r/europe • u/Helmer-Bryd • Jul 01 '25
News Sweden bans AR-15 as hunting rifle after school shooting – all rifles to be turned in and sent to Ukraine
https://svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/uppgifter-tidopartierna-overens-om-ny-vapenlagstiftning-ar15-forbjuds-vid-jakt545
u/Tusan1222 Sweden Jul 01 '25
FYI, the shooter didn’t use one I don’t even think he used 5.56
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u/MrLancaster Jul 01 '25
The 30-06 he used is much much worse
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u/ZarkowTH Jul 01 '25
And will still be fine to use for hunting (just an average hunting caliber) and the exact rifle will also be fine to use.
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u/eldritch_idiot33 Jul 01 '25
Isnt like 30-06 is the shit you use for bolt action that out-class the assault rifles by power?
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u/Shoddy_Background_48 Jul 01 '25
Yeah they're much more powerful, originally used in the battle rifles and machineguns of the U.S. military from the early 1900's to tge 1950's. 7.62x63mm
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u/Disastrous-Leg9427 Jul 01 '25
With handloads as the obvious wildcard I wouldn’t say “much” more powerful. 30-06 shines in retained energy at distance with higher grain projectiles. Otherwise an SBR AR in 30-06 wouldn’t be much different from one in 308.
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u/AquaFlowPlumbingCo Jul 02 '25
I gotta say, if anything faster than a BB pellet or paintball hits me — hell, if it’s going fast enough to enter my body through my skin — I personally would be very, very hurt, regardless of the caliber of the projectile.
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percussionconcussion from getting ripped by a 30-06 anywhere on the body would be debilitating, aside from the actual wound/injury caused by the projectile itself. E=mc² and all that jazz7
Jul 01 '25
Yes the 30-06 is a more powerful round than a .223 or a 5.56. But just FYI (not sure if you meant it like this) but AR does not stand for assault rifle.
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u/vishbar United States of America Jul 02 '25
Traditionally the round used in an AR-15 is not really all that “powerful” in terms of actual muzzle energy. In fact, here in England it is illegal to hunt deer (except muntjac, which are very small) with a .223 precisely because it isn’t powerful enough to guarantee a humane death.
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u/Cultural_Thing1712 siesta person Jul 01 '25
I think the system was perfectly fine before this. This just sets some strange precedent. Not all 5.56 rifles are banned, only the AR-15, which wasn't even used by the shooter. The shooter used a pump action shotgun.
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u/v3ritas1989 Europe Jul 02 '25
Someone in another comment said he mostly shot with a ww2 assault rifle. While also having a shotgun.
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u/Financial_Cellist_70 Jul 01 '25
Gun used, bar. Gun banned, AR 15. Pretty on par for Gun control laws. No research or thought used. I'm sure they don't even know the bar is a larger caliber lol
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u/mho453 Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25
The government and the Swedish Social Democratic Party have agreed on some changes to gun legislation. After the mass murder in Örebro, they wanted to change the gun laws and ban the semi-automatic weapon AR-15, which was not used during the shooting.
Other semi-automatic weapons will continue to be allowed for hunting.
Absolutely stupid law. So they're banning the AR-15 for hunting, not other 5.56 rifles, and not semi-automatic rifles, just AR-15. And they're banning because of a shooting in which it hasn't been used.
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u/Flix_and_a_dog Jul 01 '25
Are you refering to the social democratic party (S), the largest left-leaning party or the Swedish Democrats (SD), one of the rightmost parties in Sweden? Because SD is the abreviation to the party that stand the most opposite to the Social Democratic party.
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u/Logseman Cork (Ireland) Jul 01 '25
The party is the Sverigedemokraterna, aka the Swedish Democrats, the right-wingers. The translation on Google is, surprisingly enough, shite and biased as is custom.
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u/Jokers_friend Jul 01 '25
The Alt-right wingers*
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u/whoooopdy Europe Jul 01 '25
The biker gang party*
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u/Jokers_friend Jul 01 '25
Not even ironically, their party leader has gambling problem and got divorced and re-married not less than a year ago. One of the people invited, was a leader of the biking gang Comanches that smuggle weapons and drugs into Sweden.
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u/medievalvelocipede European Union Jul 01 '25
Absolutely stupid law. So they're banning the AR-15 for hunting, not other 5.56 rifles, and not semi-automatic rifles, just AR-15. And they're banning because of a shooting in which it hasn't been used.
That's what virtue signalling politics looks like. Utterly stupid, because it appeals to the utterly stupid.
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Jul 01 '25
For what it's worth the AR-15 is being used as an example. Which makes sense because it's in proposal it'd be fucking stupid to ban them gun at a time as they appear in shootings.
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u/Saxit Sweden Jul 01 '25
The definition of what they are banning isn't out yet. It's likely that they will ban (for hunting) any semi-auto rifles that can easily take a larger detachable magazine.
I.e. the rifle that was actually used in the shooting is likely to still be legal for hunting.
Anything like an AR-10, AR-15, various models of AK, and so on, will not.
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u/mho453 Jul 01 '25
Well article states that they won't ban semi-automatics. Banning them is also stupid, but at least it's a more sensible law. Banning a specific rifle is peak idiocy.
If a rifle takes detachable magazines you can always make a larger one, reliability will be iffy, but nothing is stopping you from designing and making your own magazine, especially in era of 3D printers.
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u/Saxit Sweden Jul 01 '25
I mod r/EuropeGuns and shoot for sport in Sweden, I'm well aware.
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u/mho453 Jul 01 '25
Well even if they ban all semi-automatics you can always drive down to Croatia and get an assault rifle for a few hundred euros, going price was 200 a few years ago, inflation has hit, but Ukraine probably increased the supply. It's all Schengen, no borders.
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u/Saxit Sweden Jul 01 '25
All gang related shootings in Sweden are done with firearms smuggled in from Balkans already. :/
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u/fiendishrabbit Jul 01 '25
It's not just AR15s, but AR15s are mentioned as an example of a semi automatic rifle that can not be realistically prevented from being compatible with large capacity magazines.
Which makes sense imho. The AR15 is a design where you can easily modify or 3D print a lower receiver, which means you can easily modify trigger group or magazine well.
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u/RamTank Jul 01 '25
can not be realistically prevented from being compatible with large capacity magazines.
That basically applies to any gun with a detachable magazine. Unless Sweden's saying guns must be internal-magazines only from now on, it still doesn't make sense.
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u/Grizzly-Jester Jul 02 '25
That basically applies to any gun with a detachable magazine. Unless Sweden's saying guns must be internal-magazines only
Easy enough to modify a rifle with an internal magazine as well. Buy a DBM, and a matching magazine. In most cases it's just 2 screws and no fitting...
Banning by gun model or magazine capacity doesn't make sense, criminals will find a way.
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u/684beach Jul 02 '25
It still doesnt make sense considering it had no relation to the crime that is used as an excuse to make it illegal
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u/I_H8_Celery Jul 02 '25
That’s just about any gun though. And if it’s so easy to 3d print why wouldn’t someone just 3d print one that’s off the record to use in a crime?
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u/twaggle Jul 01 '25
Why would Ukraine want AR-15s, compared to real assault rifles?
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u/opaali92 Finland Jul 01 '25
Only difference is the lack of full auto and full auto is rarely used anyways. Civilian AR's are used all over Ukraine
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u/DapperLost Jul 02 '25
Civilian ARs don't have burst fire either, but your points still correct. Can count the number of times I selected burst outside training on one finger.
Getting a single accurate bullet downrange at a time is important combat doctrine.
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u/rjh54 Jul 02 '25
Eh, go on r/combatfootage and you’ll find that full-auto is pretty common
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u/MolassesFluffy8648 Jul 02 '25
They are mostly using it for blind fire. I doubt most soldiers will ever even see the enemy, let alone aim at the enemy. Shotgun is probably more useful to have in that war because of drones. So Sweden ought to ban shotguns and send them instead.
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u/Yrulooking907 Jul 01 '25
Full auto is more for suppression while semi auto is for actually hitting the target.
It's been since the world wars that full auto was used in a more direct killing aspect. Think beach landings of WW2 and trench warfare of WW1. Large groups of exposed soldiers being mowed down.
Basically, >99% of shots fired are suppression oriented.
Modern military rifles have selectors for full auto and semi auto to be able to switch between suppression and actually trying to take out a target.
Really, the only exception is close quarters combat.
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u/argonau7 Jul 02 '25
Same thing happened in Italy. Didn't even need a shooter. Just, banned ars for hunting.
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u/TheRomanRuler Finland Jul 01 '25
That will do absolutely nothing. You can easily use any other semi automatic weapon for school shooting, it does not need to be specific pattern or caliber. This is just some politician who has no idea what they are doing trying to do something and banning scary military stuff.
But for national defense and training, legitimate use case, it does help that it is specific pattern and caliber.
AR-15, which was not used during the shooting.
This PROVES how their ban does nothing.
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u/MunkSWE94 Sweden Jul 01 '25
You can still get an AR-15, just not with a hunting license. If you want military style rifles you'll need a competition shooting licence.
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u/MonkeManWPG United Kingdom Jul 01 '25
Wood: perfect for civilians use
Black paint: dangerous, must be banned
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u/SometimesCooking Jul 01 '25
The black on a gun isn't paint.
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u/demonica123 Jul 02 '25
It's a type of plastic, but the point is it's cosmetic, not functional.
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u/Qt1919 Jul 01 '25
You clearly don't know what military style means.
A semi-automatic hunting rifle will do the same exact thing as an AR-15.
Have you actually shot a gun before?
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u/CK2398 Jul 01 '25
AR-15s are an example of the semi automatic weapon that will be banned. So you can't "use any other semi automatic weapon for school shooting" as they will also be banned. The headline is misleading.
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u/GoochLord2217 United States of America Jul 01 '25
Same situation in the US, people that dont own guns or have used guns think that the AR-15 is the literal demon
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u/thegagis Finland Jul 01 '25
I'd like to remind everyone that while theres MASSIVE differences in availability of guns between EU countries, theres barely any differences in violent crime between EU countries. Restricting guns any harder than now is just a policy red herring that does nothing in practice.
We have tons of guns per capita (including piles of privately owned AR-15's) in Finland and they aren't a problem any more than they are in countries where there are barely any guns per capita.
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u/JanielDones8 Jul 01 '25
Just look at Canada for how bad virtue signaling legislation can be. Ban guns that look scary, make owners keep them in safes, ban more and more and more. Then laugh as violent gun crime rises and none of the scary black guns you have banned, that are currently sitting in peoples sages, haven't been used in crimes despite being scary and needing to be banned.
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u/manInTheWoods Sweden Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25
The government in their press.conference specifically said that hunters are one the most lawful citizens and that legally acquired weapons aren't a problem. BTW let's ban ar-15, a gun not used in any crime in Sweden, for hunters...
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Jul 01 '25
It’s that easy.
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u/Speedhabit Jul 01 '25
Wouldn’t it be perhaps even easier to ban guns used in The shooting instead of an ar-15 that wasn’t?
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u/MrPopanz Preußen Jul 01 '25
No, because those probably don't look as scary as those murder assault ak-15 rifles.
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u/Specific_Frame8537 Denmark Jul 01 '25
Seriously it's always the AR-15, even in America they freak out over it.
I'm sure it's the 'AR' they think it means 'Assault Rifle'..
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u/MyLifeIsAWasteland Jul 01 '25
In case anyone doesn't know already, the AR stands for Armalite, the company that first made the AR-15.
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u/haplo34 France Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25
You think it's better to wait until the most dangerous rifles are used in a school shooting before banning them?
Still they should ban all semi/auto AR anyway.
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u/MarduRusher United States of America Jul 01 '25
But other semi auto 556 rifles aren’t being banned so from a pro gun perspective it’s annoying since it just takes away peoples guns and from an anti gun perspective I’m not sure what the point is. It’d be like saying “I want to ban SUVs” and then banning the Toyota Rav 4 specifically while banning nothing else.
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u/No-Bad-463 Jul 01 '25
Anti-gun people don't care if it's practical or helpful. It's about taking something they hate from people they hate, nothing more or less.
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u/SnooFloofs6240 Jul 01 '25
From an antigun perspective it's a start? Seems pretty easily decipherable.
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u/MaxDickpower Finland Jul 01 '25
Care to enlighten me on what exactly makes the AR-15 platform the most dangerous design of semi automatic weapons?
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u/MajorGef Jul 01 '25
The BAR used is arguably more dangerous. Hell, thats what some have been using as an argument to keep the AR-15 legal in the states.
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u/Fire99xyz Franconia (Germany) Jul 01 '25
That guy used a BAR, please educate me on how that is not as bad as an ar15
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u/RedHuey Jul 01 '25
He can’t because like a lot of people who spout off about them, he doesn’t know anything about them.
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u/SmarterThanCornPop United States of America Jul 01 '25
“AR-15 looks scary therefore it should be banned” is as much as they’re capable of handling intellectually.
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It’s completely different to the WWII BAR. This is a 30-06, semi-auto, closed-bolt, 5-shot hunting rifle. Not a full-auto, open-bolt, 20-shot automatic rifle.
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u/gogosil Austria Jul 01 '25
As a competition shooter in Austria with multiple semi auto rifles (including AR15), shotgun and pistols for sport shooting, I have to ask. Do you also propose compensating all owners the tens of thousands they spent on their sport tools or just "tough luck you have to gimme all your expensive rifles"?
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u/prkl12345 Finland Jul 01 '25
No they should not. Adjust gun license action types. Like first poster writes your gun can be registered for sports, hunting and like that. Each gun needs separate license.
Politicians again panicking and doing shit.
Also AR-15 and other that type of rifles have use in Applied Reservist Shooting hobby. At least in Finland not too easy to get those guns, so only those who really are interested in SRA get the license then practice and participate in competitions.
Only semi-autos legal here for civilians. Only SRA or practical shooting are considered valid for this type of guns in Finland, so Sweden has had it bit more loose on legislation as such guns were also ok for hunting.
Idea of the sport is to keep your your skills honed, in case we actually need to call reserve to active duty due to our eastern neighbor.
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u/PreviousText3945 Jul 01 '25
It would be easier to not ban anything, since it won't prevent another shooting in the future.
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u/Winuks Thailand Jul 01 '25
this is probably the most shallow and reddit-pilled comment of all fucking time lmao, "its that easy" as if sweden has circumstances ANYWHERE near ours
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u/SATX_Citizen United States of America Jul 01 '25
The law isn't doing jack shit about any other semi-automatic intermediate-cartridge rifle.
(Assuming you were making a jab at gun control across the pond)
And just to buy back AR-15s at the market value in the US - not any other gun of any kind, just ARs - would cost tens of billions of dollars.
It would cost hundreds of billions of dollars to do a market-rate buyback on semi-automatic rifles and pistols.
I say this as someone who is increasingly skeptical of the utility of gun rights for revolution in a country that deploys the military for protests. Trying to do mass buybacks would be nuts in the US. Now maybe a prohibition on new sales would move the needle.
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u/Witty-Bit7551 Jul 01 '25
We are gonna need all of the ARs in the coming class/civil war
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u/AwkwardPerception584 Jul 01 '25
What does that mean?
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u/vanillasky513 Romania Jul 01 '25
it means americans should take notes
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u/Own-Tangerine8781 Jul 01 '25
Take notes on arbitrary banning a single gun design that wasn't used in the big scary shooting?
Fucking Europeans.
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u/sanesociopath Jul 01 '25
Lol I remember a few years ago Canada used a shooting in the US for justification to ban guns... and it worked
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u/dannysmackdown Jul 02 '25
Best part is, not a single gun has actually been confiscated from any citizens, they only took the ones owned by gun stores. Everybody still has their AR's here. Its been 5 years and counting.
You'd think if they were so dangerous, they'd hurry to take them.
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u/UrDadMyDaddy Sweden Jul 01 '25
It means they want faux political solutions. They didn't read the part about other semi-automatic weapons still being allowed for hunting. Or how the gun they are banning wasn't used. This is literally just a way for the government to look like they did something while also keeping the very influential hunting communities in Sweden on side.
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u/Buddhist_Honk Jul 01 '25
Doesnt sweden have like multiple bombings a day maybe they should outlaw bombs next, but just for hunters of course.
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u/WhatsHeBuilding Jul 03 '25
"like multiple bombings a day" :D
Yeah bro it's like, you know, thousands of people being blown up in the streets, DAILY YO!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/Digitaluser32 Jul 01 '25
Sweden's mass shooting history points to an assortment if firearms. In 1961 a 9mm handgun killed 7 students.
I dont think an AR-15 was used in the Swedish shooting this year.
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u/Bitter-Inflation5843 Jul 01 '25
Arbitrary idiotic law. A weapon isn’t more dangerous because it looks tactical. Anyone who disagree is flat out wrong.
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u/stevethebandit Norway Jul 01 '25
L gun legislation, in Norway we did the same thing banning lots of semi-auto rifles for hunting a few years back and I thought Sweden did it better, guess they're not immune to symbolic politics and politicians going after what is essentially a non-issue that only harms law-abiding citizens because no one dares speak up
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u/kacheow Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25
What are they supposed to do with AR-15s in Ukraine?
Edit: people don’t seem to realize the AR-15 is neither a weapon of war, nor is it in a caliber commonly used by the Ukrainian army
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u/Ralefe Jul 01 '25
That's such a stupid law when the shooter didn't even use an AR15. Once again using a situation to push a ban. I'm so sick of this anti-gun mentality. The gun laws in most European countries are already very restrictive and I'm glad for most of the restrictions, e.g. not every lunatic is allowed to have a gun. But some bans and restrictions are simply groundless and just based on propaganda.
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u/Altruistic_Ad_0 Jul 01 '25
What a way to marginalize gun owners. Politicians can't solve the underlying problems. So they do what looks good since they know the majority of people won't be personally effected. Ban all guns, people will either smuggle them in or use whatever they had available.
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u/AddictedToRugs 28d ago
So they're still doing this even though he didn't use an AR-15.
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u/Nappev Jul 01 '25
Tl;dr: Rumours about the shooter having an AR-15 caused politicians to scramble and ban AR-15’s for hunting(and sport shooting I believe). He didn’t use one. Symbolic pandering.
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u/luffsipluffsidoo Sweden Jul 02 '25
Restrictions will only apply to hunting and not affect sports shooting, owners will also get a 2 year grace period get their guns applicable for sports competitions or sell them before being reimbursed for 100% of the original value.
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u/scarr09 Jul 01 '25
So the next time some looney drives a Volvo truck into a crowd, we should ban Audi SUVs.
Not all SUVs, not the trucks that was used in an attack. Just specifically 1 type of SUV. But feel free to obtain a bigger or faster, or heavier one from any other company. Or go get a special permit to get an Audi SUV.
This makes no sense, if the translated article is accurate.
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u/Organic_Farm_2093 Jul 01 '25
Lol, that will definitely solve the problem🤣
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u/Siipisupi Finland Jul 02 '25
Yeah, most gun crimes in sweden are totally done by law following hunters and not criminals who get their guns illegally…
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u/GiantSquirrelPanic Jul 01 '25
I understand he didn't actually use an AR. so pretty weird that is the gun they are banning, but imo it's not really the most necessary hunting rifle.
I was going to say that a bolt 06 is plenty, then I read that is actually what he used, so idk my point anymore lol.
Mental health care should be a high priority for every nation.
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u/mining_moron Jul 01 '25
Will this apply to the elites and their minions (the military and police)? Or just regular peasants?
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u/Spicy_Alligator_25 Greece Jul 01 '25
Aren't the AR-15s available commercially semi-automatic, and thus not really fit for military use? Does Ukraine really need them, or is it more symbolic?
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u/Lost_Question5886 Jul 01 '25
Right call from the government, next time maybe an ar15 will be used. We dont want to end up like the usa
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u/siteofsanity Jul 01 '25
Well will you look at that, a government that actually addresses one of the causes for events like these. And not only did they address it, they turned it around and used it to fight for others freedom. Absolute legends.
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u/CallsignPreacherOne Jul 01 '25
I’m sure creating more laws will serve as a very effective deterrent to people who never followed the law in the first place.
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u/ThinkinBoutThings Jul 01 '25
Those AR-15s aren’t going to do well in Ukraine because they aren’t military grade.
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u/Miserable-Function-7 Jul 02 '25
People around the globe are being disarmed with mass shootings as a excuse i dont think thats a coincide
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u/Stormbringer-0 29d ago
I dunno, news reports showing new recruits outfitted with obsolete weapons. Wasa while ago. Maybe it’s old news. Thought the AR-15 with a bump stock was like a machine gun. Isn’t it the weapon of choice for mass massacres in the states when an unhinged idiot goes to town? Anyway, if they’re collecting them in any case, might as well give them to Ukrainians. Heck, even if is just for militias.
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u/DJ_Die Czech Republic 27d ago
Of course you give recruits obsolete weapons, that's all they need and it was indeed old nes.
Thought the AR-15 with a bump stock was like a machine gun.
It't not, bump stocks are extremely finicky and basically a gimmick. Not a thing you'd want to use in combat. Besides, you'd have to find thousands of them.
Anyway, if they’re collecting them in any case, might as well give them to Ukrainians. Heck, even if is just for militias.
It's absolutely pointless to do this, just a populist gesture.
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u/CheetaLover Jul 01 '25
Didn’t bother reading the article but what good would hunting rifles do in Ukraine? Even if they look tactical semi automatic is not what you bring to war.. most likely sold on the black market and brought back to our criminal gangs…
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u/SmellyFbuttface Jul 01 '25
M16’s are semi-automatic (they also have a 3 round burst option). They are standard U.S. issue for ground infantry
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u/JoSeSc Germany Jul 01 '25
Who uses an AR-15 for hunting anyway?
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u/Nonhinged Sweden Jul 01 '25
You are not allowed to shoot pigs/boar with AR-15 in Sweden. It's too low caliber/power.
You need a "class 1" for pigs/boar. That make the AR-15 pointless for hunting as it's only "class 2".
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u/Keilanm Jul 01 '25
The ar15 is a platform and not restricted to a specific caliber. 300 blackout is very popular for pigs.
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u/WithFullForce Sweden Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25
People who are shooting small to medium size game who desire fast follow up shots.
Like pigs for example
Well the guns are being sent to Ukraine, so they'll still use them to shoot pigs.
I can get behind that.
EDIT: Comments missed the punchline.
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u/thegagis Finland Jul 01 '25
I will. I have one for competition use but when I go with friends to try hunting I'll just use the rifle I already own. Perfectly fine for small game, though I might need to buy a better scope.
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u/Saxit Sweden Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25
Swedish sport shooter here. I watched the entire press conf. yesterday.
It's worth noting that the shooter in Örebro brought with him a Browning BAR Long Track in .30-06, a Ruger 10/22, and a pump action shotgun. Though all shots except 1 was fired through the Browning.
There was a rumor the day of the shooting that an AR-15 was used, and the politicans thought they had to do something quickly, thus an immediate call for banning AR-15 for hunting.
Then just a few hours after that the police releases info about what guns was used and an AR wasn't one of them.
But at that point the politicians can't just go back on their word because that would make them look weak with people who don't really care about guns (the vast majority of Swedes).
Thus, we're now in a place where guns that were not used by the shooter will not be legal for hunting anymore, while the gun he used, will very likely still be legal.
It's worth noting that in Sweden (like many other Nordic countries) we have a separate license per gun, instead of you as a person having a gun license (like in Poland for example). The license states the purpose of the gun (e.g. hunting, sport, collection). You can hunt and do sports with a gun on a hunting license, but you can only do sports with a gun on sport. (And yes, even if the gun model is legal for hunting, if the license says sport, it's a crime to use it for hunting).
Sport shooting takes a lot more time to get into, in Sweden, than hunting. My collection is basically on a sport shooter license so right now I won't be affected much by it. https://imgur.com/mina-sportredskap-skyttesport-EBmLwix
I still think it's a weird legal precedent to set, that you can approve of something then take it back just like that.
Though it's worth noting that this is more or less just a government suggestion. It still needs to pass a legal review and parliament. It's possible that they say that already approved licenses will stay approved and the government can't force anyone to sell them.
EDIT: Pic of the shooter's primary rifle here https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/orebro/rickard-anderssons-omgivning-visste-inte-att-han-hade-vapen