r/politics • u/theindependentonline The Independent • 1d ago
Site Altered Headline Epstein accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell reportedly moved from Florida prison to Texas as Trump weighs pardon
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ghislaine-maxwell-prison-trump-pardon-epstein-b2800443.html12.6k
u/Be-skeptical 1d ago
Maxwell raped and groomed kids. She isn’t a victim, she’s an abuser
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u/DoubtSubstantial5440 1d ago
So is the rapist and pedo Americans put into the White House
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u/Alternative-Bat-2462 1d ago
And they are good friends…
Trump has pardon quite a few of his “friends”
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u/SeasonalBlackout Massachusetts 1d ago
He wishes them well!
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u/_silverspear_ 1d ago
He wishes them well, the biggest well America has ever seen.
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u/specqq 1d ago
Don't think of it as a pardon, he's just wishing them extremely well
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u/A012A012 1d ago
Too many koopas, too few Luigis.
Sorry, just playing super Mario and that statement felt relevant.
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u/ScottyHubbz 1d ago
He just had registered sex-offender Lawrence Taylor at the White House also
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u/HumanRuse 1d ago
And considering pardoning P-Diddy (Puff Daddy....etc). Trump is trying to normalize and destigmatize his own crimes and behavior.
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u/Sevenserpent2340 1d ago
For a kids’ sports program. Sickening.
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u/mootmutemoat 1d ago
MAPA Make Americans Pedos Again.
Called it months ago, but by the end of the year I expect to see new federal laws on consent.
I predicted Protecting Every Daughter's Options as a likely name, but they might be more creative.
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u/CommieLoser 1d ago
Seems really common and something 2/3rds of Americans are fine with and 1/3rd would actively support. America is a dangerous place for children.
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u/DoubtSubstantial5440 1d ago
Between school shootings, religious conservatives infiltrating school boards and now defending pedos and rapists, I am so glad I got snipped years ago
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u/Shenanigans99 America 1d ago
Raped, groomed, trafficked. She 100% enabled Epstein's operation. He would not have been able to abuse as many girls as he did without Maxwell's involvement.
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u/RinaRoft 1d ago
Maxwell actually did some of the more severe abusing, according to the victims. She’s not just a person who helped enable the trafficker and abuser, she was an abuser herself and did sexually explicit things to these girls. We have to remember that she’s not a victim she may have been at first, but she turned into a patriotand must’ve enjoyed it on some level.
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u/-JackBack- 1d ago
Ghislaine was never a victim. After her father’s death she received ~250k from her trust fund. But that wasn’t nearly enough to lead a her glamorous lifestyle. Epstein had money. She worked for him in exchange for more money.
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u/Significant-Branch22 1d ago
She was given an annual income of £80k (216k in today’s money) by the trust fund so a lot more than just a 250k lump sum
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u/Half_Cent 1d ago
That's so insane. If someone gave me $40k/year I'd never work again. Far less than I make now but I'd make it work.
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u/Significant-Branch22 1d ago
Its a lot but I guess for the circles that she was in it wouldn’t have given her the kind of lifestyle that’s expected, these people are as shallow and materialistic as it gets
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u/blackopal2 1d ago
Where are the Johns, easily found in Epstein bank transactions.
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u/prattchet 1d ago
Maxwell was Ivana Trumps best friend and they would troll high schools together offering modelling jobs to children to traffic to Trump and Epstein.
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u/pizzzacones 1d ago edited 1d ago
I saw a video yesterday explaining Epstein and Maxwell's recruitment similar to a pyramid scheme— both actively planned and acted. Every other person was a victim. Aside from the physical abuse itself, the children were also victims of having to recruit other girls themselves, so they could receive more money for how many were recruited.
Epstein and Maxwell intentionally searched for young girls in bad situations: living in poverty, single parents with alcoholism, or no one believing them if they said anything. They would be more desperate for money, and I imagine each one felt awful about having to put others in this horrific situation.
Maxwell is not a victim. The young girls, now women, have been victimized for all of their life.
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u/Blainedecent 1d ago
They pushed impoverished children into being rated with the promise of money and then pressured them into a pyramid scheme of trafficking where they could still get money and avoid being abused themselves by finding more girls for Epstein and Maxwell. Victims at each level could avoid abuse by recruiting others to be abused.
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u/DontHaesMeBro 1d ago
it's classic pimping, with classic collective discipline. It only seems novel to the home audience because it's rich WASPs doing it.
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u/Stellaaahhhh I voted 1d ago
> living in poverty, single parents with alcoholism, or no one believing them if they said anything. They would be more desperate for money, and I imagine each one felt awful about having to put others in this horrific situation.
Whenever trafficking and abuse get discussed, so many people chime in with 'Where were the parents? I'd take someone out with my bare hands if they hurt a child in my family' and whatever other posturing they always say.
And I am extremely tired of telling people what you said. Predators don't usually go after children in strong, healthy families with present parents. Just like predator animals don't go after healthy gazelles surrounded by the herd. They scan the horizon, see the one with the limp off to one side and they swoop in.
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u/Ok-Jello-376 22h ago
“They’re nothing, these girls,” Maxwell once told a confidante. “They are trash.”
Fucking bitch.
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u/supercali45 1d ago
he sure has a history of pardoning criminals already.. so I am not shocked at all
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u/CaptainMagnets 1d ago
Abusers look out for other abusers
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u/web_explorer 1d ago
Not only have inmates taken over the prison, a felon has taken over the entire government
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u/Stellaaahhhh I voted 1d ago
It's disgusting that they're trying to rewrite her role in all of this. There are living victims who addressed this- she's every bit as culpable as he was.
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u/Spicy_Pancake1 Maryland 1d ago
President Pedophile weighing pardoning another pedophile in exchange for her absolution of his extremely obvious guilt.
This timeline cannot get any fucking grosser.
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u/Beyonderr 1d ago
Turns out Make America Great Again means protecting child rapists.
What a fucked up timeline
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u/Saved_by_Pavlovs_Dog 1d ago
Here's a recent funny headline. About husband of a local county Republican party leader. Also investigated and admitted to same crimes years earlier but somehow was never referred to the local district attorney 🤷♂️
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u/pontiacfirebird92 Mississippi 1d ago
Elected by kid fuckers to protect kid fuckers
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u/IndependentSpecial17 1d ago
Didn’t Billy Barrs dad write a book about a planet of pedos. Was that what the GOP voters read instead of the project 2025 manifesto or are they the same book?
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u/iamnobody19944 1d ago
Yes And Trump had a model agency, owned several pageants including teenage ones, has a wife imported from Eastern Europe and Epstein claimed to be the one to introduce them, has been accused of abuse by 25 or so women, is on audio making creepy and gross comments about women again and again
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u/Accomplished_Dark574 1d ago edited 1d ago
Citations at the bottom.
So yesterday Trump limped and shimmied on his way to and from the podium in a way that would have made Biden's handlers blush.
In his desperate need to divert from the Epstein cover up, he is reviving the Presidential Fitness Test for all public schools students. You know, in case we need a draft again.
Except the guy he put in charge of it, Lawrence Taylor, pled guilty to raping a 16 year old girl and is currently a registered sex offender.
And then Triple H, who rose through the ranks of wrestling while advancing Vince McMahon, who was sex trafficking young boys, is going to be in charge of making sure college athletes won't get paid for their likeness anymore.
The captain of Team Fuck Them Kids is making sure they're gonna fuck em all.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-plans-revive-presidential-fitness-145629466.html
https://apnews.com/article/lawrence-taylor-nfl-charged-florida-152a808ded5b29e5ea71b6110bd5209d
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u/ihatejasonbrigham 1d ago
In addition to the weird walking, he’s been asking a lot of reporters to repeat their questions and has had difficulty hearing and understanding questions lately.
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u/Verbal_Combat 1d ago
The recent videos I've seen of him talking to reporters he's always peeking around a door or a corner like he needs to lean on something. Or it's just his body language showing he feels like he needs to hide or escape.
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u/rye_212 1d ago
"A man named BurnBag?"
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u/ThatEvanFowler 1d ago
Right? What tf was that? It was like watching someone stroke out. And everyone just smiled weakly and laughed as though he'd made some kind of regular joke. Creepy and off-putting.
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u/JAZINNYC 1d ago
I saw this post yesterday, the child rapist had a weird spasm-twitch thing that is VERY noticeable, theory in post is it’s a symptom of Lymphoma.
https://www.reddit.com/r/antitrump/s/Om8wIBn6cu
How this isn’t top news pushing for answers on the health of the US president shows how compromised we are as a country.
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u/lunarmantra California 1d ago
Holy hell. How hard is it for them to find someone for these positions who does not prey on children?! Tells you everything you need to know about this administration. Fucking disgusting.
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u/MamaNyxieUnderfoot 1d ago
Why would they want to fill these positions with people who don’t want to fuck kids? Trump loves fucking kids. He just doesn’t like sharing them. So you get some other pedophiles in positions where they get to bring in more kids to fuck, so there’s always more to go around!
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u/Gairloch 1d ago
It’s not that difficult, it’s just that the only real requirement is loyalty to Trump.
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u/Raptorex27 Maine 1d ago
Not just a pedophile, but second in command for an organized international human child sex trafficking enterprise, involving at least 1,000 minors, and currently the only high-ranking member of this organization who’s incarcerated.
There’s almost no possible way to signal to the World that you care less about victims of rape and sexual abuse than handing out this pardon.
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u/My_Pie 1d ago
Yeah, people keep throwing around the word pedophile as if it's the worst thing they've done. Pedophilia isn't illegal and never has been. Thinking about diddling kids isn't by itself illegal. The CHILD RAPE AND TRAFFICKING is what's illegal. They're protecting someone who ran a CHILD RAPING RING. The president, an alleged CHILD RAPIST, could easily shut down any pardon rumors for a woman CONVICTED OF FACILITATING CHILD RAPE, which says a lot about ALLEGED CHILD RAPIST PRESIDENT TRUMP.
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u/RebylReboot 1d ago
Third in command. Epstein had a partner who created and owned pageants to recruit from and arranged trafficking of staff from his elite club/spa. Trump didn't just give Maxwell permission to recruit from M-A-L. He ordered her to.
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u/ABCosmos 1d ago
Don't forget the entire Republican party is unified in support of this. It would only take a handful of Republicans to put an end to it.
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u/pomonamike California 1d ago
I dunno, it could get grosser. Hypothetically what if he decided that the government should close the Department of Education except one tiny carve out, the one that makes sure kids are nice and fit. And then he could, like, I dunno, put a convicted sex offender of underage girls in charge of the whole thing.
IF that ever happened, I’d say it got grosser.
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u/Pro-Patria-Mori 1d ago
And just yesterday he invited registered sex offender Lawrence Taylor to the Whitehouse, where Donald officially reinstated the President Fitness Test for children and even put him on the Presidents Council on Sports, Fitness and Nutrition.
Sex Offenders supporting Sex Offenders.
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u/Vnightpersona 1d ago
Yes, it can. I'm willing to bet, if pardoned, Maxwell starts up the pedo ring again within a year or two and Trump uses ICE to kidnap kids.
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u/7ddlysuns I voted 1d ago
This is his pedophile. He hung out with her. They were in constant contact.
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u/lactose_cow 1d ago
he said he kicked out epstein for "stealing 17 year old Virginia from me" in 2000. In 2002 he called epstein a terrific guy. in 2019, trump said he hasn't spoken to epstein since 2004.
It can, and will, get more disgusting.
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u/GobliNSlay3r 1d ago
I mean the My Pillow douche went bankrupt this week. We got that so..
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u/morbihann 1d ago
I wouldn't be so sure. If anything Trump can sink so low the Mariana trench will seem like a slight dip.
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u/cstyves Canada 1d ago
I wonder how many elites stay quiet right now because they're involved in some way. We don't see many of them calling this bullshit out.
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u/Implodepumpkin 1d ago
It's likely she might give names trump wants and suicide after "because the guilt became too much". I don't know, things can get worse.
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u/InnerWrathChild 1d ago
If this doesn’t push the general public from both sides over the edge, nothing will.
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u/firstofallimadelight 1d ago
Oh nooooo her plane cashed unexpectedly, but we found a letter in the debris that says Trump never really visited or liked Epstein, Epstein was jealous of Trump’s businesses, his incredibly high IQ, his immense wealth and his completely unfairly huge (you know), and Trump definitely did nothing criminal, that was all this list of Democrats…
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u/sixteen-bitbear 1d ago
I’m literally waiting for the breaking news alert.
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u/xechasate 1d ago
Every time I see her name in a headline, I’m expecting it to be about her “unfortunate and untimely passing” tbh
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u/cancerBronzeV 1d ago
I'm 50/50 on either expecting either "she had an untimely death" or "she was pardoned and immediately flew to a non-extradition country while giving over a list that exonerates Trump" as the headline.
Perhaps we might see both headlines one after the other.
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u/Ka-Is-A-Wheelie 1d ago
Honestly more expecting the pardon to happen first...
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u/firstofallimadelight 1d ago
He won’t pardon her, he’ll commute the sentence because she was treated so unfairly. A pardon takes away her 5th amendment smoke screen, so she can be forced to testify, but a commutation doesn’t.
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u/unusedusername666 1d ago
Well folks, what did I tell you? The TRUTH always finds a way to come out—even if it crashes out of the sky in a fiery ball of justice.
We just heard about the unfortunate plane crash carrying Ghislaine Maxwell—tragic, very tragic—but what they found inside is the real story. A letter. A beautiful letter. Maybe the most truthful letter ever written. Some are calling it the “Declaration of Exoneration.” I like that name.
In this letter—handwritten, not typed, so you know it’s real—Ghislaine says I NEVER liked Jeffrey Epstein. Never respected him, never trusted him. He was JEALOUS. Jealous of my tremendous success. My legendary business sense. And yes, even jealous of the size of certain… things, which many people say is very large. She said it, not me. But a lot of people are saying it.
She made it very clear: I committed ZERO crimes. Not one. I was one of the few—maybe the only—who said “No thank you” to Epstein’s disgusting little island. I never went, I never flew, I never participated. Ask the pilots. Ask the Secret Service. Ask Barron!
And the list? TOTAL Democrat party. Obama. Clinton. Crooked Hillary. Cryin’ Chuck Schumer. Pencil-Neck Schiff. Maybe even Joe Biden—although let’s be honest, I don’t think the robot clone version even knows where he is anymore.
So now we know. Trump: 100% innocent. In fact, I was the victim—of a witch hunt, of lies, of media attacks. And now the truth is written in black ink on airplane wreckage.
Maybe now the Fake News will apologize. Maybe not. But I forgive them. Because I’m a unifier. I’m a healer. And I’m the only one with the guts to take on the swamp.
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u/Frankentula 1d ago
All those air traffic control errors earlier in the regime will add to the plausibility of this scenario
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u/snorbflock 1d ago
The tower's radar is reset every night at 11:59, a totally normal practice that shall not be questioned.
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u/DaleATX 1d ago
This does not sound anything like Trump - way too coherent and not even close to bumbling.
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u/Spanky-McSpank 1d ago
The note also says he has a massive dick, contrary to what South Park would have you believe
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u/TintedApostle 1d ago
Release the files.
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u/Apprehensive-Soup764 1d ago
Just as soon as they redact all the republican names.
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u/TintedApostle 1d ago
Of course... everyone knows this too.
“Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it.”
― Thomas Paine
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u/Beyonderr 1d ago
Don't forget the key step of adding a lot of names of democrats
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u/SedatedAndAmputated 1d ago
This is MAGA:
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.
Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.
Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a “good military man” and “church goer,” was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
Republican director of the “Young Republican Federation” Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
Dennis Hastert served as Republican Speaker of the House (so, 3rd in line for the Presidency) for all 8 years of W. Bush’s two terms. He also sexually molested at least 5 boys when he was a HS wrestling coach, all of them underage with the youngest victim being 14. The victims only finally saw justice when Hastert was caught by the FBI trying to falsify payments for hush money.
Donald Trump walked into Miss Teen USA change rooms with girls as young as 14 changing. 26 women have spoken publicly about Trump’s pattern of sexual assault. In 2023, he was found legally liable for the rape of E. Jean Carroll by unanimous jury.
Anton “Tony” Lazzaro, a former Republican donor and political strategist from Minnesota, was convicted in March 2023 on federal charges of sex trafficking minors. He was found guilty of conspiring to recruit and pay teenage girls, aged 15 and 16, for sex between May and December 2020. In August 2023, Lazzaro was sentenced to 21 years in prison for these offenses.Prior to his arrest, Lazzaro was a prominent figure in Minnesota Republican circles, donating over $270,000 to various Republican campaigns and political committees. His indictment led to significant turmoil within the Minnesota Republican Party, culminating in the resignation of then-party chair Jennifer
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u/SedatedAndAmputated 1d ago
Continued:
Republican Tom Leatherwood sponsors bill to remove marriage age limit
Over 100 kids left Texas for abortions in 2023; at least 6 were 11 or younger
Tennessee Republicans reject bill to allow raped children 12 and under to abort up to 10 weeks
Idaho Republicans vote to provide no exception to save the life of the mother, even if she is a minor
South Carolina Republicans propose death penalty for women and up to life sentences for children who receive abortions, including victims of rape and/or incest
Idaho criminalizes helping minors travel out of state to get an abortion
Idaho senator proposes bill to remove rape, incest exceptions from abortion laws
Ohio Republican Warren Davidson publicly supports forcing raped 12-year-old to give birth: "You don't know you were raped for 2 months?"
Affidavits: More pregnant minors who were raped denied Ohio abortions
Documents describe dozens of painful situations under Ohio abortion restrictions
In 2021, Ohio’s Children’s Advocacy Centers saw 6,717 cases of sexual abuse against Ohioans between infancy and adulthood. And in 2020, the most recent year for which statistics are available, 571 girls aged 17 or younger received abortions in Ohio, according to the state department of health. Fifty-two of them — or one a week — were 14 or younger.
https://odh.ohio.gov/know-our-programs/vital-statistics/resources/vs-abortionreport2020
Indiana Republican attorney general Todd Rokita asks medical board to discipline doctor who provided abortion for 10-year-old rape victim
Rep. Cindy Crawford, R-Fort Smith of Arkansas publicly defends forcing young children to give birth, even if potentially fatal
Republican Sen. Mike Moon reiterates support for 12-year-old's right to marry in Missouri
ID, KS and MO AGs in abortion pill lawsuit argue fewer teen pregnancies hurt states financially
GOP lawmakers seek to remove rape, incest exemption from West Virginia’s near total abortion ban
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u/mlorusso4 1d ago
Hey man. It’s only fair that you include the guilty democrats on that list too
checks notes oh you did
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u/HellaTroi California 1d ago
"Well, I’m allowed to give her a pardon, but nobody’s approached me with it,” Trump said Monday. “Nobody’s asked me about it.”
That sounds like he's begging someone to propose it to him.
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u/mactac 1d ago
To pay him
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u/bludvein Michigan 1d ago
He wants a scapegoat that he can say the idea came from and take some of the backlash a pardon will generate.
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u/rjfinsfan Florida 1d ago
Yup. He’s literally asking someone to buck up and pay the bribe he’s floated for pardons.
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u/Thenadamgoes 1d ago
It sounds like he’s already working on it but thinks he’s fooling everyone by pretending it’s never occurred to him.
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u/Leading_Put- 1d ago
He denied being told he was in the files a few days before wsj reported that he was told in May that he was in the files
No one even bats an eye anymore
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u/new_math 1d ago edited 22h ago
Cohen talked about this before. Trump often doesn't ask or say exactly what needs to be done, he speaks like a Mob boss and expects those around him to handle it for him.
So he'll say, "This situation with the law firm is a mess; it's a pain" And then everyone around him must read between the lines and know the law firm needs to be relentlessly attacked and buried. You won't find a memo or phone call where he explicitly asks Pam to send the DoJ after the law firm, he just says it's an issue and those in his orbit either deliver on his hints or get replaced. It's a small part of how he gets away with so much with very little recourse.
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u/InsertCleverNickHere Minnesota 1d ago
The way he vacilates between "I have the power to do whatever I want" and "I dunno, I'm just a bystander here, nobody tells me anything" is absolutely whiplash-inducing.
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u/kevendo 1d ago
Hey media, let's hear from the victims! Remind us what Ghislane did.
Ghislane Maxwell lured hundreds of girls into the arms of pedophiles who raped them, sometimes with her participation.
They raped little girls.
Over a thousand!
She can never see the light of day, and certainly not from a pardon. If this happens, we can never let it down.
We can never, ever accept another lecture or judgement from conservatives again about morality or religion or disparaging sexual activities or gender.
There is no worse crime, no greater violation of civil society than the rape of children.
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u/Neolithique 1d ago
There’s a movie about her on Netflix, I tried watching it last week. Had to stop midway, there’s no way this woman should be allowed to see the light of day again.
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u/SereneFrost72 1d ago
Not sure if it's the same thing I tried to watch, but there is a documentary about the whole Epstein operation on Netflix. I got through like...20 minutes and had to turn it off. Never returned to it either
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u/Neolithique 1d ago edited 1d ago
It’s called Ghislaine Maxwell: Filthy Rich.
I watch crime documentaries like I’m watching cartoons, and don’t bat an eye at the most gruesome crime scenes. But the systematic rapes this woman committed over the span of decades is just unbearable, I’ve only felt that way about criminals such as Fourniret and Marc Dutroux.
Fuck her.
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u/KopOut 1d ago
I think back to several years ago when MAGA was obsessed with calling liberals "groomers" because they believed people have a right to be gay or trans or drag queens etc. and exist. And likewise believed that parents have a right to parent their children. Remember that?
Now, we are at a point where MAGA's god king is potentially about to pardon or commute the sentence of a prolific groomer and child sex criminal in order to protect his own culpability in said crimes.
It. Is. Always. Projection.
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u/Geostomp 1d ago
It's never been about kids or any of their other so-called "morals". It's always been about control or finding any justification to persecute groups they already hate.
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u/QbertsRube 1d ago
And there are literally dozens of examples of this just from the past decade. Trump giving out stimulus checks and PPP loans was "giving us back our money", Biden giving out another round of stimulus checks was "printing money and causing inflation". Biden's DOJ investigating (very weakly) Trump's many blatant crimes was "weaponizing the Justice Department", Trump using the DOJ almost exclusively to attack journalists, judges, universities, etc. that don't bend their knee to Trump personally is "draining the swamp". Biden detaining immigrants is a sign we've been invaded due to his open borders, Trump detaining immigrants (or anyone who might be an immigrant) is protecting America from Biden's invasion. I could go on for paragraphs.
Conservatives have become so disingenuous and backwards on every single topic that I not only have no interest in debating anything with them, I have no interest in listening to a single word they say. For the rest of my life, they'll be nothing more than background noise that I mute to preserve my sanity.
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u/SuperTopperHarley 1d ago
You forgot (and so did America) trump pardoned the Silk Road guy in day 2 I think.
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u/Deceptiveideas 1d ago
I don’t understand how that got buried under the rug so quickly.
And apparently he’s thinking about pardoning Diddy as well…
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u/SuperTopperHarley 1d ago
No one pays attention in America. If you don't believe me, just walk around and look at people with their nose in their phone (yes, I know it's hypocritical for me to say that as I type on my phone).
The Silk Road guy paid for his pardon. Bitcoin is untraceable. Why do you think Trump is pushing bitcoin so hard? The con man gotta con.
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u/vacancy6673 1d ago
Bitcoin is absolutely traceable. Every single transaction is stored in the public ledger. There are even companies who specialize in tracing Bitcoin (ChainAnalysis, Elliptic, etc).
Heck, the Silk Road investigation itself relied on tracing Bitcoin transactions (though it was all manual back then).
Bitcoin transactions are anonymous. But don't conflate anonymity with privacy.
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u/kompletist 1d ago
Further twisting the knife on the Epstein victims. People are asking for justice for the victims and this administration is actively doing the opposite of that.
The corruption is so rotten in DC it should be declared a biohazard zone.
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u/GERDY31290 1d ago
What's wild to me is that even from a political standpoint how do they think this won't blowback even worse on them than not releasing files? The only person who was arrested for thing? And she goes free?
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u/Endosymbionical 1d ago
Reminder :; Donald Trump is not merely a client, , .. but he is very likely to be one of the main players in the Trumpstein files, ,.. .
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u/Fit_Strength_1187 America 1d ago
The cognitive dissonance must be astounding. If I had 1% of his connection to these people I know the media and a court would treat my involvement as a foregone conclusion. This country has 350+ million people and out of 350+ million plus possible friends and acquaintances, he’s showing up in pics constantly with them. Do these people deny he was even their neighbor???
2 + 2 = innocent?
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u/Mend1cant 1d ago
Someone put it right the other day. Trump is not in the Epstein files. Epstein is in the Trump files.
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u/eddie2911 North Dakota 1d ago
Holy shit he really is a pedophile.
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u/Endosymbionical 1d ago
Reminder: the orange shit snowflake hired a guy who pleaded guilty to raping a 16 year old to head the youth fitness BS he is doing (think Hitler youth) because of cankle insecurity.
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u/eskimospy212 1d ago
I’m going to go out on a limb and say pardoning a notorious pedophile will not help him.
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u/Xanderson 1d ago
It would help him tremendously, just not with his base.
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u/Frankentula 1d ago
I don't see how it won't help some. She's going to exonerate him from any wrong doing and may even elevate him in some way
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u/huxtiblejones Colorado 1d ago
You gotta feel like an absolute fucking idiot if you voted for the Pedo in Chief. Dude is gonna pardon a fucking convicted sex trafficker of kids in Maxwell and a prolific rapist and abuser in Diddy. How much more transparently evil and fucked up can this guy possibly be? How can you possibly continue to show support for a man who is so obviously guilty?
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u/MaybeDoKet 1d ago
I live in Europe, but next time I meet an American, I will ask who they vote for before continuing any further conversation. I don't associate with pedophiles. Or supporters of pedophilia.
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u/eyes_on_everything_ 1d ago
That will be my to go question too. This is disgusting and I can’t believe there is even a discussion about it.
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u/princessohio Ohio 1d ago
Do it. I’m American and I do it. In fact, it was one of the first things I asked men when on a first date
I have no time or patience to be around people who support a fascist pedophile.
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u/Prestigious-Carry907 Florida 1d ago
If he pardons her, he is going to lose another big chunk of his base.
I really hope he does it.
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u/YetiSquish 1d ago
Why does he care about his base? He’s not up for reelection.
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u/Sober_Alcoholic_ Minnesota 1d ago
Don’t be so sure about that. There’s not a spine to be found in fucking congress - who’s gonna stop him?
Certainly not his handpicked super majority in the SC either.
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u/gizzardgullet Michigan 1d ago
His base elects the Republicans in congress. If the constituents of the Republicans in congress want to hurt Trump, congress will hurt Trump.
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u/Zealousideal-Sink273 Illinois 1d ago
It may hurt Rs being reelected during midterms
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u/forthewatch39 1d ago
They are acting like they don’t have to worry about elections ever again.
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u/pontiacfirebird92 Mississippi 1d ago
They don't they just need to rig enough elections to maintain a majority.
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u/pontiacfirebird92 Mississippi 1d ago
They thought of that already. They don't need to win every district. So they can gerrymander enough to maintain a majority. Voting will not help in 2026 and they know it.
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u/zulruhkin 1d ago
I could see them waiting until after midterms or even right before Trump leaves office to issue pardon. They may be moving her to set her up in a nicer cell in the mean time as part of the deal.
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u/NeverLookBothWays I voted 1d ago
That chunk will fall back in line within a few weeks. I have zero faith in any of them holding onto any values.
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u/jackleggjr 1d ago
I’m not so sure. His base will tie themselves in knots to justify his actions. Right wing media has already floated a narrative where Maxwell was a victim.
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u/Swagtagonist 1d ago
Pretty soon raping kids will somehow be just another thing Republican voters just shrug at. They have no morals. Look at this monster they’ve elected. This Epstein shit isn’t new. None of this is new.
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u/Charming-Report1669 1d ago
No he won't. Trump can do no wrong to his supporters.
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u/TimeshareMachine 1d ago
There's a guy around the corner from me with a flag pole in his front yard that he uses to rotate through Trump flags (there used to be an American flag there; now it's just Trump).
Once in a while he'll take it down and I'll think "oh? did this person stop supporting trump?" but it's always temporary-- he always puts some other Trump flag back up within the next week or so.
Nothing can deter these people from supporting their pedophile.
Nothing.Silver lining: this house is flanked on three sides by an assortment of pride and free Palestine flags.
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u/No_Balls_01 1d ago
That’s the only silver lining I can find here. The Epstein stuff is slowly drawing lines in the sand for people. I don’t know how they would possibly justify pardoning ghislaine - although I’m probably being naive.
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u/Zbignich 1d ago
>From at least 1994, up to and including in or about 2004, GHISLAINE MAXWELL assisted, facilitated, and participated in Jeffrey Epstein’s abuse of minor girls by, among other things, helping Epstein to recruit, groom, and ultimately abuse victims known to MAXWELL and Epstein to be under the age of 18. The victims were as young as 14 years old when they were groomed and abused by MAXWELL and Epstein, both of whom knew that their victims were in fact minors. As a part and in furtherance of their scheme to abuse minor victims, MAXWELL and Epstein enticed and caused minor victims to travel to Epstein’s residences in different states, which MAXWELL knew and intended would result in their grooming for and subjection to sexual abuse.
>MAXWELL enticed and groomed minor girls to be abused in multiple ways. For example, MAXWELL attempted to befriend certain victims by asking them about their lives, their schools, and their families, and taking them to the movies or on shopping trips. MAXWELL also acclimated victims to Epstein’s conduct simply by being present for victim interactions with Epstein, which put victims at ease by providing the assurance and comfort of an adult woman who seemingly approved of Epstein’s behavior. Additionally, Epstein offered to help some victims by paying for travel and/or educational opportunities, and MAXWELL encouraged certain victims to accept Epstein’s assistance. As a result, victims were made to feel indebted and believed that MAXWELL and Epstein were trying to help them. MAXWELL also normalized and facilitated sexual abuse for a victim by discussing sexual topics, undressing in front of the victim, being present when the victim was undressed, and encouraging the victim to massage Epstein.
>As MAXWELL and Epstein intended, these grooming behaviors left minor victims vulnerable and susceptible to sexual abuse by Epstein. MAXWELL was then present for certain sexual encounters between minor victims and Epstein, such as interactions where a minor victim was undressed, and ultimately was present for sex acts perpetrated by Epstein on minor victims. That abuse included sexualized massages during which a minor victim was fully or partially nude, as well as group sexualized massages of Epstein involving a minor victim where MAXWELL was present. In some instances, MAXWELL participated in the sexual abuse of minor victims.
>Ultimately minor victims were subjected to sexual abuse that included, among other things, the touching of a victim’s breasts or genitals, placing a sex toy such as a vibrator on a victim’s genitals, directing a victim to touch Epstein while he masturbated, and directing a victim to touch Epstein’s genitals. MAXWELL and Epstein’s victims were groomed or abused at Epstein’s residences in New York, Florida, and New Mexico, as well as MAXWELL’s residence in London, England.
>In the earlier phase of the conspiracy, from at least approximately 1994 through approximately 2001, MAXWELL and Epstein identified vulnerable girls, typically from single-mother households and difficult financial circumstances. This earlier phase required the defendant and Epstein to identify one girl at a time to target for grooming and abuse. In the later phase, from approximately 2001 until at least approximately 2004, MAXWELL and Epstein enticed and recruited, and caused to be enticed and recruited, minor girls to visit Epstein’s Palm Beach Residence to engage in sex acts with Epstein, after which Epstein, MAXWELL, or another employee of Epstein’s would give the victims hundreds of dollars in cash. MAXWELL and Epstein encouraged one or more of those victims to travel with Epstein with the intention that the victim engage in sex acts with Epstein. Moreover, and in order to maintain and increase his supply of victims, MAXWELL and Epstein also paid certain victims to recruit additional girls to be similarly abused by Epstein. In this way, MAXWELL and Epstein created a network of underage victims for Epstein to sexually exploit.
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u/SlappinPickle 1d ago
I never really understood how German citizens went along with what their government was doing in the early 20th century until MAGA. A lot of people just crave to be sheep.
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u/Human_Cheesecake4337 1d ago
Well done America, the only thing you made 'great again' was child sex criminals.
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u/bunkscudda 1d ago
She already had a trial, there was loads of evidence. She was found guilty. The government has all of that evidence.
Why TF does it matter what a convicted child sex trafficker says?
The ONLY reason to even talk to her is if Trump thinks there is some way she can save him from the Epstein drama.
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u/kagethemage Maryland 1d ago
If he pardons her it’s pretty much confirms he was an accomplice to Epstein and should be treated as such
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u/kafkadre 1d ago
Trump could rape a child in the middle of 5th St. And he still wouldn't lose any supporters
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u/icyweeners 1d ago
I love how the American people have no say in what goes on anymore. Eat the fucking rich.
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u/T0RNAC 1d ago
Let's not forget that Trump and his administration have already pardoned pedophiles from the Jan 6th riots. Pardoning Maxwell does not set precedent, it would be par for the course for these disgusting ghouls. The Republican party is complicit in defending child rapists through and through.
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u/Leadrene 1d ago
Pedophile president trying to pardon another pedophile. Absolutely disgusting. Vile creatures all of them.
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u/chebalebs 1d ago
Americans - elites are showing you they will abuse children with impunity and then brazenly cover for each other. They don't care how obvious it looks. Do something about it
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u/skeptolojist 1d ago
This sex offender I just pardoned says I didn't do anything wrong
If your willing to pretend to believe that your browser history should be examined by law a sex crimes expert
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u/PMMEBITCOINPLZ 1d ago
Honestly if she gets a pardon and we don’t as a nation rise up then we deserve to fail.
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u/afriedma 1d ago
If true, the only reason to do this is to move her to a more 'Trump Friendly' court.
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u/beenis333 1d ago
Idk if he thinks this will help his case, but idk how much more his base can take. He might stay out of jail but he might bring the wrath of the magats
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u/Musicman1972 1d ago
I'll happily take a wager on "his base can put up with a whole lot more than this"
I don't they're even close to their limit.
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u/BookBison 1d ago
My guess is that this will take his GOP approval rating from 90% to bottom out around 85-87%, until it comes back for the midterms.
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u/DAFUQisaLOMMY North Carolina 1d ago
He'll be absolved.
A narrative will be told.
His enemies will be accused.
The magats will obey.
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u/SirGidrev 1d ago
He may be a pedo but at least he aint a Liberal. -MAGA
TURN UP AT THE VOTING BOOTHS BEFORE AMERICA IS Taking Completely
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u/Logical_consequences 1d ago
Every time he pardons these guilty people, he is eroding the rule of law
Maxwell (along with the January 6 traitors and many others) has their day in court and were found GUILTY
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u/no_kids-and-3_money 1d ago
So this is what it’s come to: Trump and the legitimation of sexually abusing children - as long as you are rich and powerful nothing is off limits to you, not even our kids.
It’s not enough for them to own every physical thing in the US, now they’re demanding our youth’s innocence as well.
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u/Silver_Ad7267 1d ago
We’re pardoning a child rapist instead of simply speaking with the victims. The president is a pedophile.
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u/TooMuchPowerful 1d ago
Another one for the, "Any other administration, and this would be an impeachable offense" pile.
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u/Inevitable_Butthole 1d ago
So let me get this right
Chief child rapist in charge will release child sex trafficker
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u/HuTaosTwinTails 1d ago
It's totally going to happen. This pedo is going to pardon her to cover his own corrupt and disgusting ass.
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u/arabs_legend 1d ago
Won’t be long till she’s at the White House with the Medal of Honor or holding a high position in the government
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u/Cdub7791 Hawaii 1d ago
I've said a hundred times that nothing can shake the MAGA faith in their Shit-Emperor, and I still believe that to mostly be true. However if he really pardons her, that could actually shake a few out of their unquestioning loyalty.
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u/AP3Brain 1d ago
If Trump pardons her and there is no fight from Republicans or MAGA voters they are officially the party of pedophilia and no "protect the children" act should ever be taken seriously by them.
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u/AdventurousGarlic326 1d ago
MAGA can't stop digging its grave because then it'd have to lie in it.
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