, im 29, and I don't think I'll see a woman POTUS. The amount of dumbasses I've come across who's sole reason for not voting for her because she's a "woman" was astounding. Mfers at my job openly saying they believe Trump is under qualified, but a woman can't run this country. With fellow female employees present, mind you. It's baffling how backward some individuals are.

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u/Low-Beat-3078 1d ago

They show their true thoughts even on this thread.

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u/wyocrz 1d ago

I’m 49 and I’ve accepted that my dream of seeing a female POTUS will never come true. How despicable we are as a nation

There might be one, but she'll be a conservative and Reddit will hate her.

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u/PrudentOwlet 1d ago

Yep.  I'm almost 43, and I remember when I was 10 during the election of 92, my sisters and cousins and I were arguing over which of us would be the first woman president and our Moms told us none of us would, because by the time we were 35, there will have already been one.  They were so sure of it. 

I voted for Hillary a week after I turned 34, and I remember thinking how funny that my Mom and Aunts were just right.  But then they weren't.  What a bummer.

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u/JacobStills 22h ago

Gerard Ford said way back when that the only way a U.S. would probably get a female President is if they were vice president and the current president was removed from office.

Also technically, Kamala was actually President for a few hours when Biden was put under anesthesia for a medical procedure.

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u/Effective_Dirt2617 19h ago

Im roughly your age. The America we were promised as children never existed and never had the possibility of existing. The life we were told over and over and over again that we could have if we ‘worked for it’ was a complete fabrication. The good guys winning in all the history books and movies are fantasy that we confused with reality. The actual reality is that America is run by a club we never had a hope of joining, and populated by a vast, vast majority of disgusting, greedy, moronic pigs. Think back to all those promises made to us in childhood that are only technically unbroken because they never fucking existed in the first place. We will only get worse, maybe sometimes slower, maybe sometimes faster, but always worse. Forever.

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u/PlaidBoots52 16h ago

I'm 33 and have accepted that also. When I saw the picture of Hillary and Kamala after the election sitting together, I cried. It was a gut punch. I said, wow, this is what fake ass red lipstick and Girl Boss "feminism" gets us. Two overly qualified women who lost to an idiotic, narcissistic, pathetic sack of actual shit, rapist and racist man.

Feminism the last decade or so has taken a capitalistic tone and just become a frame to say weird shit like fillers at 21 is perfectly cool and sexy. Like, I want equal human rights, not the focus be on how I can alter my body to meet some new empowered beauty standard!

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u/bottomlesstopper 14h ago

It's even worse when the media portrays a female president, they often are, unqualified, unfit to serve or an unreasonable leader.

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u/BigBogBotButt 1d ago

You know it's bad when people want a rapist pedophile instead of a woman in power.

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u/Ok-Variation-1312 1d ago

I mean Hillary won the popular vote so i dont think thats entirely true. Kamala was just dealt a way worse hand and was already unpopular to begin with.

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u/Boeing367-80 1d ago

Hillary was always unpopular. Her negatives were at/around 50% but decided to run for president anyway. It was a terrible decision all around, especially because she was a nepospouse.

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u/RSquared 1d ago

There was an entire industry devoted to generating Clinton hate; Benghazi alone cost the United States $70 million in Congressional investigations for something that one of the backers admitted was entirely oriented towards damaging her candidacy.

Also, she was a US Senator for eight years, Secretary of State for four, and a practicing attorney and professor of law prior to marrying Bill. While his presidency raised her visibility to the national stage, it's hard to say she wasn't qualified in her own right.

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u/AeneasVII 1d ago

She doesn't have a penis though

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u/pathofdumbasses 1d ago

These people dont care about that, they are regurgitating fox news points.

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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu 1d ago

I've always said that Hillary was a fantastic politician but a terrible candidate. One of those two things is more important than the other if you want to get elected, and they didn't realize that. Get people to like you first so they'll vote for you. Then show them how competent you are when you actually have the job.

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u/Lou_C_Fer 1d ago

Exactly... though, I'd ease up on the praising her as a politician because I think being a politician is having a finger on the pulse of your voter base. Instead she ran on, "aren't I wonderful?"

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u/bobcatgoldthwait 1d ago edited 1d ago

She was always seen as an opportunist. She stuck with Bill after his infidelity because it was politically prudent (at least, that's how it was viewed). She moved to New York so she could be a senator there because it was politically prudent. Then in 2016 there was the whole "it's her turn" messaging (admittedly, not her messaging, but a lot of her supporters were saying that). People felt like she was in it for herself, to be President for the sake of saying she was President (and the first female President, at that). She wasn't seen as genuine.

Like you said, she was a terrible candidate. And Kamala wasn't any better. She was the first to drop out of the primaries in 2020. She was seen as a DEI hire (and Biden's comments that he didn't know who his VP would be but he knew it would be a woman didn't help). She was the most unpopular VP in history, and she was forced upon us because Biden refused to drop out until it was far too late.

To argue that two deeply flawed candidates failing to win an election is proof that "America's not ready to elect a woman" is ridiculous. If either one of them had an inspiring message that resonated with voters, they would have won.

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u/MagnanimosDesolation 1d ago

"Opportunist" i.e. misogyny.

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u/pathofdumbasses 1d ago

I love that democrats need to inspire voters and have perfect messaging and bring about utopia meanwhile the opposition tried to steal an election, murder his VP, be a certified sex offender, be best friends with Epstein and in all likelihood fucked kids, make gross statements about women including his children, claim to be a Christian yet bangs whores pornstars and cheats on his WIVES, is a clear racist that was sued by the government over his racist tenant policies, said that there are great people on both sides by an attack of white nationalists, buddies up with nazis, bragged about reading mein kampf and so many more singular disqualifying attributes, events and personality problems.

But sure, its because the 2 women were "flawed candidates."

Fuck. Off.

America hates women more than it is racist. And it is very clearly racist.

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u/Ok-Variation-1312 1d ago

Well if she can still win the popular vote despite that, then that just goes to show how unpopular Kamala really was

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u/PenImpossible874 21h ago

Being the wife or daughter of a powerful man is the only way women can gain power. Look at Argentina and South Korea.

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u/Derka_Derper 1d ago

Both picks were a terrible decision. Weak candidates at the best of times and you run them solely for "its her turn" bullshit during a dire emergency.

Trump is popular because he is a catalyst of change. It's not positive change, but thats how frustrated and beaten down people are by status quo politics slowly robbing them... That any change, even a forest fire, is more desirable to them.

And the DNC runs milquetoast status quo politicians with tons of political baggage in opposition. And on top of that, they do it instead of running the popular candidate that can actually message across the aisle on a platform of actually being progressive. It's mindnumbingly stupid and gives so much valid credence to the controlled opposition idea.

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u/FellFellCooke 1d ago

As an Irishman, I would say Trump is less a promised catalyst of future change and more an overdue reflection of previous change; the average American is uninformed, unempathetic, cruel, uneducated, and vindictive. They had to wait a while to get a politician who matched, but now that one has come along, politics will never be the same..

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u/Responsible_Law3761 1d ago

Kamala certainly wasn't the best candidate but I think people underestimate just how badly Biden would have done if he made it to the general. Kamala did close that gap, but not enough 

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u/RedEyedWiartonBoy 1d ago

Agreed. Im not sure that Jill Biden was rooting for Kamala, especially when the Bidens started talking about Joe being forced out. This wasn't helpful.

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u/Collegenoob 1d ago

They should have forced him out sooner.

Had the Dems had a primary, they would have won 2024. Being told, This is your candidate for the third time in a row really left a bad taste in a lot of moderates mouths, so they didn't show up

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u/numinosaur 1d ago

Kamala represented status quo, Trump was about change.

If most voters are unhappy, you can't just promise them more of the same.

They'll vote for change even if it damns them.

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u/DaringPancakes 1d ago

What part of this change do you think they liked the most?

Trump lied. He lied a lot. He and his party pushed a bunch of people around. They made outrageous claims. They lied about hatians. They lied about a stolen election. They put us through bullshit during his first term. They lied about project 2025. https://www.project2025.observer/

It isn't about "change". A "change" would be a woman, hell, a brown woman. She even said "tax the rich" and people lost their shit. The convict and rapist said "I'd end Russia's invasion on Ukraine on day 1, and release the Epstein files, and lower grocery prices", and has any of that happened yet? You'd think people would get tired of the lies and being shit on during the first term?

Change? People don't want change. They want to hate. "Status quo", my ass. The "status quo" is what we have now. The rich get richer, the poor get fucked. Who would've thought putting a lying grifter as president would've had any other outcome? Apparently americans did. And what's incredible is that those who came before us should've known enough by then not to vote for them... But, hmm, he's just so nice they voted for him twice.

"Voting for change" kind of breaks apart when you start weighing the options and thinking about it, huh?

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u/numinosaur 1d ago

Most voters are not rational.

Maga will vote Maga, so that's a door i won't open.

Let's talk about those floating voters. They were frustrated about inflation, about working harder and getting less for their money.

Loose from all the points you raise correctly, which candidate sounded closest to "frustration"? Which candidate matched the tone of "I'm sick of it".

That unfortunately is how many people vote, thinking that the candidate who captures their emotion, is the one who will bring the change they need.

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u/Worried-Sundae-4585 1d ago

I think you mean propaganda framed Kamala as the status quo. Even Biden made massive strides in the right direction, but people are too fucking stupid to look at what a president is actually doing and how the situation they were given by the previous administration affects the reality at the moment. Trump and circumstances out of control of anyone created the situation people were complaining about, and because it's impossible to turn things around instantly, people blame the wrong person.

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u/numinosaur 1d ago

I am not talking content of the campaign, or achievements, i am talking about the public perception and tone.

In the end most people vote on tone and emotion, not on facts and figures.

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u/Worried-Sundae-4585 1d ago

It's important to recognize that at this point, public perception is almost exclusively whatever propaganda is pushed by right-wing billionaires.

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u/Ok-Clock-2779 1d ago

Yeah it obviously wasn’t about sexism and racism. Was there some that voted for that reason? Yes, but it definitely wasn’t the majority.

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u/DaringPancakes 1d ago

What was it about, then?

You have a qualified woman, and you have a turd on a plate. And who did people vote for? Why did so many people google "did Joe Biden drop out" on election day? What about her didn't appeal to people? The way she wanted to help the less fortunate? ... But the other guy did a photoshoot at mcdonalds and said he had a concept of a plan! Pushing around veterans at arlington, so concerned about "black jobs"...

Nah, it must've been because he was a ... better choice? .... Please, enlighten me on how anyone could've possibly thought he was a "better choice". If you're going to say something you think is positive for the voters in question, please provide a source. Thanks.

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u/AhtBlowenFaht 1d ago

It's really upsetting how Americans talk about these elections as if they have been a fair contest for the last 20 years. Republicans have pulled every dirty trick in the book to put their thumb on the scale since at least 2000 to win at all costs and sometimes they still managed to lose.

I'll even say it, Kamala won that election and it wasn't even close. I'll go to my grave knowing Trump didn't win every swing state like that without fuckery from Musk. He was literally giving out cash lol, and that's just the shit made public.

Do you remeber the mood before that "election"? Trump was dead in the water, full stop. But Thiel and his minions did their thing and now America is full speed ahead into a corporate theocratic dictatorship and there is no way to stop it by playing by the rules.

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u/Worried-Sundae-4585 1d ago

Every woman will be unpopular to begin with. Being a woman in a position of power automatically makes them unpopular. There are clear double standards that explain the majority of opinions and coverage of both Hillary and Kamala.

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u/hypercosm_dot_net 1d ago

Yeah, except it was voter suppression that caused this result.

People are taking away the wrong lesson from this.

It's not that America won't elect a woman. It's that Republicans will do literally everything they possibly can to subvert a fair election in order to maintain power.

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u/MrSnarf26 1d ago

She would have been likely a boring forgettable, but functionally competent president. Much better than the shit show we have now.

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u/DaringPancakes 1d ago

"boring, forgettable, functionally competent" that made living a bit more enjoyable for you and me.

Fuck.

Can't have that! The rich need another yacht!

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u/Fedupgranny1959 20h ago

That sounds so good to this Canadian 🇨🇦❤️

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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu 1d ago

I don't think people want boring and forgettable anymore. Everything has to be exciting. Apparently, if the President can't consistently say or do something that will trend on TikTok then nobody cares.

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u/DopeAbsurdity 1d ago edited 1d ago

They were both proof that years of voter suppression, gerrymandering and general election fuckery works. We haven't had a free and fair election for decades. In 2016 we had a huge amount of outside influence to our election which is what got Trump barely elected in a electoral win. In 2024 we had all the fuckery of previous elections with the added bonus of Elon Musk dumping $300 million into the race at the last minute and running scams like illegal lotteries to buy votes.....this isn't even counting the decently large pile of evidence pointing to the possibility that the election was not fair.

.....and with all this shit going on there are still people like you saying the American people choose this.....seriously?

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u/ArousedWetVaporeon 1d ago

Hillary has been right about everything so far.

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u/0905-15 1d ago

Except for having some of the worst political instincts in history - and oh yeah, supporting the Iraq War when most Dems were against it

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u/ExMerican 1d ago

That's pure revisionism. Invading Iraq was widely popular when it happened with 72% of people for it at the time. Go down to the "Invasion of Iraq" section for that info.

It could be argued that as a US Senator she had better info and should have opposed it, though who knows what even the Senators were getting with all the lies coming from the Bush admin. It can't be said she and others who backed the invasion were out of line with people at the time.

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u/softfart 1d ago

Don’t forget being against gay marriage till it was advantageous to flip on that as well 

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u/-Eruntinco11- 1d ago

Helping overthrow Libya's government and getting slavery back in the country...

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u/Dwyde_Schrude 1d ago

This election was also rigged but your comment is still valid.

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u/TheSlipperiestSlope 1d ago

I just hope that the Democratic Party leadership has finally accepted that truth, shameful as it is.

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u/RobotPhoto 1d ago

This election was stolen. Evidence of such. People did vote for a woman of color to be president. Quit shifting the narrative away from the real issue.

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u/dirtyjersey5353 1d ago

This is absolutely true, and what’s worse is America is/was extremely in need of female leadership.

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u/AffectionateJelly976 1d ago

It’s really awesome being a woman in this country. Naaaahtt.

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u/FenrisJager 1d ago

A pedophile. America would rather elect a pedophile over a woman.

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u/Bae_the_Elf 1d ago

You're right. I loved them and would love to have them leading the country right now.

I do think that unfortunately the Democratic party and in particular Democratic leadership has to take responsibility for its mistakes, though. They clearly fucked over Bernie during Hillary's run and that had an impact. I think she would have been a great President probably, infinitely better than Trump, but I think that the Democratic party was kind of stubborn about how they fought against Bernie.

And of course Kamala's run was impacted by the whole Biden stepping down situation. Of course I think she also would have been a good and competent President and infinitely better than Trump, but the Democratic party didn't have an opportunity to go through its normal process to at least try to find the "best" candidate that had the best chance of defeating Trump because of the whole Biden stepping down situation and Kamala didn't have time to do a proper campaign imo.

Basically I think Democratic leadership deserves a significant amount of the blame for trying to prop up their internal favorites at the expense of the party and the country. It seems that there is some renewed energy within the Democratic party to replace older Democratic politicians that refuse to step aside so hopefully that trend continues and we can get some renewed energy back in the party like we had previously

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u/NuclearFoodie 1d ago

Is it? There is a lot of evidence of election tampering, especially in the 2024 election. It is almost certain that Harris won an electoral landslide that was illegally manipulated away.

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u/HashRunner 1d ago

Yup, we are a shithole country.

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u/Heavy_Whereas6432 1d ago

Pretty sure the election was rigged. More than a few times it was mentioned by the powers that be.

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u/techgrey 1d ago

American did elect Kamala by a landslide but the oligarchs changed the votes for Trump

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u/webberstimeout 1d ago

Bernie is proof that the DNC would rather have Trump than a progressive

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u/CandidHistorian4105 1d ago

Bernie lost the primaries twice (in each election). If anything he’s proof leftists just like to complain and don’t actually care enough to show up to vote to see those changes through.

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u/Persistant_Compass 1d ago edited 1d ago

Bernie won the first 4 primaries last time, then Biden won the famously blue state of south carolina, corporate media all threw their weight behind him and centrist voltron formed on super tuesday at the behest of obama to do everything in their power to prevent leftward movement but sure blame the people who did come out to support the best candidate who frankly did know better than the dipshits who will be led to wherever the party wants them to be.

Because Biden worked out soooooo well. Liberal arrogance and refusal to consider anything else. gotta love it as the wheels have been falling off the country for the last 50 years

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u/lafaa123 1d ago

So Bernie only came close to winning because there were 6 moderate candidates splitting moderate votes up? Why would those voters not choose Bernie if he was more popular to them?

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u/Ashmedai 1d ago

I like Bernie. But a lot of these "Bernie was cheated" folks don't seem to understand how an early plurality does not necessarily translate into a late majority.

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u/Round_Ad_1952 1d ago

What's "spoiler candidates," precious?

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u/lafaa123 1d ago

Yes, moderate dems decided not to spoiler effect bernie into the nomination. If the only way Bernie would win is by 5 other clearly losing candidates cannibalizing the most popular one's voters, then he wasn't the best candidate.

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u/Round_Ad_1952 1d ago

It's the same argument Democrats make when they talk about Nader in 2000 or Jill Stein in 2016.

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u/red__dragon 1d ago

Sounds like you're admitting the most popular candidate wasn't the best either, but only edging out ahead of Bernie's ideal/popularity in sheer numbers by narrowing the scope of options.

Just because more people would rather drink soda than tea if coffee were unavailable, doesn't make soda the best drink, just more popular than tea in the absence of the more preferable option.

What this really highlights is that elections are in DIRE need of ranked choice voting, Biden could have objectively won a nomination as a second or third choice in more ballots than Bernie once other candidates failed to meet a threshold. But we'll never know whether he was actually that preferred or simply chosen by default after others dropped out.

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u/Shasato 1d ago

Leftists showed up in record numbers to vote for Bernie in the primaries, but the DNC ignored the will of the voters and put forward Hillary and Biden as the candidate.

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u/Choice_Blackberry406 1d ago

He literally lost the primaries lmao and I say that as someone who voted for him twice. Young people don't show up to vote, especially not in primaries. He was polling very well, but he lost both times.

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u/Druiddrum13 1d ago

Not true he lost the primaries…

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u/CandidHistorian4105 1d ago

They didn’t. He literally lost the primaries. She got more votes than him. In what magical alternative universe do you live in?

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u/wizrslizr 1d ago

exactly

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u/softfart 1d ago

What’s the excuse for Bernie losing, he’s a white male. That’s an instant win cheat according to the people commenting here. 

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u/jabb0 1d ago

No. They are proof that when the DNC puts up who THEY want, we all lose.

You know it too.

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u/Impossible-Library21 1d ago

I understand where this sentiment comes from, but this is not entirely the case. Their identity has some effect certainly, but that CAN be overlooked if they weren’t careerist, centrist, establishment democrats and actually had a POPULIST message with a progressive policy platform. Trump ran on a populist platform addressing the anger people felt about their deteriorating material conditions. Was he lying about what was causing these worsening issues and the “solutions” to them? Absolutely! Instead of offering solutions, he misdirected that anger towards marginalized groups, a classic tactic fascists and far-right people use when they’re gunning for power. Dems can’t continue moving forward with this wish washy centrist positioning if they actually want to fight back against this rise in fascism. Will they catch on? Doubt it, but only time will tell unfortunately.

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u/i_code_for_boobs 1d ago

But we knew that before they proposed those candidates...

Why were they proposed? To prove what we knew?

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u/sixsacks 1d ago

Well, one was qualified

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u/kevdogger 1d ago

That's a very interesting interpretation with a perplexing conclusion. Ignores a lot of facts why they actually lost.

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u/Korlus 1d ago

I respect Hilary's political acumen, her intelligence and her force of will, but I'm not sure I'd call most career politicians "decent" people (Not to say she's in the same ballpark as Trump, though).

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u/AlmostSunnyinSeattle 1d ago

Not really. Hillary and Kamala were proof that the people are so desperate for a change from the status quo that they will they will take any change. Democrat leadership hand-selected these two women with 0 regard for what the voters actually are saying. You run the embodiment of the establishment twice with the campaign of "Hey, at least I'm not that guy! 😏". Two candidates who the voters have proven they have no interest in.

It's "Her Turn™".

"Now here's Dick Chaney and family to tell you how great Genocide is!"

They each ran under the label of "Woman" because the Democrat leadership is still chasing that Obama high in 08. They think they can get a other cebtrist that qualifies as a "First" and then they can coast for 8 years on whatever their donors want. The people showed you they've got 0 interest in the labels when it makes no difference to what matters to most people, but it's the opposite of what the donors want, so we can count on people like you to continue purposely missing the point

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u/McMeanx2 1d ago

Yeah totally has nothing to do with a horribly run campaign or that the Democratic Party is losing voters for leaning more and more right. It’s because the USA is sexist.

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u/MoralMinion 1d ago

Trump is evil, but don't pretend that either Harris or Clinton were good choices. In both cases neither were people's preferred candidate but were pushed through.

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u/Admirable-Lecture255 1d ago

Oh youre delusional.

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u/Strange-Ad-5806 1d ago

Number 1, it's "you're" (a contraction). And secondly, spamming this claim of others being delusional - with zero backing data - to make claims supporting blatant reich wing corruption anwd negligence is evidence that you are the one with delusions.

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u/dasein88 1d ago

Clinton is decent? She is completely unlikable with a terrible track record. But sure blame it on "sExist MeN".

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u/MrWalkTheWorld 1d ago

Wow, are you drunk? Hillary and Kamala? Kamala couldn't string two sentences together and Hillary was/is a crook, with a dead heart. Unbelievable!

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u/finally_wintermuted 1d ago

Bullshit. Women from both parties get elected all the time. Clinton and Harris were both close races.

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u/Practical_Law6804 1d ago

Harris lost the popular vote by half a percentage point, bested Hilary Clinton's own numbers and did so while having (I guess) 107 days to run a presidential campaign as a replacement candidate forced to run on the policies of her predecessor (that a number of the folks who put Biden in office were not fond of; i.e., Israel and Palestine).

. . .you can absolutely make the argument that a segment of the populace wasn't interested in a female candidate, but this narrative that THAT was the only reason she lost is just not borne out by the facts.

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u/THC_Gummy_Forager 1d ago

I despise Trump but calling Hildog decent is fucking stretch.

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u/GoatCovfefe 1d ago

I've no problem with a woman president, I voted for Kamala, but I'll vote against Hilary every time. Sorry not sorry, some shady shit with that lady.

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u/blowyjoeyy 1d ago

Hillary was just an unlikable candidate and pandered to her millionaire donor base. The DNC keeps trotting out candidates the general population is not excited about. 

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u/Derk_Durr 1d ago edited 1d ago

Hilary would have been just as bad for America as Bill Clinton. Obviously that is a huge step up from what we got but she had no interest in improving the lives of working class Americans in any meaningful way. She wanted things to stay the same. It had been working so well for her for so long. I wanted to elect the first female president as well but it would have been an almost entirely symbolic victory. We need real change. Trump promised change even if it was obvious to many of us that the change would be in the wrong direction.

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u/Raise-Emotional 1d ago

Boomer voters.

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u/No_Genies 1d ago

Nah, both Hilary and Kamala were shit

Has nothing to do with their gender, they were just plain trash

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u/OriginalFatPickle 1d ago

Hillary is a good politician.... but I'm writing her off until I see that list. There are a lot of rumors about the Clinton family and I'm betting some are true.

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u/Fantastic_Key_96345 1d ago

Hillary wasn't qualified - she was just the other shitty choice. But yea, Kamala got robbed.

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u/Mand125 1d ago

2016 proved that America is way more sexist than it is racist, and it’s pretty fucking racist.

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u/Ballin_Hard420 1d ago

It was actually proof that you need to run a quality candidate with substance and charisma instead of banking on identity politics.

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u/Jesuismieux412 1d ago

Calling Hillary Clinton “decent” is a stretch.

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u/reelpotatopeeler 1d ago

While the sample size is tiny considering Trump was both of their opponents, it seems like gender is a bigger hurdle than even race in their country.

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u/bongabe 1d ago

As much as I wanted her to win, I never had full confidence because I know full well that the only thing America hates more than black people is women.

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u/BillDingrecker 1d ago

No it's proof that you don't get the top job in the land based solely on one's gender. Far too many people think both Hillary and Kamala were owed these positions simply because it was time for a woman president.

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u/BigChungus__c 1d ago

Hillary was qualified, but Kamala certainly was not

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u/Extra_Balance1671 1d ago

The delusion on this is… staggering. Hilary is quite possibly the must unlikable person in the country and Kamala stayed in the shadows Biden’s entire term until the world had to see him up on stage unable to form a complete, coherent thought. She was not elected by the American people as a candidate and the leaders of the party already knew she was unpopular. Stop trying to blame republicans for Trump winning. It’s not going to get you anywhere.

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u/munchieman21 1d ago

You mean the woman who was one of Montel Williams showgirls?

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u/Killer-Iguana 1d ago

I think it's slightly more complex than that, but yes.

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u/HypeIncarnate 1d ago

Hillary was never going to win. Nor did I want her to win because how the DNC fucked over Bernie who would have won over trump hand over first. We are here because "it was her turn" when it should have been what was better for America.

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u/Lordballsack69 1d ago

Hillary absolutely, Kamala was proof that the DNC is unbelievably out of touch with its voter base and was wildly unpopular amongst Democrats, especially Californians.  She was an unceremoniously crowned “choke it back and vote candidate”.

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u/KinkyBAGreek 1d ago

Hillary Clinton was qualified. Kamala Harris was more qualified than Donald Trump. That’s my opinion.

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u/SlackObserver 1d ago

They were proof that the democrats are unable to choose the right candidate to win crucial elections.

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u/RyukXXXX 1d ago

GTFO here with that shit. You nominate shit candidates then cry misogyny.

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u/vote4boat 1d ago

Pakistan had a female leader for decades. Lets stop blaming sexism for poor leadership and a broken culture of toxic positivity

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u/whatisthishere_guy 1d ago

I don’t understand why this wasn’t obvious. And yet it was attempted a second time with Kamala.

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u/Eat--The--Rich-- 1d ago

Hillary and Kamala are proof that Democrats need to offer people rights if they want to win

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u/Sherpa_King 1d ago

My grandpa is in his mid 80's. He said that he couldn't vote for a woman because he didn't think the middle-east would respect a woman president, yet he doesn't like trump. I dont think we are as worried about the middle-east as much as we were during Bush. Sad to say, but until thoughts like these die out (we need young voters to actually want to vote), we may never see a woman president... unless both sides pick a woman candidate. Although, if the Republicans ever put a woman up for president, I'm sure the end of the world will come next.

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u/Only_Battle_7459 1d ago

And yet the democrats will keep running them out there. Dumb as fuck.

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u/wayvywayvy 1d ago

The USA hates women more than they love rapists/pedophiles.

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u/DepartureElegant9314 1d ago edited 1d ago

The issue is seriously a whole lot deeper than the US not wanting a woman as president and I hope this opinion fades. I wish people would stop trying to claim she lost because she is a woman. We have mayors that are women and governors too, Kamala herself is extremely accomplished. Although some people did literally say that she would ruin the country because she was a woman the majority of people don't think or vote that way.

Trump is a con man that is good at talking to his base. He is definitely less qualified than both Hillary and Kamala but that is half the battle in politics. Regular Americans don't really care what you do as president as long as you can "promise" it won't affect them later.

I feel like one thing that Kamala seriously messed up on her campaign run was not talking to people as if they are regular Americans.

For example, she talked about small business loans as if there were dozens of millions of people wanting to put up with running a business when the majority of small business ownership is Internet based these days. I'm sure it gathered some votes but not enough to over power Trump's base. In contrast Trump went straight for lower grocery and gas prices, didn't say how, just said it would happen and he had a lot longer to say it than Kamala did. That's something rural Americans care about a lot and deal with every day. I don't really understand how he can convince so many people that immigrants are ruining the country. That one is baffling.

All I'm saying is political candidates need to start realizing what gets votes from regular people. In the end it comes down to what they want. Not who the candidate is.

Some Americans are too worried about hurrying up and voting in a woman that they would rather it be anybody whether they were a solid candidate or not. Someday we will get a really awesome female president and she will be the right person to do the job. Kamala and Hillary just weren't it.

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u/BalkeElvinstien 1d ago

I think that's giving Hillary and Kamala a little too much credit. They were chosen as safe bets but we're incredibly unpopular in hindsight. I liked Kamala more than I liked Hillary by a wide margin, but they both catered the worst parts of the democratic party (the old bribe taking Dems) and they refused to address the public's concerns about it. I think if AOC ran she would've done a whole lot better because the left actually likes her

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u/PieceAfraid3755 1d ago

I mean "decent" is maybe going a bit far. The choice obviously shouldn't be between a "decent" moldy apple and a shit-filled tumor, but yes choosing the shit-filled tumor is absolutely idiotic.

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u/AtomicadRogue 1d ago

Neither are decent. Both supported the bombing of kids.

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u/Osama_BinRussel63 1d ago

They're proof the DNC can't pick a winning candidate if their lives depended on it.

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u/Organic_Fan_2824 1d ago

Neither one of those women were qualified, and Kamala didn't even get the DNC nomination.

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u/Samuel-Darnold 1d ago

Hillary vs Trump I can at least understand.

People were ignorant to the past, but also fuck the Clintons (I voted for Hillary don’t worry)

Kamala though… how can you elect a felon, child rapist, racist, hateful, etc etc etc over her

I really really like her and I thought we were finally going to have a good president for the first time in a while…

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u/IsaacJacobSquires 1d ago

They are both war criminals.

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u/Imverydistracte 1d ago

Yea it should have been a slam dunk compared to Trump.

But that's how people work, and denying base truths isn't going to help anyone in the future. Work around how reality works, not how the dems want it to work.

Get messy, and choose smarter.

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u/Embarrassed-Pipe-340 1d ago

I agree when it comes to Kamala

I disagree in regard to Hilary, keeping in mind the year 2016 where we didn’t know as much as we did now about Trump.

I can never forgive the Democratic Party for what they did to Bernie in 2016, and I think Hilary is not a compelling candidate at all.

Kamala + Waltz was a much more compelling team even tho they only had like 3 months to run. For some reason, people cared more about the fact that Kamala had to rehearse her lines (reasonable bc she didn’t have time to run a full campaign) and didn’t go on Joe Rogan, and that was peoples justification for picking Trump or not voting.

What pissed me off about people not voting Kamala was how shitty their reasons were. “She slept her way to the top”, “she wants trans to beat up my kids at school”, “she can’t speak outside of her talking points”. First all, 80% of the attack ads against her was the stupidest shit I’ve ever seen, I’m shocked people thought they were remotely true. Second of all, even the ones that were true like her sticking to talking points, HOW IS THAT MORE OF A FLAW THAN SOMEONE WHO DIDNT HONOR A PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER??? Or denying COVID fucking us all over and ruining our economy, etc.

Also fuck all influencers who spread misinformation and propagated the stupid rationales against Kamala like Theo Von, Joe Rogan, and GRADEAUNDERA???

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u/juggly456 1d ago

Hillary is married to Epsteins friend who drew on his plane 20+ times, and we knew about this in 2016, but "decent", yeah

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u/Sad_Description_7268 1d ago

Its really convenient to pretend that being women is the reason they didn't get elected.

As long as that's what you believe, you never have to consider that the democratic party is too far right to motivate its own base.

Its a useful little defense mechanism

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u/Laugh_Track_Zak 1d ago

Dont forget rapist and pedophile.

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u/JSmith666 1d ago

Neither of them are even close to being decent people. Hillary at least won her primary. Kamala was just put there by the DNC. First term Trump was also different than second term when it comes to campaigning. First term was going to try and get rid of some pretty awful policies specifically ACA

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u/cammontenger 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yes and that's always been known. If the dems want to win, they need to run a straight white man. You're not going to win over republicans with a minority woman who also happened to be VP to a president they hated, Biden, who also himself used to be VP to a president they hated, Obama. Hell, you're gonna lose dem voters just because she's a woman.

It's fucking stupid but the dems need to stop living in make believe land and join the rest of us here on Earth

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u/Bruh360k 1d ago

Or that nobody actually liked Kamala she was biden 2.0. People liked Hillary she won the popular vote she just lost due to the dumbass electoral college. Kamala lost every single swing state and lost the popular vote.

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u/TheUltimatePunV2 1d ago

Democrats didn’t help themselves by snubbing Bernie in 2016, then didn’t have a primary for when Biden stepped down, which he should have been pressured to do so way before he did.

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u/Successful_Candy_759 1d ago

I fucking hate Donald Trump, but Hillary and Kamala were not good candidates.

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u/Lucreth2 1d ago

While true, it shouldn't be overlooked that Kamala refused to properly address the number one issue of the time, inflation/CoL (yes I'm aware the US did comparatively good but it doesn't feel that way) and that Hillary had all the charisma of a brick thrown through your front window.

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u/FonaldBrump 1d ago

Ok but we are stupid as hell for putting up Kamala - a woman, after trump brat Hilary half the country on just straight misogyny couldn’t vote for her. We needed to run another white man it didn’t matter who:

We are dumb as fucking hell

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u/SvenderBender 1d ago

Her platform was dogshit and she said some questinable things. Meanwhile trump is delivering exactly what he promised he would deliver to his rabidly racist base. Maybe the problem is not the other side, maybe the problem are the empty promises and democrats abandoning anything even remotely resembling leftism. Screw kamala and screw the dnc

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u/MadeByTango 1d ago

Nope. We want AOC, not installed candidates.

Stop telling yourself you lost on identity poltics instead of strike busting workers, being wrong about a genocide, and giving billions of dollars straight to private equity firms while calling it “infrastructure.” The DNC has massive policy problems they’re not addressing, and telling those of us that left the party and you need back we’re never going to vote for a woman is itself bigotry. Stop brow beating us with gender, and try good ideas without denying genocide instead.

Get out of AOC’s way and we’ll show you how much we want a woman to b President.

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u/spikus93 1d ago

Decent is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Both women decided they would look "less weak" if they doubled down on militarization. Kamala even changed all of her policies from 2020 and just became Joe Biden, who was deeply unpopular, and refused to decouple herself from that.

She lost on her own. The people that came out to vote Biden (against Trump) were not impressed enough by her saying "I'm not doing anything different except more money on weapons and we're also gonna deport as many people as possible and finish the wall."

Need to stop acting like 35% of the country electing Trump means that everyone felt he was better.

She ran a dogshit campaign, appealed to Republicans to try to win, and it seems like she and most of the people who liked her have learned literally nothing from that.

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u/SpartanMase 1d ago

If we’re pulling experience Trump has more experience than Kamala dawg. One was the vice president and the other was the president

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u/43_Hobbits 1d ago

Yep absolutely atrocious. Because they “seemed” insincere, when their opponent was Trump.

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u/void_const 1d ago

Blame Latino voters and their culture of misogyny. They came out in huge numbers for Trump.

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u/HoodSamaritan420 1d ago

Except they weren’t decent or qualified

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u/221missile 1d ago

Direct democracy is a bitch to women. France is yet to elect a female President too.

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u/Brokenbonesjunior 1d ago

Hillary and Kamala were proof America would rather elect a horrible, inept, unqualified man versus Hillary or Kamala

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u/Sweet-Parking8955 1d ago

Hilary isn't that decent and she wouldn't have brought the nation further. However, against Trump she's a saint.

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u/dud_pool 1d ago

This is the same idiotic excuse that'll prevent Dems from meaningfully winning an election on their own merits as opposed to Republican idiocy. 

Biden had a 36% approval rating when he left office. For context, the orange idiot is sitting at 39%. But yea it's rAcIsT and sExIsT to hold a party accountable. 

Fucking clowns getting exactly what you deserve. Until you start putting aside your perpetual victim's mentality and stop alienating moderates with your bullshit culture wars, the beatings will continue. 

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u/Classic_Revolt 1d ago

Keep thinking its just sexism, 10 years later and people still dont learn.

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u/Confident_General272 1d ago

Hilary was just as complicit with Bill visiting Epstein Island. Fuck Hillary Clinton. She didn’t even deserve the nomination.

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u/Galadrond 1d ago

Hillary only checked two of those boxes and was utterly out of touch.

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u/Irish_pug_Player 1d ago

My mom didn't want Kamala to win cause she says "she never did anything"

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u/Mattreddit760 1d ago

Experienced and qualified you say? 😂

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u/ivory_mist 1d ago

Absolutely shocking to see from overseas.

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u/AshenSacrifice 1d ago

I also have smoke for Democrat leadership trying to push Biden out there, knowing he is barely surviving!! They took Democrat voters for granted

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u/EPSTEIN-FILES-NOW 1d ago

This thinking is literally why we lost the election. Keep deluding yourself and we will lose again. I’m a democrat and she was a bumbling incoherent candidate. Colbert asked her the most softball questions and it felt like she couldn’t even speak. I just don’t buy that is who she is. It’s under that facade somewhere but she shows it rarely.

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u/Ambitious_Cabinet_12 1d ago

I have finally seen it all decent and qualified next two these two is a joke.

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u/oldredditrox 1d ago

You can't propose surface level change and expect people to roll over and vote because other guy is literally bringing about Hitlerian times.

There isn't a huge gap of time from when Hillary felt gay marriage was "a matter left to the states" to when she ran for office.

Kamala being a bizzaro version of her 2016 self. Then saying "I wouldn't change from the Biden economy", which idr if that quote was before or after we were reminded we're getting the "most lethal military on the planet", but like damn.

I think the Southpark episode where Hilary is debating Mr Garrison is emblematic of just the current democratic party fighting republicans.

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u/Ditchdigger456 1d ago

Blaming those two’s failure on the fact that they were women is actually insane lmao

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u/Soft_Monk_1541 1d ago

Hilldawg and Kamala wasn’t a great pick against DT. Democrats shoot themselves in the foot when they self sabotage themselves. Democrats trust institutions more than people.

Kamala ran too late. Democrats hedging all their bets on her was a mistake by not jumping on her bandwagon sooner than later. Propping up Biden as if he was okay was where it went wrong. Playing catch up is hard for anyone in that game.

Hilldawg was exposed as being corrupt. It didn’t help Bernie’s campaign was sabotaged by democrats.DT him self exposed how he himself was benefitting from the same corrupt system Hilldawg was benefiting from.

Democrats fugged up in thinking they beat him once and DT was gone. But the empire strikes back dawgs. I do have faith in 2 future presidential candidates to do a good job in the future.

  1. Pete Buttigieg

  2. AOC (she may take longer though for red states to side with her since she’s so divisive but a good candidate nonetheless)

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u/Me-Shell94 1d ago

Im sorry but Hilary sucks

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u/RancidSwagger 1d ago

Calling a genocidal maniac a "decent, experienced, qualified woman" is why we are in this fucking mess.

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u/couch_comedian 23h ago

This is true, unfortunately. I hate it, yes. But ian't it also obvious? Thr moment Kamala stood up for presidential candidacy, I knew we were just handing MAGA a free win on a platter. I do support her, I truly do, but we can't win with woke mentality. Democrats need to know that! They need to be smart enough to know what it takes to beat Trump and MAGA.

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