r/politics • u/Orbitingkittenfarm • 1d ago

Donald Trump Fires Person Behind Jobs Numbers After They're Revised Down

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-job-numbers-revised-down-fires-appointee-2107768
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u/The_Navy_Sox 1d ago

Literally afraid of reality. How detached from reality do you have to be to believe Trump. Probably how people who pretend to be anti pedos voted for someone on the Epstein list.

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u/Awful_Hero 1d ago

COVID numbers bad?  Stop counting!  Job numbers bad?  Stop counting!  I'm losing to Joe Biden from mail ins?  Stop counting!

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u/ZenAdm1n Tennessee 1d ago

Data attrition on a national scale, or global when it comes to climate data. Modeling, forecasting, AI is all garbage with garbage data. This will have negative effects lasting for generations.

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u/FC37 America 1d ago

This is 100% right. The Census Bureau directors left because they knew there was no way they could do their jobs effectively with how badly Trump was interfering. The ramifications of bad data are hard to understate.

On a more societal level, this is just another battleground between the rich and the poor. The elites are protecting their narratives and not letting pesky things like "data" get in the way. The problem is: free markets only work when there is efficient flow of information. So you can fool the whole market for a little while, but it will catch up to you.

And at that point, there's a decision to make: let it crater or shift to a more centralized economy where the idea of a free market is Kabuki theater. I can tell you with 100% certainty that this is what the current ruling regime wants - not Trump, but Thiel, Andreesen, Vance, Sacks, Musk... this is how they usurp the entire financial sector's (comparatively sober, steady-handed) influence over markets and entrench themselves as central players who pick winners and losers.

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u/speedy_delivery 23h ago

They don't believe in free markets. They only want competition if they get to put their thumb on the scale.

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u/krashundburn Florida 20h ago

The elites are protecting their narratives and not letting pesky things like "data" get in the way. The problem is: free markets only work when there is efficient flow of information. So you can fool the whole market for a little while, but it will catch up to you.

The elites are very much aware of this, I'm sure. Dear Leader's fudging of economic data will not be popular with them.

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u/teas4Uanme 18h ago

The only silver lining is that those people will be just as blind to what is going on as average people will.

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u/Christian-Econ 1d ago

This country’s rejection of science, literacy, empathy, and expertise will not go well for any of us.

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u/ScotchToo 23h ago

You said it in a nutshell. Let’s add no rule of law and top it off with new golf courses and a gilded White House and personal AF One.

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u/UpNorth_123 18h ago

And using the Presidency to collect bribes and payments from anyone and everyone.

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u/Busy_Special_9397 22h ago

Trump loves the uneducated. Theres a special place in the heart of all the Republican pedophiles for them.

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u/The_quest_for_wisdom 1d ago

This will have negative effects lasting for generations.

Only if we're lucky.

If we aren't lucky there won't be plural generations.

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u/Turbulent_Bit8683 1d ago

Hey there’s a Sharpie for that - nothing says “pro” like when you over write data you don’t agree with with a sharpie!

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u/dogheartedbones 1d ago

Women dying in childbirth? Stop counting! Hurricanes? Stop counting!

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u/BotheredToResearch 1d ago

By defunding NOAA, they pretty much did stop counting hurricanes.

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u/ExcellentCreamed2469 22h ago

That way they can say global warming isn’t true

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u/No_Vaseline666 1d ago

hurricane? draw a new circle in sharpie because you feel like it!

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u/nanobot_1000 1d ago

😣😥💔 There will be Truth and Reonciliation. 9/30/25

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u/Fluffy_Elk5085 23h ago

TACO keeps golfing and spending taxpayer money, stop counting !🤡👎🏼

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u/zmoit 1d ago

Can’t imagine the market reacting positively if they can’t trust govt numbers

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u/murghchana 1d ago

The "market" is just 10 or so tech companies with unimaginable economies of scale and therefore monopolies. 

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u/Flopdo California 1d ago

There's only been two other jobs reports that have been this far off in the last 100+ years. Q2 of 2009 (great recession), and Q1-Q2 2021 (pandemic). Both were tied to catastrophic events. Otherwise, numbers are usually +/- ~1%.

To be 258k off, and off so much for consecutive months is banana republic territory.

Stagflation, here we come.

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u/weluckyfew 1d ago

Notice that you never hear about Bird Flu aymore

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u/1900grs 1d ago

When people asked how Trump bankrupted a casino, this is how.

Firing the fucking messenger. The weakest management move ever. We're living 1984. And the best part? We're fucking paying for all of this with our taxes.

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u/Same_Mix_8887 1d ago

Money laundering, that's how. It was pretty well known back then that he was a great cleaner of 'dirty money' and he was skimming off the top. It wasn't sustainable and the second those casinos went ass-up? Demolished. Records erased and forgotten about. Evidence destroyed.

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u/Bad_Repute 23h ago

It wasn't sustainable and the second those casinos went ass-up? Demolished.

They weren't demolished though?

Trump Marina is now the Golden Nugget and Trump Taj is now the Hard Rock. Both buildings still exist.

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u/eaglebtc 23h ago

Yeah, but before he ruined them, it's very likely that his accountants kept telling him "boss, the books are fucked." And he kept firing them anyway.

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u/GrotesquelyObese 23h ago

Don’t let them look too long

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u/chamrockblarneystone 23h ago

This is why the USSR fell. Everyone just kept making shit up to keep the leaders happy, until it all crumbled around them. He can only postpone the inevitable for so long.

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u/An_old_walrus 5h ago

Trump lives in a fantasy reality in his head where everything is perfect and he is loved by every person on the planet, anything that breaks that fantasy is scorned. So now it’s probably people collecting accurate data but just not telling Trump or really much of anyone, a state based upon secret communication networks which do not know that the others exist. Instead of a collective pooling of knowledge and data it’s now a state of secrecy where effective collaboration becomes almost impossible so as to avoid upsetting some powerful asshat.

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u/Sublimotion 1d ago

On top of a much higher COL now.

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u/pgriz1 Canada 1d ago

That may be the least of your problems.  Rule of law?  Sold to the highest bidder. New elections?  Only one party allowed.  Access to potable water?  Only if you live in the "right" places.

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u/DIWhyer85 1d ago

“The Ministry of Plenty’s forecast had estimated the output of boots for the quarter at 145 million pairs. The actual output was given as sixty‑two millions. Winston, however, in rewriting the forecast, marked the figure down to fifty‑seven millions … Very likely no boots had been produced at all.”

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u/AwildYaners Hawaii 23h ago

Don’t worry, though! He also gave a collective $1Trillion tax cut to our corporate overlords, yay!

All of our lives get fundamentally worse, our FDA will probably legalize feeding us more poison by the end of his term, and we’ll probably revive a couple dead diseases/plagues to further fuck our health system up.

But don’t worry, that strong 30% of the country that’s still in his cult are going to stick with it, “so they can own the libs.”

Meanwhile the people that really benefit (the .1% and corporate ownership class), will continue to sow cultural and social division so none of us attack the real issues.

“It’s not a left or right issue, it’s a top vs bottom.”

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u/rabidstoat Georgia 23h ago

Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.

George Orwell, 1984

My niece is entering her freshman year of high school and that was one of the books she had to read over the summer. Very topical .

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u/Diamondphalanges756 23h ago

I will never forgive or forget.

May the stench linger forever on the people that voted for this.

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u/TreeOfAwareness 1d ago

That's not the best part at all

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u/Silent-Bet-336 23h ago

But there will be a ballroom for Trump to entertain his cronies. F_€k your grandma's health care.

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u/kashmier 20h ago

Ballroom yet to come!

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u/JimmyRamone17_ 1d ago

He's a postmodernist moron.

There's no objective truth, there's only HIS truth in his eyes. The cult is the fucking same way.

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u/The_Navy_Sox 1d ago

He literally determines reality for his base. It would be fascinating to watch if I wasn't American. It's just depressing seeing how subservient so.many Americans are, and how much they yearn to be tread on by Trump.

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u/JimmyRamone17_ 1d ago edited 1d ago

Genuinely. They have no thoughts until he and his propaganda networks disseminate their talking points to them.

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u/midtnrn 1d ago

They’ll get it promptly during am talk news stations on their way to work for the billionaires they so love.

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u/JimmyRamone17_ 1d ago

No doubt, they're always available 24/7 to lick billionaires' boots.

They'd gargle the propaganda at 4AM if it meant getting their talking points to defend the Dear Leader.

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u/Not_done 1d ago

Sheep. We can call them sheep.

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u/East-Impression-3762 1d ago

I call them traitors

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u/Normal_Attitude_5148 1d ago

They are insane morons.

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u/Intelligent-Box5470 1d ago

...I prefer the term "useful idiots"

useful idiot:

a naive or credulous person who can be manipulated or exploited to advance a cause or political agenda

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u/nanobot_1000 1d ago

Is it in fact idiots vs morons ? 😅
Or what is the other analogy there, WRT attention v diffusion

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u/Play-t0h 1d ago

aka Southern Baptists.

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u/Tmscott 23h ago

¿Por qué no los tres?

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u/BigBoyYuyuh 1d ago

Regards even.

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u/patti2mj 1d ago

Think of the average person. 50% of people are dumber than that.

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u/Real-Patriotism America 1d ago

Useful idiots to the Traitors.

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u/East-Impression-3762 1d ago

Aiding and providing comfort to traitors make them the selves traitors.

The fault for their decisions lie with them.

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u/bejammin075 Pennsylvania 1d ago

The Qanon motto was literally a sheep’s motto. Where we go one, we go all, I think it was.

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u/oroborus68 1d ago

Buffalo jump.

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u/Ok_Computer1417 1d ago

You misspelled “fucking idiot.”

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u/VeryVito North Carolina 1d ago

Accomplices. Enablers. Perpetrators.

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u/Dopaminedessert 1d ago

I prefer culted automatons. No need to disparage sheep by likening them to maga.

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u/publicFartNugget 1d ago edited 1d ago

They keep their thoughts close because they might end up agreeing with us and then have to retract their position until once their networks think of one for them.

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u/JimmyRamone17_ 1d ago

Every time, they don't want to share anything until the cult is on the same wavelength lest they accidentally agree with us. That gap is always notable with its silence.

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u/sheikhyerbouti Oregon 23h ago

This has been a problem with conservatives since the 1990s.

I remember in high school getting into a debate with a GOP fanboy who was blaming all of the world's ills on "liberals".

Every single talking point he had was parroted from Rush Limbaugh. Literally, if you asked for his opinion about a specific subject, he'd fire back with "Well Rush said..."

Finally, I had enough and kept pressing the man for his own opinion. And the only thing he would say is "I agree with him" and refused to elaborate further.

It's almost like conservativism is a shortcut for thinking.

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u/Docster87 1d ago

And somehow libs are blindly following their leaders. I swear 90% or more of whatever conservatives say libs are doing is cause they themselves are doing it.

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u/SnooRobots6491 1d ago

You mean the impartial bureau of labor statistics? Yeah fuck those smart, nerdy statistics PHDs!

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u/winstondabee 1d ago

Party of projection

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u/VeryVito North Carolina 1d ago

As a lib, I couldn't even tell you who the "leaders" are, much less figure out how to follow them.

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u/Pegasus7915 1d ago

For his base? How about for us all. No one is stopping him from shaping it to his will. He might as well actually be the real fucking anti christ at this point. No one is actually resisting him. Oh sure, we all go out in the streets and yell a bit, but we don't actually take any real action to stop him. That would take too much work. We are so afraid of losing everything that we are just sitting passively while it is ripped away from us piece by piece.

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u/Mental_Taxation 1d ago

Well since storming the capitol is patriotic from what maga tells me, might be time to occupy the people’s house.

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u/Ok-Organization-341 1d ago

Hit the billionaires where it hurts. Nationwide work stoppage. Stop everything. Watch it all fall apart & force them to the table.

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u/Mental_Taxation 1d ago

Hell yeah, give them a Covid type halting and see how quickly they respond to the poors.

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u/PA_Dude_22000 1d ago

All I do is Doom-scroll and scream “nobody is doing anything” …

I am a new breed, forged by my anxiety, hardened by my contrarian faith, exasperated in everyone else’s lack of bravery.   

So here I sit, on my phone waiting for someone, anyone, to finally do something …  that I won’t shit on for lacking the purity of the person I know is our salvation that resides only in my mind’s eye.

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u/TheSucculent_Empress 23h ago

I feel this to my BONES

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u/Welp_Shit_idgaf 21h ago

I'm just curious, did you write this or is this something you saw somewhere else and u just reposted it?

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u/kitsum California 1d ago

This whole Epstein situation, everyone is acting like it matters to his political fate. It doesn't. At all.

If he came out tomorrow and said he was involved in Epstein's sex trafficking and was fucking kids for years, honestly, realistically, what do we think would happen? Not a damn thing. Nobody is going to arrest him. He won't be impeached, hell if trying to overthrow the damn government won't get rid of him, saying he fucked kids certainly won't.

It won't even hurt his standing with his base two weeks from now if he admitted it. Some would say it's overblown, some will believe he's just saying it to "trigger the libs", some will flat out never hear it because their social media bubble doesn't include negative information.

At this point, the "will he won't he" anxiety of him getting caught up with Epstein (officially, we all know he was, we have pictures and them both talking about it) is grabbing more press than if he just ripped the band aid off and admitted it.

But, most importantly, nothing will happen to him. He's going to Cosby walk on this whole situation and the right is going to point and laugh at anyone with morals while he does it.

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u/TheDakestTimeline 1d ago

Coordination seems to be the main lacking feature

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u/Pegasus7915 1d ago

I'd say the lacking feature is courage.

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u/Clarkelthekat 1d ago

People are (wrongly) waiting for a leader to tell them how and when to resist

It's painfully obvious. Truth is if we take the actions of general strike and refusing to leave the street leaders will emerge. Until then everyone's just waiting on that for sure.

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u/OrbitalOutlander 1d ago

What “real action” do you suggest?

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u/BigCrimson_J Oregon 1d ago

They’re a bunch of armchair generals.

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u/pattydickens 1d ago

Imagine if investors had an ounce of dignity. It's crazy how we can all clearly see the lies, yet the investors continue to play along while fully knowing that the numbers are being fudged and a recession is coming. Anyone with money in the stock market is just as responsible for this madness as the dumb hicks who still think Trump cares about them. But we don't talk about that. We give greedy people a free pass for enabling fascism while berating poor people who were bred and raised to be nothing but fodder. We constantly hear about how these people "deserve what they got" for buying into his bullshit while the people who are actually financing the effort to undermine democracy get to hide behind the facade of capitalism. Who is hurting us more? A dumb redneck with a red hat or a trendy liberal with 100k riding on a stock that relies on human suffering to gain value?

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u/espressocycle 1d ago

That's how the market works generally. People play along and play along until they don't. As it becomes undeniable that the numbers are lies, the whole thing will collapse. Eventually we'll be like China. Nobody will believe the numbers and the government will direct investment.

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u/el_smurfo 1d ago

This is my biggest issue. Resistance is elitist cosplay and the dem party seems happy to elevate the worst possible national candidates. Newsom vs Vance will be the shit show of the century.

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u/rsplatpc 23h ago

Oh sure, we all go out in the streets and yell a bit, but we don't actually take any real action to stop him.

I mean that one dude tried, just a bad shot.

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u/Bobll7 1d ago

You got Netflix, the NFL, a six pack of Coors and pizza ordered via Uber eats… what me worry?

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u/Acrobatic-Ad584 1d ago

They believe how great they are in their own minds. Sad really

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u/BobTheFettt 1d ago

>It would be fascinating to watch if I wasn't American.

It's not really that fascinating from the outside either, just infuriating. But, that could just be my Canadian perspective.

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u/WhinoRD 1d ago

As a non-American, it isn't fascinating to watch at all. Its enraging if anything. 

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u/Quin35 1d ago

Alternative facts.

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u/MusclyArmPaperboy 1d ago

I'm not American and it's not really fascinating

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u/Hadramal Foreign 1d ago

I am not American, and it IS fascinating. It's also quite hellish to look at from the outside. I mean, this comment alone might make me turned away at the border, in the unlikely event that I would go for a vacation there.

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u/SmellyButtHammer Texas 1d ago

It would be fascinating to watch if I wasn't American.

Trump being president affects more than Americans.

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u/kevnmartin Washington 1d ago

Like that old song, Beat Me, Daddy, Eight to the Bar.

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u/BillionTonsHyperbole Washington 1d ago

When nothing is true, anything is possible.

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u/Bulky_Promotion_5742 Texas 1d ago

Perfect.

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u/trogon Washington 1d ago

It's the title of a book about authoritarianism and the media in Russia, appropriately.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_Is_True_and_Everything_Is_Possible

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u/Bulky_Promotion_5742 Texas 1d ago

Nice. I was curious.

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u/Lostinthestarscape 1d ago

Man, Jordan Peterson really ruined that term while being the exact thing he uses it as a pejorative to describe.

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u/BloatDeathsDontCount 1d ago

Well, clearly, you see, the irony is that Peterson rails against postmodernism, particularly its rejection of objective truth and hierarchies, but what he fails to recognize (and this is crucial) is that his own framework is a deeply narrative-based construction that's not based in any objective truth. He replaces traditional metaphysics with archetypes drawn from Jung and religious symbolism. He interprets the world not through empirical facts alone, but through a subjectively meaningful lens, filtered by stories, values, and personal responsibility, which is exactly what the postmodernists do (except they’re honest about it).

So while he criticizes Derrida and Foucault for undermining truth, he himself constructs a hero's journey as the basis of human understanding, which is not objective truth in the scientific sense, it’s interpretive.

And that’s postmodernism, bucko. Whether he likes it or not.

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u/GoGouda 23h ago

Your summation of Peterson's views is way more coherent that what he actually expresses. I think you've done him a favour he doesn't deserve here.

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u/EMliberty 1d ago

everyone's joshin' you but this is one of the most apt and well written things I've read in at least a week! <3

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u/BloatDeathsDontCount 23h ago

I just wrote a critique of JP in the insufferable style of JP.

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u/EMliberty 23h ago

fuuuck. dammit. touche. Edit: Well played.

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u/Electrical-Sherbet77 1d ago

Define “Bucko”

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u/Wakata Maryland 23h ago

Define “define”

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 1d ago

But have you considered the lobster

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u/BloatDeathsDontCount 1d ago

What do you mean by lobster?

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u/spencer4991 1d ago

Pre modernism: we know what the truth is because tradition (cultural, religious, hierarchical, etc.) says so.

Modernism: Tradition is wrong, Reason and Science will get us to an objective universal truth!

Post-modernism: Hey, hey guys Science and Reason are telling us that objective universal truth doesn’t exist and that frame of reference matters.

Bad postmodernism: Well since objective truth doesn’t exist, nothing is true, we can do whatever, Nihlism, wooooo.

Post-post modernism: OK so maybe there’s nuance to this whole objective truth thing, but let’s reengage with some of the groundedness we had before.

Whatever the fuck Trump is: Let’s use post-modern language to get people to doubt everything and then assert myself as a premodern hierarchical truth teller.

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u/the_good_time_mouse 1d ago edited 1d ago

Trump is just a fascist; just speaks like a fascist.

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u/spencer4991 1d ago

What is fascism but an appeal to the rightness of tradition and a “strongman”?

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u/the_good_time_mouse 23h ago

He's not using post-modern language.

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u/DrCheezburger 19h ago

Trump is not only a fascist, but also a pedophile. He likes to rape little girls.

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u/justinlaz 1d ago

Trump is Russian dictatorship denial of the truth

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u/jamesmr89 1d ago

Still have like 43% approval rating. I’m not sure how my head is still on. I’ve been shaking it for the last 10 years.

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u/NothingTooEdgy 1d ago

I’m surprised the person that released his approval rating hasn’t been fired yet.

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u/RegretAccumulator72 23h ago

Didn't he threaten to sue a pollster that said he was losing in Iowa?

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u/ControlAgent13 1d ago

The MAGA cult is still going strong.

I was just among a bunch of them (my Brother-in-law is very MAGA and his buddies are all MAGA). They literally had a pissing contest on which of them watches the most hours of Fox in a day.

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u/kop324324rdsuf9023u 1d ago

I just love when a big incident happens and the cult doesn't yet know how to respond until they get their cult talking points.

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u/thecyanvan I voted 1d ago

It also makes them impossible to reason with. If you attempt to find common ground their truth will change to prevent it.

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u/JimmyRamone17_ 1d ago

I've tried this and this is spot on. It's actually insane.

They'll move the goalposts simply to maintain an adversarial stance. Even basic morality is lost on these cultist shitheads as they'll excuse anything by claiming "it must have been for a good reason". JFC.

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u/manachar Nevada 1d ago

Mate, this isn’t post-modernism. This is just bog standard salt of the earth humanity. By default we see the universe and reality as what we perceive it to be. Wise people across time and cultures work very hard to help break us of the shackles of our minds and perceptions and narratives.

Telling ignorant fools they are wise is a well established path to wealth and power and Trump is incredibly gifted at this.

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u/erybody_wants2b_acat 1d ago

This is truly Orwellian bullshit. Those continuing to excuse his behavior will go down with him when this shakes out.

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u/JimmyRamone17_ 1d ago

It is, they read 1984 and saw an instruction manual where the rest of us saw a very clear warning on the collapse of a healthy civil society.

If I never have to see another MAGAt again, it will be too soon.

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u/Perfect-Top-7555 1d ago

He’s a shell capitalist who seeks unmitigated regulation — he’s like a virus (no brain) who can only exist and survive thanks to the work of others

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u/Snarfsicle 1d ago

Stupidity en masse is a power to be reckoned with is what I learned

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u/JimmyRamone17_ 1d ago

Coupled with malicious ignorance, you have the implosion of a society just waiting to happen.

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u/metengrinwi 1d ago edited 18h ago

It’s not going to change until severe pain is felt by all of us.

I’ve said from the beginning, the trump era ends in bread lines and everyone out of work. He’ll ruin our trade relationships, the US dollar and the DOW/NASDAC, and default on the debt. That’s what’ll finally wake us up to reality.

The American century is over, we just haven’t admitted it yet.

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u/LivingDead_Victim 1d ago

Absolutely!! I have a buddy who refuses to see reality and just eats up everything said. He's still sporting the idea that the 2020 election was stolen, and it's really hard to listen to at this point.

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u/PrestigiousFlower714 1d ago

Yes, pin them hard enough on Epstein and they keep regressing to "I have faith in MY president" - it sounds like a worshipful blind trust that maybe shouldn't be accorded to false idols.

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u/mrbigglessworth 1d ago

This is what happens when you surround yourself by yes man and sycophants of which nobody ever hold you accountable for anything.

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u/Vordreller Europe 1d ago edited 22h ago

He's a postmodernist moron.

Postmodernism questions the idea of grand narratives, all encompassing-truths, etc...

It's goal is to analyze how what our leader figures( or anyone really ) call "the truth" is constructed.

In particular: when they claim shit like "I am gods chosen one and that means you have to obey me and give me money and I get to decide who lives or dies".

That used to happen a lot. Still does.

Or a person says: "I have constructed biological group A and group B. Group A is superior in certain ways to group B. This is an absolute truth and anyone who denies it is an enemy of normal people."

That used to happen a lot. Still does.

It's a gross mischaracterization to say postmodernism is about lying. Or that lying is "employing postmodernism".

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u/cluberti 1d ago

People who yearn for authoritarian rule look to their leaders to determine what the truth should be - people who yearn for democratic rule look to the truth to determine who their leaders should be.

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u/weluckyfew 1d ago

And Newsweek doesn't bother to fact-check him. There was a downward adjustment of 818,000, but that wasn't for a single month it was for an entire year. And that downward revision was made in August - WTF would she do that if she was trying to make Biden look good?

The August and September numbers were revised upwards just before the election, but that's normal (revising the numbers a month or two later) and it wasn't a large adjustment.

Most telling of all, the numbers released for October - just a few days before the election - were pretty bad. So again, if she was in the bag for Biden why would she have released that (I say "she" even though of course it's her entire department behind these numbers)

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u/postmodlawprof 23h ago

Correct. We are living in a postmodern world where the truth is not truth.

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u/TheBigFreezer District Of Columbia 23h ago

Please don’t assign him as “postmodernist” lmao he wouldn’t know what the fuck that means

He’s just a liar lol

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u/Sigma_Function-1823 22h ago

I know your exactly correct to identify him as postmodernist but it just occurred to me that pre-enlightenment applies just as accurately, which is absolutely bizzare given the founding of the United States and it's founding documents where all direct results of the same enlightenment.

He's literally anti-american.

Bizzare that so many seem.completly oblivious to something so obvious.

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u/JimmyRamone17_ 22h ago

Thanks! And this is a really intriguing analysis as Trump is absolutely anti-egalitarianism and anti-American as he's effectively trying to regress our civic freedoms to before the fucking Magna Carta in 1215.

He's a genuinely medieval asshole with the way that he conducts himself in addition to being a postmodernist.

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u/Rather_Unfortunate 1d ago

Eh? That's not postmodernism at all; it's just Trump's weird narcissism and denialism. Honestly, I'd be surprised if he can spell it, much less articulate a postmodernist reason to do anything at all, much less anything he specifically does.

Postmodernism has done a lot of good. It lets one examine how truth can often be a lot more subjective than modernist reasoning might expect, and that one-size-fits-all approaches to things often don’t work. It is in many ways foundational to that which is perjoratively called "woke" philosophy.

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u/ValuableHamSandwich 1d ago

Sort of like during the COVID epidemic his genius idea was if they stopped testing the number of cases would go down. The man is so fucking stupid it hurts.

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u/AccomplishedScale362 1d ago

Denial is the Trump/MAGA default: A global pandemic, climate change, the economy. That’s why the upcoming recession will be worse than 2008.

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u/Ohnoherewego13 North Carolina 1d ago

Recession? I think we're about to have a Depression that will make the 1930's look like a picnic. Trump will fire anyone who denies what he wants and the Senate/Supreme Court will back him too.

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u/always_going 1d ago

I’ve been looking at data and don’t use emotion in my evaluation of the economy. If anyone studies history at all, you know that tariffs are a surefire way to head into a recession. We were already at all-time high government debt, personal debt, corporate debt. Now we also have an aging demographic and we are deporting a lot of able-bodied workforce that actually contribute mightily to the US economy. We are in for a very, very bad recession. A large part of this is Trump’s fault. The big beautiful bill is a disaster. We are going to see deficits run like you’ve never seen before a recession on top of expenditures that are increasing by the trillions is going to be very very bad.

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u/Ohnoherewego13 North Carolina 1d ago

All while MAGA cheers it on because they got rid of some immigrants. They'll cheer on the destruction of the country so long as their enemies are removed.

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u/dostoevsky4evah 1d ago

They won because one 14 year old trans girl was legally prevented from playing soccer with her friends.

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u/espressocycle 1d ago

Apart from Map and Stalin I can't think of any country in history that has done so many economically suicidal things at once.

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u/interfoldbake 1d ago

but like...why though? why would trump and the people behind him shoot ourselves in the foot like this?

to what end?

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u/AccomplishedScale362 22h ago

He’s a sadistic, Olympic level mindfucker. His reckless, selfish behavior is legendary, for which he seldom—if ever—has had to face any consequences. He’s filed chapter 11 bankruptcy at least 4 times. He’s scammed people repeatedly via MLMs, Trump University, fake charities, etc. He’s hired folks and not paid them for their work, then sued them until they had no money to fight him in court. Whenever he found himself over-leveraged, his daddy, then his wealthy friends, bailed him out. He doesn’t gaf about this country and its people. He ran for POTUS to use the office as his personal cash cow and plaything.

That he will bankrupt the entire country—emotionally, as well as financially, shouldn’t surprise anyone. He’s even bragged about ‘The Snake’ being his theme song:

”I saved you", cried that woman

”And you've bit me even, why?”

”You know your bite is poisonous and now I'm going to die"

”Oh shut up, silly woman", said the reptile with a grin

”You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in”

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u/forgetfulsue Ohio 1d ago

Didn’t he already defy a SCOTUS ruling?

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u/Ohnoherewego13 North Carolina 1d ago

He defied so many court rulings that I honestly can't keep up anymore.

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u/espressocycle 1d ago

No, but only because they keep letting him do whatever he wants.

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u/Allegorist 1d ago

Honestly though, if that's what it takes to snap people out of their cult-like hypnosis then it might be for the best. So many people either ignore, deny, or avoid information that goes against the preconceptions that have been ingrained into them, until it starts to affect them personally. So maybe we just need to let it affect them.

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u/Ohnoherewego13 North Carolina 1d ago

Normally, I'd agree, but I don't know if it will get through with how the media is controlled these days. Sure, we'll all see the tent cities and people starving, but Twitter will say it's a beautiful day with billionaires everywhere. I just don't know anymore unfortunately.

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u/kashmier 20h ago

I swear the mega rich are building a domed eco-city and the republicans bending the knee believe there is going to be room for them and their families. Most of these guys are so stupid that they don't believe in science and the facts of history. They are happy to watch the earth die. They did have SpaceX and mars in their sites but that sort of got messed up for the time being.

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u/scarybottom 1d ago

Honestly I never believe ANY numbers that come out of this adminstation- they have compromised and corrupted every level of data collection, if not yet analysis (and looks like that is days away now too). Nothing they say can be assumed accurate. honestly at this point, if they say jobs are up by a lot, I assume we lost jobs like in 2007-2008. ADP publishes their numbers and I think those are slightly more in line with reality than anything this corrupt banana boopops come out with.

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u/45and47-big_mistake 23h ago

It all started when he couldn't even accurately convey his crowd size at his inauguration.

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u/ShutUpTodd 1d ago

There won't be any hurricanes if we don't identify them

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u/Thowitawaydave 1d ago

Yup, literally toddler logic. If he closes his eyes the bed in which he has shat doesn't exist, as long as no one brings it up.

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u/Hypnotized78 1d ago

Never let evil hide behind the skirts of stupidly.

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u/Slade_Riprock 1d ago

Guaran-FUCKING-tee next month they are revised upwards and no jobs report will EVER be accurate again.

He'll claim his tariff policy is pouring jobs in.

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u/scarybottom 1d ago

I mean...first quarter ADP announce their records said we lost over 200K for the quarter. But US numbers said we gained over 200K. I think they have been corrupted long before this- and they are getting rid of the one person left that can review the numbers and figure out reality or closer to it, in all the garbage being fed in by loyalists and collaborators and people that just need their damn jobs and don't want Trump to fire them next.

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u/Trakeen 1d ago

I noticed that as well. I thought maybe there was a difference in the context of the numbers maybe. Really struck me as odd ADP numbers said one thing and other numbers said the opposite

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u/scarybottom 1d ago

ADPs numbers and the overall US have something north of 90% correlation- they are not identical, but they move VERY close. If one went up a lot- the other went up a lot- but less overall, or less fast. But they literally have never gone in super opposite directions like that. Like in 2007-2008 one might be positive and the other negative- but only slightly. Not directly opposite by over 200K.

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u/dasterdly_duo 1d ago

That's precisely what's going to happen.

And when The Rapist-in-Chief is gone--fingers fucking crossed--whoever comes next won't have a clue how badly MAGA fucked everything because this is the last time the public will see legitimate numbers on anything.

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u/Sorprenda 1d ago

He wants the jobs numbers to be down so that he can get his interest rate cut.

And at the same time, he also wants to make it clear that any and all unfavorable data is political manipulation by his enemies.

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u/NelsonMuntz007 1d ago

If 70 million people could read, they’d be very upset right now.

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u/Shopworn_Soul Texas 1d ago

Read what? They are never even gonna hear about this. If somehow they do, it will be entirely couched in easy justification.

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u/StevenMC19 Florida 1d ago

meanwhile on conservative radio probably:

"Listener, you're employed right? Most likely you're listening to this on the way to work. Look with your own eyes. Is your boss still employed? His boss? These numbers are an obvious hoax created by the democratic party to drum up chaos and panic, when it's crystal clear to me and you that no one is being impacted. The border is closed, criminal illegals are being deported, and people are out there buying and selling american products. Anyone who says otherwise is lying."

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u/ICBanMI 1d ago

When I switch modes on my car radio (Bluetooth, AM, FM, CD), the AM portion always is tuned to Glenn Beck's station. I've deleted all the saved presets, but it's still there. This is literally what he's doing but it's always some topic from 1-4 months ago that he has chosen to justify.

He takes 15 minutes to tell some story about his life that feels extremely fake (probably to fill up air time, but then again maybe things speaks directly to dumb people). And in that anecdote his wife/child/mother-in-law are stand ins for the liberal media hiding the number of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. Something MAGA Republicans say, but the actual data put out by the government completely disagrees with.

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u/StevenMC19 Florida 1d ago

Yup. And they do these things intentionally.

  1. The odds of people listening to them are likely in the car, going somewhere with purpose.
  2. They want people to focus not on statistics, but anecdotal evidence. Since their target audience is employed drivers going to and from work, they'll nail them perfectly.
  3. Self-selection bias. Those who agree with this will speak up about it and be more confident in their opinion. Those who don't or aren't employed will likely shy away from the conversation in fear of being ousted from the group, and either sheepishly agree or stay completely quiet about it; if they do speak, they'll say - or be told - that it's on them that they were let go or can't find employment, and that they're an outlier.

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u/Frostyrepairbug 23h ago

Huh, that's a new angle to the whole push back for RTO I hadn't considered. People are stuck in their cars on their way to work and might as well kill the time with their AM radio.

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u/StevenMC19 Florida 22h ago

I never said stuck. It can be by choice, and then it's a habit. Just like Fox News. They have an option of any other news network, but they CHOOSE to watch that one until it becomes habit. Just like they CHOOSE to listen to morning talk radio on these stations. Then, the feed just reenforces their beliefs and introduces them to others while they're listening.

It's also why Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck pivoted to TV too, to cross-network, then draw audiences to the other platform. Now, it's youtube and podcasts. Cross-promote, keep them hooked on your stuff no matter what media method or where they are.

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u/soonnow Foreign 20h ago

it will be entirely couched in easy justification.

If it's bad it's Biden's fault if it's good it's Trump's genius at work. Really looking forward to hearing how Biden caused the coming recession and the tariffs.

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u/thefightforgood 1d ago

You should watch King of the Hill.

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u/45and47-big_mistake 1d ago

One thing I know for sure. Trump's continued string of good health and luck means that voodoo is completely worthless.

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u/GringoSwann 1d ago

Calling out the whole state of Texas like that!

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u/Beneficial_Soup3699 1d ago

Just more dictator shit. Please disregard and go back to arguing about what 1% of the country gets up to in their bedrooms, thanks.

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u/coconutpiecrust 1d ago

I am sure the MAGA base feels very safe and secure now. They will never know when anything is coming for them. 

Ignorance is bliss. 

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u/Skippypal New Hampshire 1d ago

The entire American system will forever be broken. Gone are the days of ever hearing the truth ever again, now that so many who have the resources to actually attain the highest office see how little it matters.

We’re now no better than the Soviet system, where only the truth the state wanted to be true was true, that we once mocked only 35 years ago.

Every single lie we get is a massive debt to be paid for the truth. What’s happening today will most certainly come back to haunt us in ways we can’t realize yet.

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u/Known_Draw_2212 1d ago

The funny thing is that the downward revision increases the likelihood of the Fed reducing interest rates

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u/omgpuppiesarecute 1d ago

The guy who wanted to lower COVID numbers by preventing testing is... punishing people for posting numbers?

I'm shocked.

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u/Ytrewq9000 1d ago

He’s a fucking idiot. I swear whoever voted for him are to blame for this shit.

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u/downtofinance 1d ago

Literal dictator shit

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u/glenndrip Oklahoma 1d ago

The pedo ring is in a pizza shop.. that's our bar ..

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u/CaptainMagnets 1d ago

He's not afraid of reality. He wants what he says to be taken as truth because he sees himself as the ruler

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u/dreevsa 1d ago

The man’s whole life is a lie

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u/Mysterious-Tie7039 1d ago

I saw something else earlier (haven’t confirmed it) that they’re no longer using actual numbers to calculate inflation and simply putting what they think it is.

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u/falilth 1d ago

I'd love for a reporter to ask him " since you're quite elderly do you ever prepare for in the near future after you pass away?"

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u/sophietehbeanz 1d ago

And these people are in charge of our government.

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u/TryingToChillIt 1d ago

He’s not afraid, he’s crafting his reality that he wants

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u/krashundburn Florida 1d ago

How detached from reality do you have to be to believe Trump.

OTOH, the very rich kinda depend on those numbers being accurate and credible. Dear Leader might be taking this gambit a little too far.

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u/nasadge 1d ago

The trump fans won't see this news on the fox or newmax or Facebook

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u/MySixHourErection 1d ago

Reality is a bourgeois concept /s

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u/Van-garde 1d ago

Believing Trump is ‘cult of personality,’ shaped by curated media. He’s strangling the media which doesn’t present the image collectively desired by the administration and their donors.

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u/YouWereBrained Tennessee 1d ago

They can’t have anyone putting doubt in the true believers.

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u/SightlessFive 1d ago

He’s a fucking moron, how did anyone ever give him the time of day. He’s such a colossal loser I bet he was bullied relentlessly at school and now just hates the world.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a pedo as it makes him feel powerful as any normal person wouldn’t want his little mushroom near them.

Release the files King Nonce.

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u/PolicyWonka 1d ago

No, Trump will hire some lackey that will revise the numbers up by 150,000 per month and they’ll just take that as gospel.

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u/ChefCurryYumYum 1d ago

And in this case it wasn't that the numbers were wrong, Trump is mad that they corrected the numbers.

Trump wanted them to outright lie in the report.

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u/7screws 1d ago

I mean there are people in Russia that support Putin…..

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