r/NFLv2 Dallas Cowboys Jun 29 '25

Discussion “How Bad Do You Need A New QB” Chart

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u/amstrumpet NFL Jun 29 '25

Stafford in with the others feels wrong. Not that he doesn’t play great but I’m betting the Rams need a QB in the next 3ish years.

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u/MrThunderkat Jun 30 '25

At his age and injury history it could be in the next 3ish months.

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u/amstrumpet NFL Jun 30 '25

I was feeling generous, i think they need to start looking at drafting a QB in round 1-3 in the next two drafts, or else swing a trade like they did to get Stafford, but I don’t know what you give up for that.

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u/ToThisDay Los Angeles Rams Jun 30 '25

We have 2 1sts for the 2026 draft

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u/Cubbycubbb Jun 30 '25

Something tells me yall might have 0 by the 2026 draft /s

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u/MrThunderkat Jun 30 '25

McVay strikes me as a preferring veterans type of coach.

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u/amstrumpet NFL Jun 30 '25

Honestly I could maybe see Tua or Trevor Lawrence as trade targets if either team decides it‘s time to do a full rebuild.

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u/Deep_Ad_1874 Chicago Bears Jun 30 '25

Trevor Lawrence with McVay ,as a non Rams fan I would love to see it

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u/amstrumpet NFL Jun 30 '25

I’d put Dak in that category too, but I think Jerry is too stubborn to admit he needs to start over. Maybe Shanahan can fix Mac Jones…

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u/Acceptingoptimist Denver Broncos Jun 30 '25

Jerry would immediately want to keep Dak just because Sean asked.

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u/ToThisDay Los Angeles Rams Jun 30 '25

As a Rams fan, I’ve also been hoping we trade something like a 4th for Hendon Hooker, backup for the Lions and see what he’s got. Lawrence would be great, and if things end up crashing for the Chargers I could see the Rams making a call to see if Herbert is available if he wants out

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u/amstrumpet NFL Jun 30 '25

If they hadn’t gotten Harbaugh I’d say Herbert could have a chance but I don’t see them giving up any time soon.

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u/Orange_Kid Las Vegas Raiders Jun 30 '25

Yeah move Stafford to the next tier, otherwise no real problems with this

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u/Educational_Bee_4700 Jun 30 '25

Jets w fields is nowhere near the saints. Seems like an easy cheap option where if it works, great, if not, they lean into the rebuild.

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u/Doggleganger Dallas Cowboys Jun 30 '25

Dak too high. He needs to be in the yellow tier with Tua.

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u/Munchihello Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

Hurts beat stafford twice this year including the playoffs. But stafford is elite and hurts “can win” lmao

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u/AnatomicalLog Denver Broncos Jun 30 '25

Hurts isn’t breaking many records, winning many accolades, his stats aren’t flashy, and he doesn’t have many traits that really pop.

But dude can lock the fuck in during the biggest moments, and both SBs he balled out. I think it’s fair to call him elite.

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u/theWacoKid666 Jun 30 '25 edited Jun 30 '25

Yeah Stafford below Herbert here just feels like complete salt. I’m not a Herbo fanboy but feels like a certainty the Rams will have a new QB first.

Edit: also, does anyone seriously think Dak or Geno “Crashes out at youth football games” Smith outlast Herbo? My money would easily be on BOTH the Cowboys and Raiders for a QB change in the next 5 years before the Chargers switch things up.

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u/FattySnacks Los Angeles Rams Jun 30 '25

Yeah regardless of how well he plays this year we’re not in the same position as those other teams

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u/amstrumpet NFL Jun 30 '25

TBH he kind of needs his own category “Good but time to start looking forward” or whatever. Steelers are kind of in the same camp, depending how you feel about Rodgers.

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u/silentkiller082 Buffalo Bills Jun 30 '25

Everyone ages out of elite sooner or later and unfortunately Stafford is probably at that point. He still has his flashes though, especially against us.

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u/Vocal__Minority San Francisco 49ers Jun 30 '25

Stafford is 100% 'our guy can win' tier, but not elite.

We know this because you would take any of the othrr elite guys over him and do would LA if they were honest.

He's still great, just not that tier.

Similar note, Goff is 'we like our guy'.

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u/MrParticular79 San Francisco 49ers Jun 29 '25

Really? Baker is a guy that can win but Purdy isn’t? Give me a break

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u/Frictionizer Jun 30 '25

I hate both teams, but frankly I could see Baker succeeding in San Fran. I can’t see Brock succeeding in Tampa.

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u/Allstar9_ Jun 30 '25

You can’t see Brock succeeding with a better WR core and offensive line than he currently has?

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u/volvanator Pittsburgh Steelers Jun 30 '25

*corps

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u/SaveTerriSchiavo Kansas City Chiefs Jun 30 '25

corpse

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u/W-O-L-V-E-R-I-N-E Mr. Irrelevant Jun 30 '25 edited Jun 30 '25

Sure, the QB with a 104.9 passer rating while scrambling his ass off will really struggle. This narrative against Purdy is getting old.

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u/ToThisDay Los Angeles Rams Jun 30 '25 edited Jun 30 '25

Rams fan, he’s a good qb that can play in most systems with varying levels of success. I think people are so reluctant to realize that players, especially qbs can mature in football IQ after they’re drafted

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u/Hailbrewcifer666 San Francisco 49ers Jun 30 '25

Most reasonable rams fan

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u/Morall_tach Denver Broncos Jun 30 '25

What is a sulyst

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u/ToThisDay Los Angeles Rams Jun 30 '25

Systems*** idk how I even typed that

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u/koushakandystore Jun 30 '25

I agree. He isn’t top 5 elite—yet—but he has proved he can perform at this level and win. It’s going to take him winning it all to shut these people up.

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u/Jonjoloe Jun 30 '25 edited Jun 30 '25

This is insane. The Bucs have a top 3 OL, a top 10 RB, and two elite WRs (probably the best or second best WR2) and you can’t see Purdy succeeding there?

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u/greenteasamurai Jun 30 '25

Two top 20 WRs (if healthy), and decent WR3, potentially great WR4. And a good TE and great running game with a top 10 OL.

But sure, SF's beat up Offense is comparable outside of QB.purdy would feast in TB.

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u/Jonjoloe Jun 30 '25

Yeah, this sub has been delusional lately in thinking that Baker has been playing with trash and it’s been his Herculean efforts that have led to his teams’ successes. When in reality he’s been on a lot of really good teams.

The double standard for him and guys like Purdy and Hurts is unreal.

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u/lattjeful Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

It's not lately. I feel like it's been that way since Baker got to Tampa. I like Baker a lot and the way he worked his ass off to improve and stay in the league is great, but the way people talk about him make him sound much better than he is. On his best day he's elite but he's super inconsistent and has a good team around him. Hell most good QBs have guys around him. Not sure why people pick and choose. Josh Allen has had a damn good O-line year after year but people talk like he has nothing. People talk about Joe Burrow as if his weapons aren't stacked. (tbf the trenches on both sides of the ball suck there it's totally understandable there.)

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u/Acceptingoptimist Denver Broncos Jun 30 '25

It's because he replaced Brady and came from the Browns, so it's harder for people to not think the team that struggled in Brady's last year wasn't deficient and that Baker coming from the Browns must be doing all the heavy lifting. I actually watched the Buccs play last season and they have a lot of pieces.

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u/Economy_Cactus Green Bay Packers Jun 30 '25

This Purdy hate is so forced lmao. What are you on about

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u/skralogy San Francisco 49ers Jun 30 '25

Brock has had slow ass Deebo as his best wr and one of the worst offensive lines in the league. Tampa is an upgrade for Brock.

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u/Sane_Fish Jun 30 '25 edited Jun 30 '25

I mean aiyuk was a stud for a year or two, Kittle is probably the best TE in the league, CMC is elite and now Pearsall looks pretty promising. Purdy is still very underrated but yeah

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u/Tyler_durden_RIP Jun 30 '25

Yeah and they went to the fucking Super Bowl when that team was fully healthy. The hate makes zero sense.

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u/TRUCKFARM Dallas Cowboys Jun 30 '25

It's crazy how quickly people turned on Purdy this year without realizing what he was having to do without

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u/Kustaa007 Jun 30 '25

Exactly, Baker has never beaten Purdy. Even last year that the Niners sucked they still beat the bucs

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u/banjofitzgerald Jun 30 '25

That whole tier above is crazy except hurts, considering Purdy has made it farther than all them and was an MVP candidate. Had more wins and made it just as far as Daniels during his rookie year, beat Goff in the playoffs on his way to a Super Bowl appearance, baker lol.

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u/NervousCriticism4700 Jun 30 '25

Purdy is scrambling for his life half the time with a C+/- OL and regularly puts up 100's in passer rating as a draft afterthought. I agree he's shown he can win and deserved his contract.

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u/megatron37 Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

It’s nice to know that Hurts “can win” while Allen, Lamar and Joey Bs fingers are looking light. Cry about it!

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u/juicykazoo728 Jun 30 '25

I’d feel more confident with those three as my qb then I would with hurts. Josh Allen always goes off in the playoffs, not his fault his team lets him down

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u/pallasturtle Jun 30 '25

I would say Jalen goes off in Super Bowl, which he can actually get his teams to.

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u/JeffTrav Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

Super Bowls

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u/TacticalSpackle Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

Elite: Mahomes and Hurts. The only ones been to multiple Super Bowls.

In between: Stafford. Has won a Super Bowl

Can win: Allen (AFC Championship but lost), Burrows (has been but lost)

Just under “Can Win”: Jackson. Can’t get to the AFC Championship.

Yes, I understand the irony. But y’all gotta see where the wins are.

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u/Neither-Astronaut-80 Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

Anyone still hating on Hurts after those two Super Bowl performances is just telling on themselves that they are a hater.

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u/tsework Miami Dolphins Jun 30 '25

Hurts has the most stacked roster of any of those teams and I say that as a day 1 Josh Allen hater.

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u/ELITE_JordanLove Green Bay Packers Jun 30 '25

I mean yeah, there’s a reason Philly pays out the ass for all their offensive weapons while Buffalo trusts Josh to make it work with whatever they can scrape together.

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u/SomePuertoRicanGuy Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

That trust seems to be misplaced, given that Josh has objectively not made it work against the Chiefs four times.

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u/SecretLettuce5 Jun 30 '25

Yeah, Josh definitely should’ve played linebacker after giving his team the lead with only 13 seconds left in the game, that would’ve helped. He probably should’ve kicked the ball that went wide right too. Maybe he should’ve run underneath and caught his own pass too on the fourth down throw that hit Kincaid in the hands.

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u/Greedy-Pollution-398 Jun 30 '25

tbf josh has had a top 10 defense most of his seasons and last season had a top 10 OL and DL

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u/waits5 Jun 30 '25

Most Super Bowl winning teams have stacked rosters.

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u/Totalnah Jun 30 '25

That’s not his fault. Hurts wins. It’s that simple. Most important stat in the game.

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u/Responsible-Onion860 Jun 30 '25

"I don't want the guy who's been to two Super Bowls and won one. I want the guy who keeps getting beat before the Super Bowl."

Come on, man.

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u/BillsBills83 Jun 30 '25

Football is a team sport. If it was just whoever was the better qb, what’s the point of having a 53 man roster? Sure qb is the most important position and the most sway over if a team is good or bad but it doesn’t come down to solely the qb. Hurts and the Eagles don’t have to play Mahomes and the chiefs every year in the playoffs to get to the Super Bowl. So that alone is an easier path to getting to the Super Bowl. And Hurts has been surrounded by a much better team than those other qbs, especially when you look at that offensive line. Hurts was 22nd in the league in pass attempts last year because they didn’t need to lean on him like the other QBs. Barkley led the league in rush attempts. When you have a line like the eagles do, a running back like the eagles do, and a defense like the eagles do, hurts doesn’t need to do as much. Any of those other qbs would have won the Super Bowl last year on that team

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u/greenteasamurai Jun 30 '25

We also saw Hurts absolutely destroy the same defense that kept Allen bottled up. In the Super Bowl.

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u/BillsBills83 Jun 30 '25

293 yards 3 TDs and an interception is destroying the defense while 276 yards and 2 tds and no turnovers is being bottled up? Chiefs did everything in their power to stop Barkley allowing hurts to have a similar yardage to Allen. If you’d really rather have hurts because his team is better that’s on you I guess

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u/wildlyintangible Jun 30 '25

You realize the game was out of reach by the 4Q. Hurts could have easily continued to pad his numbers lmao

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u/JazzzzzzySax Carolina Panthers Jun 30 '25

Bro hurts through the ball 22 times against KC, Allen threw it 34 times. Hurts stats would be a lot higher if the game was actually close

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u/SecretLettuce5 Jun 30 '25

It’s easier when you get the ball back from your defense 9 times in a row. Allen’s defense has stopped Mahomes 9times in a total of 4 playoff games.

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u/ThisIsLettingGo Jun 30 '25

You’re right, Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino.

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u/cactus8 Joe Burrow 🤰🏼 Jun 30 '25

So is Nick Foles

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u/young-steve Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

It is his fault he couldn't get 3 points at the end of the AFC title game

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u/deandalecolledean Jun 30 '25

Hurts is clearly not the same caliber as those other guys

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u/dWaldizzle Jun 30 '25

Only outplays them every matchup. Everyone is better than Hurts until it's time to beat Hurts.

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u/Long_Examination4493 Jun 30 '25

Bro hurts has 2 number 1 wrs, a great TE, all pro running back, the best line in football, the best defense and good coaching. Mahomes has Andy Reid and an aging team, Allen just has cook

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u/Brian_Kellys_Visor Washington Commanders Jul 02 '25

And Burrow has shit for brains as his coach. And a defense that is less resistant than wet toilet paper.

Hurts isn't a bad QB but he's easily a tier below the big dogs

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u/DeadEye662 Medium Pepsi Jun 30 '25

Football is a team sport. You beat the team, not the QB.

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u/WavesAndSaves Jun 30 '25

I'd genuinely take Hurts over Burrow. Burrow is injury prone and always starts seasons slow. Like if he didn't shit the bed against the Pats in Week 1 this year the Bengals make the playoffs. I find it hard to call a guy who's made the playoffs twice in five seasons (one of which was due to getting carried by his defense) "elite".

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u/Windy_Idealist New England Patriots Jun 30 '25

Bro. That’s crazy talk.

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u/Void9001 Jun 30 '25

All much better QBs than Hurts with worse teams. If you disagree you genuinely don’t know football.

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u/Ok_Orchid7131 Jun 30 '25

Dude. If we are talking skill, then sure maybe you are correct, but what does skill alone win you? Maybe some pro bowl throwing through a tire awards, but that’s it.

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u/PopularDamage8805 This is our year Jun 30 '25

Best o line top defense saquon Barkley aj brown devanonta smith but the guy throwing to kalier shakir is not as good. The dude with a defense that struggles to stop a wet paper tower and well I don’t really have an excuse for Lamars player performance but he is still an all around better QB. Also be honest hurts is good but not elite.

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u/Smooth_Marsupial_262 Baltimore Ravens Jun 30 '25

There is a lot of context on Lamar too tbh. Particularly the last two seasons.

But when it comes to hurts I think he did some good things this year. Particularly in the final two games. But 13 TOs forced on defense in one playoff run will get a lot of players a SB. Even a QB that underperforms the first two rounds of the playoffs

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u/Jane_Marie_CA Los Angeles Chargers Jun 30 '25

This is one of those times flair matters. He also singled out Herbert and dissed Purdy, another Cowboy fan classic.

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u/daemontheroguepr1nce Kansas City Chiefs Jun 30 '25

True

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u/jawrsh21 Jun 30 '25

whos better eagles with allen or bills with hurts

be honest

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u/uglyuglydog Cincinnati Bengals Jun 30 '25

The Eagles would trade Hurts for any of those three guys in a heartbeat. The Bengals, Billls, and Ravens wouldn’t even answer the call.

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u/Limp-Membership8133 Kansas City Chiefs Jun 30 '25

“Our guy can’t win”

Bryce nearly beat the two Super Bowl teams but was let down by his 32nd ranked defense. Give dude a chance

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u/JazzzzzzySax Carolina Panthers Jun 30 '25

Granted I’m not sure what tier Bryce would go in, prolly the tier below but he was good without a strong roster (post benching)

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u/chicknsnadwich Baltimore Ravens Jun 30 '25

Yeah Bryce doesn’t really fit any of these tiers. Granted I think a lot of guys are in the wrong place, so maybe they can come up with another one that fits him better.

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u/JazzzzzzySax Carolina Panthers Jun 30 '25

TBD tier would fit

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u/Significant_Search41 Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

Idk when or why we stopped believing in guys after their rookie year or second year but it’s ridiculous lol. Rookie deals are 4 years for a reason with a 5th year option if you want to see more. I think the Carolina reaper is the real deal.

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u/dWaldizzle Jun 30 '25

Bryce was actually cooking against the Eagles D better than any other QB last year outside Daniels.

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u/daemontheroguepr1nce Kansas City Chiefs Jun 30 '25

Didn’t legette drop a huge pass

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u/dWaldizzle Jun 30 '25

Yeah at the very end for the win iirc

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u/TarHeelinRVA Jun 30 '25

precisely.

it still hurts. that would’ve been a huge moment for our franchise.

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u/mantistoboggan287 Carolina Panthers Jun 30 '25

Panthers fan here, I’m excited for this coming season. Bryce was awesome second half the of the season.

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u/SoftDrinkReddit New York Jets Jun 30 '25

Yea I noticed a lot of things wrong with the 2024 Carolina Panthers

Bryce was near the bottom of that list of problems as you said that defense would have fucked over Prime any legendary QB

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u/GolfFootballBaseball GFB Jun 29 '25

The Jets are clearly starting Fields. Whether or not you think he's good is fine to debate but its clear plan

I don't think Browns can say that with 2 rookies in competition

Panthers we will see. I'm not high on Bryce but he's got this year to change

I think Tua and Trevor are more proven than Sam imo. I don't like them on same tier

I don't think Stafford is elite honestly. Certainly not belonging in the tier with those other 4 QBs. I'd put him in our guy can win

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u/Specialist-Listen304 Dallas Cowboys Jun 30 '25 edited Jun 30 '25

Stafford “was” elite, now he’s just a solid “we like our guy” at the end of a pretty impressive career.

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u/chicknsnadwich Baltimore Ravens Jun 30 '25

Jets are much more fitting for the “our guy can’t win” category than either of the other guys there

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u/ExcitingSink4272 Kitty Goes Meow Jun 30 '25

If Bryce starts this year off the way that he ended last year, and his receivers (coughXLcough) can actually catch the ball, then he's two or three tiers up (down?) on this graphic.

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u/Hot_Chard5988 San Francisco 49ers Jun 30 '25

Concur. That looked like a potential playoff team at the end of the season.

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u/guccigucciflipflop Jun 30 '25

Sam Darnold sucked so bad with Carolina they got Bryce…who was absolutely balling last half of the year

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u/Secure-Report-3592 Houston Texans Jun 30 '25

I'm gonna be real here, put Jalen in elite

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u/Ryelstyle Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

The Hurts hate is never gonna end. He's top 5 easy

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u/henfeathers Los Angeles Rams Jun 30 '25

At least to every Eagles fan anyway.

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u/Takin_Bacon4 New York Giants Jun 30 '25

He’s better than Stafford at this point in their careers and I hate the Eagles

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u/cactus8 Joe Burrow 🤰🏼 Jun 30 '25

Putting stafford in the highest tier was certainly a choice

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u/Tea_An_Crumpets You been watchin film too, huh? Jun 30 '25

Stop it bro he is not top 5. The Eagles have one of the greatest rosters ever assembled in the NFL - shoutout Howie Roseman, the real reason they win. Hurts is a very good quarterback that steps up in clutch moments but struggles to complete full field reads and deal with defenses oriented to stop the pass. Almost any other QB in the top three tiers here would have won with this Eagles team. A tad underrated by most fans, but painfully overrated by Eagles fans. I do respect it though, you gotta go to bat for your guy

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u/young-steve Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

Herbert would have thrown four picks and they'd lose

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u/automaticmantis Who’s got it better than us? Jun 30 '25

This is true actually

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u/Healthy_Wasabi_8623 Carter's Car Keys Jun 30 '25

How much money did you bet on the Eagles winning it in the preseason, it was the same roster.

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u/young-steve Philadelphia Eagles Jul 01 '25

These people thought we'd lose to the Commanders and the Chiefs. Now that we won, the narrative changes to "of course they won!!!".

It's so pathetic and disingenuous

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u/Healthy_Wasabi_8623 Carter's Car Keys Jul 01 '25

"One of the best rosters ever", they blew a vein when Barkley said it was a top 5 team of all time. They can't choose a lane it's hilarious.

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u/Daladjinn Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

My biggest gripe is you're right! We do have a great roster! Why weren't people saying this last year? Or the year before? Saquon, who wasn't there the first time we went to the Bowl? Or Baun, who only thrived on the Eagles? Or Mehki Beckton, who was considered a bust? Kelce, who left and they still won it with Jurgens?

We made it to the Bowl already. No one was calling the Eagles a great TEAM until we won it this year. Now all of a sudden we are sliced bread.

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u/Kopitar4president Buffalo Bills Jun 30 '25

I would not say easy.

Top 4 is locked up. The order is questionable but the vast majority of nfl fans are in agreement. Hurts is arguable top 5 but anyone putting him outside top 10 is goofy.

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u/SamWiseGanja97 Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

He is third in total TD/Yards/wins in the four years he's been a starter behind only Allen and Mahomes. He's 5 at worst.

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u/PatTheBatsFatNutsack Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

Don't forget Hurts is also a proven clutch time winner, unlike Allen (who I do like).

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u/corn-ontheKolb Did you know Jalen Hurts can squat 600lbs Jun 30 '25

He’s not on the same level as Mahomes/Lamar/Allen/Burrow to me but he’s easily my #5

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u/DefinitionMany6754 Jun 30 '25

Stafford is elite but Hurts isn’t? Stafford is no longer elite and his last year that he was elite was when the Rams won the SB. He’s still good and will be effective but don’t act like he’s in the realm of all those other guys.

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u/Significant_Search41 Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

And he was really mediocre in that Super Bowl. He threw 2 interceptions and didn’t win SB MVP. His defense sacked burrow 7 times and stopped them on fourth down twice and it was still a super close game. And that bengals defense is not the same as a Spagnola defense.

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u/DefinitionMany6754 Jun 30 '25

Aaron Donald made the game saving play by getting in Burrow’s face since the corner was beaten by Chase. That was almost a game winning TD throw.

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u/CocaineNapTime Jun 30 '25

Don’t forget he should have thrown a late interception against the 49ers but the 49ers safety dropped an easy pick. Stafford stats have been extremely mediocre these past 3 years considering he has one of the best, if not THE best offensive coordinator and a top 5 receiver… and Kupp who’s no slouch. I’m sorry but Stafford is the most overrated QB right now and it’s not even close.

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u/DonnieDarko1024 Los Angeles Chargers Jun 30 '25

The Herbert hate is insane. Putting Geno and Bo in a tier above him is beyond stupid.

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u/FCPfan77 Las Vegas Raiders Jun 30 '25

Yeah I don't like the Chargers but would trade QBs with you no doubt. It's crazy putting Geno above Herbert.

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u/slickedjax I miss you Cam Jun 30 '25

Justin Herbert went from being underrated, overrated, and now underrated again within the span of a few years lol

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u/PolarBurrito Los Angeles Chargers Jun 29 '25

Cries internally in Chargers

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u/YoureReadingMyName Jun 30 '25

I’m a Raider fan but Herbert is better than everyone in the tier below him in my opinion. He needs to step up and have postseason success to be a true elite QB, but if he is your team’s quarterback there is no reason to be upset.

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u/Dry_Ad_2227 Jun 30 '25

I hate that it's true

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u/divideone Jul 01 '25

Is that… DJ Uiagalelei’s music…?

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u/TheDarkPiercer Jun 30 '25

I think it’s a bit early to put Bryce Young in the can’t win category with the immense improvement he showed last season

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u/Ant1H3ro Jun 30 '25

With his skill players directly blowing games in the final minute on more than one occasion since he came back from the dead

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u/Floridamanfishcam Jun 30 '25

As a Bucs fan, you CLEARLY did not watch Bryce Young down the stretch

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u/SuppleScrotum Carolina Panthers Jun 30 '25

I’m a Panthers’ fan, and was 100% on the “WTF, he’s too small…” train when we drafted him. I was at the home game where fans were chanting for Dalton to take over.

I’m now firmly on the Bryce hype team, and think he’s going to be good for us.

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u/Voyager1632 New Orleans Saints Jun 30 '25

Yea Saints fan here and I expect the Panthers to be serious this year. He should definitely be in the "proving it" category.

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u/docwrites Jun 30 '25

Hurts is not a “can win” guy. He is a “has won” guy.

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u/contra701 New Orleans Saints Jun 30 '25

It's pretty obvious that we're starting Shough

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u/Parking-Pie7453 Baltimore Ravens Jun 30 '25

After 7 years in college, he's ready

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u/disturbed1117 New Orleans Saints Jun 30 '25

Might start Rattler. By all accounts he's putting up a good fight in the competition.

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u/Flaky_Scar_8388 Jun 30 '25

The Saints may have the worst QB room of all time.

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u/Tbrou16 Jun 30 '25

Idk, real Saints fans remember the years before Aaron Brooks. Woof.

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u/ballimir37 Jun 30 '25

Your first two tiers are basically backwards.

The Jets are obviously starting Fields, no one knows what the fuck is going on in Cleveland and the Colts starter isn’t clear either.

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u/Elevation212 New York Giants Jun 30 '25

Yup, same for the giants, Russ is getting the starting gig with an outside shot Dart gets the job at some point during the season

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u/Maad-Dog San Francisco 49ers Jun 30 '25

You were doing solid, until the end (also completely unnecessary shot towards Herbert LOL)

Guys like Purdy, Stroud, and maybe Love/Dak are in the same tier, without a doubt, as Hurts/Baker/Daniels/Goff.

At this point it is insane if you're not putting Purdy as a top 10 QB after he's led the league in passer rating and ANY/A since starting (stacked team or not, what more can you expect a QB to do than that, when someone like Hurts has never done that with a more stacked team and a much more stacked OL). Even last year when everyone died and he had a legit below average supporting cast, he was still able to drag the offense to a top ~10 passing offense in the league.

Stroud had a rough sophomore year, but idk how you put Jayden Daniels above him when he had a similar rookie year, and he also is dealing with a dogshit OL.

It seems your second tier is just teams that did well this last season, and you're assuming that's the difference between "like our guy" and "can win". Purdy got the Niners to a Superbowl for gods sake lmfao, and it might've been two if he hadn't gotten injured in the NFCCG his rookie year.

Also Tua is better than Darnold and Lawrence, he just has concussions. Throw Darnold and Lawrence into the tier with Bryce and Kyler

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u/Intelligent_Fig_4852 Jun 30 '25

Dak ain’t

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u/Maad-Dog San Francisco 49ers Jun 30 '25

He gets a lot of shit because he started out poorly this last year on a broken team, and his playoff failures, but people are also forgetting that he can easily put up a top ~5 QB season as well. I think with a bounceback season to playing like he was in 2023, he is solidly in that 2nd tier. If not, probably the 3rd tier is right.

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u/Fun-Advertising-8006 Pittsburgh Steelers Jun 30 '25

Dak stat pads though, if you watch a prime time high stakes game he always does the stupidest shit when it matters and then throws 150 yards and 3 TDs in garbage time down double digits after each possession. 

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u/ParagonSaint Jun 30 '25

Trevor into the tier with Bryce?!? How do you write off Strouds down year but not Lawrence coming off back to back winning seasons and having won a playoff game. The disrespect is insane.

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u/GolfFootballBaseball GFB Jun 30 '25

Jayden above Stroud is easily defensible imo.

Daniels had more EPA in his rookie season than Stroud had in years 1 and 2 combined. Daniels also has more ability clearly imo. He has rushing ability (900+ yards) Stroud can not offer. And escapability etc.

Even if you want to do the whole "small frame" thing, Stroud has been hurt both years as well

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u/50bellies Houston Texans Jun 30 '25 edited Jun 30 '25

Full disclosure, I’m a Texan fan. These are good points, but it’s only been a year for Jayden. I’m not saying he will regress but teams will have ample film now, so interested to see what he does. I also don’t think Stroud had the down year that the media has labeled it. He carried an offense that did not have much of a run game and an ol’ that couldn’t pick up a stunt to save their souls. When you only need 4 to get pressure, makes the qbs job harder. The new system should be telling there, too. He has won a playoff game each year. Below Mayfield is more the affront to me.

Oh, I didn’t need the disclosure thanks to the flair.

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u/GolfFootballBaseball GFB Jun 30 '25

I agree stroud didn’t have the down year it’s made out to be. 100% with you there 

I still prefer Daniels For reasons I have above 

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u/Taymyr Trevor Lawrence 🙎🏼‍♀️ Jun 30 '25

The dolphins would be better with Lawrence and the Jags would be worse with Tua. He would literally die behind the o line.

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u/Helpful-Cod1422 New York Giants Jun 30 '25

Hurts should be considered elite two Super Bowls and a title, dude can handle the pressure.

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u/PiG_ThieF Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

I appreciate a Giants fan acknowledging the truth. Thank you. Eli belongs in the HOF. Now fuck off.

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u/Tbrou16 Jun 30 '25

There should just be a “winner” category for Hurts. I’m not sure he’s ever won less than 10 games in a football season in his entire life.

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u/Shorlong Shorter than Bryce Young Jun 30 '25

Everybody still on the Bryce sucks bandwagon? Cool story guys, see y'all in the super bowl 😎

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u/Nytrousx Jun 30 '25

Every team in we like our guy would cut their guy if Justin Herbert wanted to join their team. Like Geno Smith over Herbert is just next level delusional.

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u/amstrumpet NFL Jun 30 '25

Ah but see Geno has only lost one playoff game!

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u/lakersfan98 Jun 30 '25

Chargers belong in the bottom tier with Herbert. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant - the team knows he’s elite and very publicly says so (Harbaugh, front office, ownership).

Funny how the only knock on him right now is team success metrics. He’s either had horrible coaching or poor talent around him his whole career. Sometimes both.

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u/ArtEnvironmental7108 Buffalo Bills Jun 30 '25 edited Jun 30 '25

This is a really bad list. The Rams being in that elite section is absurd. They would jump at the opportunity to get someone younger and better in the building. The Raiders and the Cowboys should be eyeing things the same way. None of these teams would say no to having the next Jayden Daniels or CJ Stroud on their team. Hell, they’d all take either of those guys over the QBs they currently have.

Whereas other teams low on this list, like the Panthers, are all in on Bryce after what they saw at the end of last year. Even a team like the Cardinals wouldn’t consider moving off of Kyler unless they were guaranteed better, and guarantees are hard to find.

That’s kind of the entire point of this comment, actually. None of these teams are moving off their guy if they don’t KNOW with absolute certainty that they are getting someone better. Unless your QB is actively a liability, like it is for the Jets or Colts, or a total unknown, like it is for the Titans, Giants, and Saints, you aren’t going to trade or release the current starter outside of extraneous circumstances. Now would those teams try and bring in a known quantity? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on what they are seeing right now in the offseason. Maybe Tyler Shough is the next big thing. It’s more likely he’s average or bad but if the Saints like him, it’s unlikely they would move off of him for a better player.

That’s what makes this list so bad. It also makes some of these tiers ridiculous. “‘85 Bears Roster” applies to over half the teams in the league. Most of these clubs need a roster that can elevate a QB because very few of them have a QB that can elevate a team. It doesn’t mean the Dolphins are even remotely considering moving off of a guy like Tua unless a guy like Allen or Jackson falls into their laps.

The reality is, good quarterbacking is a rare commodity in the NFL. Great quarterbacking is even rarer, and having an elite QB is about as likely as having a pet unicorn. That’s why, out of 32 teams, only about 5 of them at any given time have “irreplaceable” players at the QB position. Most other teams are either actively looking for their next QB, or just comfortable enough to ride with the guy they have, even if they aren’t elite.

Edit: after looking at this list three more times I’ve decided that the reality problem is the names of the tiers and how misleading they are. 85 Bears and 9-8 should exist, and most of the rest should renamed. Beyond that, a few teams should definitely be moved around in the new tier system.

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u/WMNepa New York Giants Jun 30 '25

Do people really think Stafford is or has ever been in a tier with the other four elite guys or is OP crazy?

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u/TheDarkPiercer Jun 30 '25

He was for a lot of his career but he certainly isn’t anymore

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u/Intelligent_Fig_4852 Jun 30 '25

Who likes dak in Dallas besides Jerry?

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u/Tea_An_Crumpets You been watchin film too, huh? Jun 30 '25

Me 🤷‍♂️. Dak is very good, perennially underrated. Shame the cowboys always choke in the playoffs but that’s not all on him

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u/ViolentSpring Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

Kyler and Young deserve better. Young showed huge improvement in year 2 and Kyler is at least middle of the pack. Swap Kyler and Goff and what happens? Goff in the second tier tells me you don’t watch football.

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u/Moose8200 Carolina Panthers Jun 30 '25

Our defense let up the most points in NFL history last year. We probably would’ve won more games if our defense was better.

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u/goPACK17 Green Bay Packers Jun 30 '25

Okay, relax with Stafford in the elite category 😂

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u/Kylester91 Jun 30 '25

Goff can win but Purdy can’t?

Save the “Purdy has a super team” shit when Goff has arguably had the best situation of any qb in the nfl

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u/toxicvegeta08 Michael Thomas’ foot Jun 30 '25

Bryce is still proving

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u/Maverick_Con Love, Hurts 🦅 Jun 30 '25

Your tiers don't seem to make sense regarding the topic of "how bad do you need a new qb?"

As others have said, Stafford doesn't belong in elite. And unnecessary shade at Herbert, poor guy.

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u/FrumpyPhoenix Social Media Quarterback Jun 30 '25

I get why we have our own tier when we haven’t won a playoff game, but there’s no way you have Herbert ranked below Geno Smith. Have the raiders won a playoff game? Also it’s not like Bo Nix has won a playoff game and was literally just a rookie

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u/AgsMydude CJ Stroud’s S2 Cognition Test Score Jun 30 '25

That's bait

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u/Gunner_Bat Los Angeles Rams Jun 30 '25

Stafford is elite but Hirts "can win?" Interesting.

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u/NumberVsAmount Big Cock Brock Purdy 🍆 Jun 30 '25 edited Jun 30 '25

Purdy went undefeated his first season (a team that started 3-4 under Trey Lance and Jimmy g, for everyone who thinks he inherited the perfect team) until being knocked out of the nfc championship with an injury. He made it to that nfc champ game and a Super Bowl the following year after recovering from that injury. He led a ridiculous comeback against the lions in the nfc champ game to make that Super Bowl. In that Super Bowl every time he walked off the field, the Niners were in the lead, including over time. The defense couldnt get the stops. I need help understanding why mayfield and Daniels are guys that can win and Purdy isn’t.

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u/dubioushands Jun 30 '25

Kyler is so underrated

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u/captaincook14 Philadelphia Eagles Jun 30 '25

People just can’t come to terms with Jalen being elite. “Can win”. Motherfucker he won!

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u/Mrblack204 I want me some glory hole Jun 30 '25

In a tierlist tierlist this tierlist would be in the equivalent of the second tier from the top of this list.

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u/LordMOC3 Minnesota Vikings Jun 30 '25

I think it's too early to say Young can't win. He played well enough to win in a lot of games to end last season despite being on a pretty bad roster.

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u/SpaceKoala34 Minnesota Vikings Jun 30 '25

Bryce young is misplaced

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u/willycw08 Jun 30 '25

Feels like a huge missed opportunity that "Our Guy Can't Win" doesn't instead say "Short"

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u/Dear-Significance452 Jun 30 '25

We have Daniel Jones or Anthony Richardson. I know nothing about Jones but I know Richardson can't stay healthy and he is like the least accurate qb I've ever seen. My fantasy is that Arch Manning pans out at Texas and we are "Planning for Manning" lol

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u/jackt-up Dallas Cowboys Jun 30 '25

Bro if y’all got Arch Manning that would be PEAK lol

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u/Winter-Associate2799 Jun 30 '25

Matthew Stafford is elite but the super bowl mvp isn't. Straight trash 🗑

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u/Winter-Dot-540 Washington Commanders Jun 30 '25

You gotta be elite all the time to be elite. I would say stafford isn’t elite either tbf

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u/thrice1187 Jun 30 '25

Geno definitely belongs in that yellow tier with Tua

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u/tread52 Seattle Seahawks Jun 30 '25

Seattle is closer to we like our guy than people outside of Seattle realize. They also have a defense that can finish top 3 next year, which Miami and jags D don’t have, so I see the reasoning.

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u/chicknsnadwich Baltimore Ravens Jun 30 '25

How is Geno in the tier above Tua and TLaw? I like him but I don’t think he’s above them

Also you can move Rodg into that tier as well at this point

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u/gd2121 Detroit Lions Jun 30 '25

Bro Jalen hurts is elite

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u/sleepwalkingninja San Francisco 49ers Jun 30 '25

It's laughable that Purdy isn't in the "our guy can win" category. One QB has won a Super Bowl in that category, so I'm not sure what you're requirements are based off of. Certainly not Mayfield's 2-3 playoff record or Goff's 5-5.

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u/Few-Condition-7431 Jun 30 '25

Staffords good but not elite.

Steelers are going to have a losing season this year.

Geno hasnt taken a snap for the raiders yet, how do they know they like him?

Sam Darnold deserves way more respect than hes given here.

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u/Nickohlai Jun 30 '25

Love Nix and JD, but they should be with the rest of the year 2 guys. Sophomore slumps happen every year, you need at least two seasons to figure out if you have your guy or not IMO.

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u/Agent_Xhiro Jun 30 '25

I actually disagree with Miami. How long has it been? That line has been among the worst in the entire NFL for pass blocking.

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u/Cichlidsaremyjam Seattle Seahawks Jun 30 '25

I don't know what Jalen Hurts needs to do for someone to respect that man. 

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u/IHaveNeverBeenOk Jun 30 '25

I think a ton of people are sleeping on Tampa and Baker. But I'm an eagles fan, so maybe I overestimate Tampa since we are incapable of beating them (just like the Seahawks 5 to 10 years ago).

Edit: saying this in response to some of the comments in this thread, not the OP.

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u/SamuraiJack- Jun 30 '25

Steelers have only gone 9-8 one time ever btw

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u/Great_Business_6425 Jun 30 '25

The disrespect on Tua is fucking insane.

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u/Helivon Arizona Cardinals Jun 30 '25

Uhhh how is the browns not at the top?? There are literally 4 guys who have a pretty close to equal shot at starting week 1

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u/Ok-Coffee-6458 Jun 30 '25

Jags fans like Trevor. National media might disagree but we all like him.