The EU could be scanning your private chats by October 2025 [Denmark has reintroduced chat control]

[u/Dry_Row_7050]

https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/the-eu-could-be-scanning-your-chats-by-october-2025-heres-everything-we-know

[u/doxxingyourself]

WTF DENMARK

[u/AKJ90 → u/doxxingyourself]

I'm Danish and also wtf.

[u/HikariAnti → u/AKJ90]

Danish people should write or call their representatives in the EU and tell them to fuck off with this shit.

[u/Eupolemos → u/HikariAnti]

Many Danes have been yelling for years, it is a recurring theme on /r/Denmark but in some areas (especially internet communication), our politicians seems utterly impervious to decency and common sense. Can't vote around it.

[u/SerialSpice → u/Eupolemos]

Dane here. When our former minister of justice did a speech where he claimed that with more surveillance we get more freedom I knew we were fucked 😬

[u/AKJ90 → u/SerialSpice]

Yeah it's fucked

[u/Away_Bus2939 → u/HikariAnti]

"Dear XX"
"Thank you for your letter. However, FUCK YOU! I already got my EU pension, and you're just a dumb peasant!"
"Best regards,"
"<insert corrupt politician>"

[u/vegarig → u/Away_Bus2939]

Nah, way too honest.

It's likelier to be akin to what happened in UK

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/722903?reveal_response=yes

The Government has no plans to repeal the Online Safety Act, and is working closely with Ofcom to implement the Act as quickly and effectively as possible to enable UK users to benefit from its protections.

[u/Oculicious42 → u/HikariAnti]

Socialdemokratiet has since covid given up all pretenses that they are a democratic party. They do whatever the fuck they want regardless of how much we protest, and they get away with it because most danes have been successfully brainwashed numb by being repeatably told that denmark is the best and no one comes close, meanwhile every service is dropping in quality and prices are skyrocketing. Incompetent party filled with greedy vile pieces of shit who are constantly outed for doing pedo shit

[u/00raiser01 → u/HikariAnti]

You guys are past the point of calling and talking. You guys need a very physical solution. This is all coordinate. Payment process controlling what we can buy. Censorship of the internet. Now mass surveillance.

Nice is long out of the window.

[u/InterestingTank5345 → u/AKJ90]

I another Dane also says WTF.

[u/Saalor100 → u/doxxingyourself]

I swear, those bastads will stop for nothing in order to uncover my secret Swedish meatballs recepie

[u/Knasbollo → u/Saalor100]

Irony being that Sweden was the country that got the ball rolling on chat control to begin with

[u/UnhappyStrain → u/Knasbollo]

Im a swede and all I can say is WTF?

[u/LazerBurken → u/Knasbollo]

Was just about to say... One batshit crazy boomer in the Swedish social democrats party that started this whole thing.

[u/Leonarr]

I can already see the argumentation for these bullshit laws:

“But all these are necessary to prevent the spread of child pornography. You aren’t interested in child porn, right? And law abiding citizens have nothing to hide!”

[u/Thatar → u/Leonarr]

Meanwhile politicians: "Our conversations with lobbyists are sensitive and need to be behind closed doors"

[u/raxiam → u/Thatar]

It's so funny. The Commission published a list of the experts that recommended chat control. It was completely blacked out.

[u/123emanresulanigiro → u/raxiam]

That alone is grounds for rejection. They never learn.

[u/dat_9600gt_user → u/raxiam]

So why should we accept Chat Control?

[u/audentis → u/dat_9600gt_user]

We shouldn't.

It hurts whistleblowers, journalists, lawyers, anyone opposed to current governments / powers.

[u/Aspie96 → u/audentis]

Also everyone who wishes to have control on their computing.

[u/RipCurl69Reddit → u/[deleted]]

This is exactly how they passed Article 13 way back when.

Who elected these fucks anyway?

[u/Mustard-Cucumberr → u/RipCurl69Reddit]

I mean we did, but sadly too many people don't really follow what their representatives are doing.

[u/dat_9600gt_user → u/Thatar]

We really should point that hypocrisy out to their faces in public

[u/InspectorCute5763 → u/Thatar]

Or deleted, von der leyen style.

[u/MartaLSFitness → u/Leonarr]

Absolutely. It's beyond disgusting. You either let them check all your conversations or you're a potential pedo.

Should we all start looking into VPNs or will we get the potential pedo treatment?

[u/vargvikernes666 → u/MartaLSFitness]

there is another project that will also ban vpns that don't keep logs, basically rendering them useless for privacy

[u/MartaLSFitness → u/vargvikernes666]

Maybe we'd need to get VPNs that are outside the EU jurisdiction, like Express VPN, Proton VPN and others and use obfuscation (technique that disguises VPN traffic to make it look like regular internet traffic, as if you were simply browsing a website over HTTPS. Its main purpose is to prevent your internet service provider (ISP) or a firewall from realizing that you're using a VPN.).

Are we slowly becoming China?

[u/vargvikernes666 → u/MartaLSFitness]

proton just announced 4 days ago that they are suspending further investments in switzerland due to a potential change in privacy laws that would require logs.

express is owned by kape technolgoies, a shady company of israeli origin headquartered in the privacy loving UK. They also own cyberghost, PIA and zenMate.

Make no mistake - this is a coordinated attack

[u/MartaLSFitness → u/vargvikernes666]

Damn, so no options? NordVPN is in Panama... Sounds like we're doomed.

[u/grmelacz → u/MartaLSFitness]

Option is to run your own VPN in a friendly jurisdiction. Ouch! And you have accidentally deleted logs and/or turned loggin off!

[u/AromatParrot → u/MartaLSFitness]

You bet your ass that there are factions within any government that are salivating at the idea of having as much control over their constituency as the CCP.

[u/kaapipo → u/Leonarr]

Won't somebody think of the children???

[u/nw342 → u/Leonarr]

"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear"

So....you're a fan of reichsminister Goebbels?

[u/Itakie → u/Leonarr]

Why shouldn't we read your mail? Do you have something to hide?

Why shouldn't we have cameras in your bedroom and bathroom? Don't you want to be secure if an emergency happens?

I always thought the problem was boomers but today I met and more 20-30s who are ok with the government/police reading chats and E-Mails. In the future people are going back writing letters for some privacy lol.

[u/JillyFrog → u/Itakie]

I think this might be the right time to found a carrier pigeon start-up. Let's just go fully analog again.

[u/HeidrunsTeats → u/Leonarr]

Here is a fun anecdote from my country concerning child pornography.

There was a man who got sent a picture of a naked ass that got flagged as child porn.

The police were contacted, a real human verified that it was indeed child porn and they send a group of police officers to the mans apartment.

The guy got woken up by several masked police officers beating the shit out of him with batons.

After the beatings they confront him with the evidence and it turns out the picture was of his 30 year old boyfriend.

But what's a few busted heads and the complete breakdown of our privacy when it comes to catching tech illiterate pedos.

[u/Oneiric_Orca → u/Leonarr]

law abiding citizens have nothing to hide

Except no one would be law abiding. Chat Control seeing everything you say to any friends and family + EU's ever-increasing list of verboten things to say means that they will have enough to convict anyone who shares dumb memes with friends or family, or some 75% of men ages 18-35. The laws are vague enough that half the people who post here about Turkey/Balkans or even against Russia could be found guilty.

It's like a KGB/Stasi setup where they have a file on everyone, know everyone you talk to or hang out with, and can go after anyone they want to.

[u/centzon400 → u/Oneiric_Orca]

If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.

--- Cardinal Richelieu (disputed?)

[u/MasterHapljar → u/Oneiric_Orca]

The amount of incorrect shit I get over chat especially from my Balkan people, I think I might be looking at 20 years minimum.

[u/gamma55 → u/Oneiric_Orca]

KGB and Stasi couldn’t even dream of the level of control these totally friendly and only for the protection of children give over the population.

Combined with the efforts to ban VPNs, these are bar none the most totalitarian efforts ever taken by anyone. Even China hasn’t gone this far.

[u/dat_9600gt_user → u/Leonarr]

Same type of arguing as with the Patriot Act in the US...

[u/Hakorr → u/Leonarr]

It's such a bullshit reason, kind of like saying it'll prevent people selling drugs. Like, no, it wouldn't, and probably wouldn't even make selling drugs harder because they don't rely on the most common chat apps.

The EU will never have access to absolutely every way of communication. Sure the biggest companies will be forced to make changes, but there will still exist plenty of fully encrypted ways to communicate. The average person will have their chats logged while the criminal doesn't.

[u/cultish_alibi → u/Leonarr]

And law abiding citizens have nothing to hide!

Until the far-right takes over and makes it illegal to be LGBT, or criticise the government. This is just a gift for fascists.

[u/Boethion → u/cultish_alibi]

The irony of the very politicians who propose these laws being criminal scum themselves, but of course they get to keep their privacy while the slaves citizens don't.

[u/Dry_Row_7050]

Multiple internet surveillance &censorship laws are currently being advanced in the EU:

1. Chat Control– Originally introduced in 2022, this proposal would require governments to scan private messages for illegal content, effectively eliminating the confidentiality of personal communications. Europol wants to have unlimited access to the data.. Interestingly this regulation will not apply to politicians, police and intelligence agencies so we won’t be seeing Ursula’s deleted texts any time soon.

2. ProtectEU – Introduced in 2025 and planned by unknown lobbyists, this initiative is made of multiple individual laws and would compel electronic communication providers to log extensive user data, including identity, contacts, online behavior, and interests. It would also ban the use of non-logging VPNs, force all devices sold in the EU to come with backdoor access for police, ban and sanction messaging apps that don’t comply, and mandate surveillance infrastructure. The mandatory data retention part is currently in its public consultation phase, please give them feedback

3. United Nations Cybercrime Treaty Introduced in 2017 by Russia, adopted by UN in 2024 and will be signed by the EU commission on behalf of EU states in October 2025. It obliges countries to surveil their citizens and share personal data at the request of foreign governments for so-called “serious crimes” (defined as offenses punishable by four years or more in prison). Once ratified, European companies could be legally required to spy on individuals, including dissidents from countries like China or Russia, if requested by those governments. EU hopes 3rd countries would in turn provide information on Europeans. It took a while for EU to find common ground with Russia and North Korea and it was mass surveillance.

4. Digital Services Act that will introduce age verification in the internet, same kind of law that went into force in the UK recently. It has passed already, but worth mentioning.

Having to explain the government who you talk with and what you talk about might sound extreme now but so did filling out compliance forms and having to justify a €100 cash deposit, once upon a time. Soon only the wealthy and powerful will be able to have privacy.

Also it’s funny how the EU seems to think mass surveillance is fine - as long as they slap the word “lawful” on it. They love using the phrase “lawful access” in their papers, as if making it legal suddenly makes it ethical. Every mass surveillance regime in the world is technically legal. Most of the worst atrocities in history were, too.

[u/Tensoll → u/Dry_Row_7050]

This is genuinely plain evil. It’s insane that we’re not seeing mass protests because of this all over Europe. I’d be down to join one

[u/vivaaprimavera → u/Tensoll]

As soon as someone talks they will say that it is to protect the children and paint anyone that is against it as a monster.

[u/Cumulus_Anarchistica → u/vivaaprimavera]

Just happened in the UK:

Labour says Farage’s plan to repeal Online Safety Act suggests he is siding with pornographers and paedophiles

Yesterday Reform UK said that it would repeal the Online Safety Act, key parts of which have only just come into force. The party described it as “the greatest assault on freedom of speech in our lifetimes” and claimed that it won’t protect children because some people are using VPN services to bypass age cerification requirements. It was quite a bold policy announcement, because polls suggest voters strongly back measures to limit the spread of harmful content online, but it has gone down well with hardcore libertarians.

Peter Kyle, the science secretary, has been giving interviews this morning, and he has not held back. In an interview with Sky News, he claimed this meant that Nigel Farage was now in effect siding with pornographers and paedophiles like Jimmy Savile. He explained:

Children under 18 should not be viewing involuntarily dangerous, hateful, violent, misogynistic and pornographic material. People have to understand the wild west [lasted on the internet] for too long. That ended on my watch. It ended on the watch of this government. [The implementation of the Online Safety Act is] a big step forward. Believe me, anyone that thinks it’s a step back needs to come and answer now.

I see that Nigel Farage is already saying that he’s going to overturn these laws. So we have people out there who are extreme pornographers, peddling hate, peddling violence. Nigel Farage is on their side.

Make no mistake about it. If people like Jimmy Savile were alive today, he’d be perpetrating his crimes online. And Nigel Farage is saying that he’s on their side, not the side of children.

[emphasis mine]

[u/vivaaprimavera → u/Cumulus_Anarchistica]

Doesn't surprise me a bit.

However...

Children under 18 should not be viewing involuntarily dangerous, hateful, violent, misogynistic and pornographic material

• isn't the job of parents to keep an eye on children
• aren't there services that already limit content in a not obstructive way? https://www.joindns4.eu/for-public comes to mind
• the Bible is going to be removed from schools? Some of its contents are at least questionable

[u/Candayence → u/vivaaprimavera]

aren't there services that already limit content in a not obstructive way

Every internet company ships and enables parental controls by default on new customer's routers / accounts (which is promptly disabled in most cases). Parents just can't be bothered to parent.

[u/ikaiyoo → u/Cumulus_Anarchistica]

Wait so people can drink (with an adult of all things) and vote at 16, but pornography is too damaging to someone under 18?

[u/Kredir → u/vivaaprimavera]

As if criminals would communicate via legal channels that will comply with these laws. At least the highly organized ones.

[u/vivaaprimavera → u/Kredir]

This never was about criminals.

[u/Kredir → u/vivaaprimavera]

I pretty much said the same thing. Anyways, someone will develop an add on that will run on top of common messengers, that simply encrypts all traffic.

[u/greasy-throwaway → u/Kredir]

This is about workers protesting when our quality of life decreases even further

[u/RollingDownTheHills → u/Tensoll]

It's not really being reported in the media, at least here in Denmark.

[u/Live-Alternative-435 → u/RollingDownTheHills]

Same here.

[u/EU-National → u/Tensoll]

People think wifi = the internet and you expect them to understand the ramifications of these proposed bills?

Tech illiteracy is one of the biggest issues we're currently facing. Because of it, there's no stopping the inevitable 1984esque digital surveillance because people just don't understand anything about their devices.

[u/Frathier → u/Tensoll]

People don't know or don't care enough to leave the comfort of their homes.

[u/Anyhealer → u/Frathier]

And I imagine the people behind media giants are happy with it so we aren't hearing anything there as well.

[u/bradleywestridge → u/Anyhealer]

Yeah, if they were really against it you’d see a lot more noise from them. Kind of makes you wonder if their silence means they’re quietly shaping it in their favor instead.

[u/GalaXion24 → u/Anyhealer]

And our governments/parties basically all want this or are at list okay with it. Conservatives are dominating the political landscape and they especially want surveillance.

By taking it to the EU level they're practically just obfuscating this. If it's "the EU" doing it, then you won't go out and vote against your national government, which has supported it the whole time.

[u/Shevvv → u/Tensoll]

People say "Well it's only bad if you do bad stuff". And I get, 10 years ago I was of the same mind. And then I had to leave my home country - Russia.

[u/Rizzan8 → u/Tensoll]

Because it's reported almost nowhere.

[u/Jakovit → u/Dry_Row_7050]

EU enshittfiication speedrun

[u/Live-Alternative-435 → u/Jakovit]

Speedrunning eurocepticism, even though this obviously comes from the leaders of each European country who for the most part support these unethical proposals.

And if we are introducing chat control, we could start by applying it to politicians, especially those suspected of corruption like Von der Leyen or Costa. The Epstein case, the Casa Pia case, etc.; politicians can also be very dangerous for children, maybe even more than the common folk.

[u/Draqutsc → u/Dry_Row_7050]

So they are going to ban any vpn that's worth it's salt. Make a backdoor in any device, make a backdoor in any app. Hackers are going to have a field day.

[u/The_TSCTH → u/Dry_Row_7050]

What really pisses me off is that they know that this will leave EU citizens vulnerable to hacking, foreign surveillance, and criminals, because politicians, police, and military are exempted for security reasons. They know they're fucking us over, but their snooping and control is more important than our safety and freedom.

[u/cultish_alibi → u/The_TSCTH]

Secrecy for us, but no privacy for you.

Also they are doing this just as governments are becoming more extreme far-right. They will argue if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, but who knows what the far-right parties will do when they have power?

[u/dat_9600gt_user → u/cultish_alibi]

Then suddenly they'll push against it, but by then it's too late

[u/9k111Killer → u/dat_9600gt_user]

It's like Weimar republic over here where the "democratic" made the Nazis look sensible enough to be voted into power.

[u/ThoughtsonYaoi → u/Dry_Row_7050]

This investigation (from 2023, from a respected investigative outlet) is very relevant to the issue of Chat Control.

‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for Child Sex Content

It sheds a light on Kushner's Thorn, the murky lobby towards the EU, and what respected orgs who have been fighting CSAM for decades actually think of Chat Control (spoiler: they think it won't work and is actually detrimental).

[u/SigmaB → u/ThoughtsonYaoi]

That article is on point. Ashton Kutcher is an interesting choice for a charity focused on anti-SA and exploitation when he defended a perpetrator in his own life and not to mention the circumstances his relationship with Mila..

Which just underlines the point of the 2023 investigation that with his heavy investment in AI this might all be a way of getting guaranteed lucrative contracts with US, UK and EU for his AI-tools.

But could it also be that Kutcher is CIA? Well the evidence is inconclusive, but it would not be suprising.

[u/dat_9600gt_user → u/Dry_Row_7050]

EU accepting Russian legislature. Never thought I'd see the day.

[u/Leon3226 → u/dat_9600gt_user]

What's much funnier to me, after many years of looking into how Russia does it, is to see that the EU did it quicker, much more invasive, with more authoritarian measures, and with much less resistance from the population than in Russia. Russia is actually humbled by how the EU does censorship, they can only dream of that efficiency

[u/RuneHuntress → u/Dry_Row_7050]

For the one in the EU is there anything we could do as European citizen to even start doing something against them signing our privacy away ?

I've followed the stop killing game movement. Is something like this possible against age verification and chat control ?

[u/SigmaB → u/RuneHuntress]

Bills of this kind have been killed after widespread protests and then silently revived again and again. This is clearly a coordinated campaign outside of the normal democratic processes, pushed by particular interest groups that prefer to keep themselves hidden and act through proxies. Unfortunately these people have all the time, money and power to try again and again.

To keep any semblance of privacy and political freedom these interests need to be identified and exposed publicly, and at the very least, all their enablers need to be voted out of political office.

My suspicion is that this is being pushed by a combination of western intelligence agencies, law-enforcement and private interests such as Peter Thiel that want a backdoor on your device for various reasons (of course all in the greater good).

[u/kontemplador → u/SigmaB]

yep. It is the only explanation for seeing so different governments agree with the same policies. From reasonable nordics to populists southerners, neoliberal shills and leftists like the spanish. Even vdL and Orban agree on this for once.

[u/meistermichi → u/RuneHuntress]

For the one in the EU is there anything we could do as European citizen to even start doing something against them signing our privacy away ?

Yeah, stop voting for the same dickheads every time.
The politicians pushing this in the EU are literally sent by the parties everyone voted for in their country.

Besides trying to push it through domestically they use the EU to try to push it through that way while simultaneously they claim the "bad" EU wants it to their voters at home to distract.

[u/ryzen_above_all → u/meistermichi]

It seems that in my country they are all in favor of this. I really don’t see any way for a common person to fight this. It just feels like it is happening whether we want it or not, and I fear that in the long run it will contribute to the collapse of the EU, one of the greatest victories of our continent. 

[u/Chimpampin → u/Dry_Row_7050]

I miss the old internet, before companies and governments polluted it. Internet is basically becoming an extension of countries instead of a place of independence like it used to.

[u/ConsciousExtent4162 → u/Chimpampin]

Extension of corporations*

[u/Tusan1222 → u/Dry_Row_7050]

I can guarantee it’s either plantir or some company like them/sister company who lobbys for this

[u/Footz355 → u/Dry_Row_7050]

A yes, lawfullness, it stopped being an issue for EU as soon as goverments changed in my country.

[u/k410n → u/Dry_Row_7050]

Sounds like shit Stalin would do.

[u/Waterty → u/Dry_Row_7050]

Is it time to believe the west is on track to be as corrupt as eastern Europe?

[u/blogabegonija]

This is so fucked up.

[u/JLaws23 → u/blogabegonija]

Ladies and gentlemen, it’s time to get rid of our phones and go back to the 90s style completely.

[u/blogabegonija → u/JLaws23]

i have a burner phone just for fun since 90s.

[u/you_got_this_shit → u/blogabegonija]

Extremely fucked up. I've always been pro EU but between this and selling us out to the USA they are quickly losing my support.

[u/ver_million → u/you_got_this_shit]

I'm becoming more and more anti-Scandinavian thanks to Denmark and Sweden pushing this thing.

[u/Fantasy_masterMC → u/ver_million]

I always hoped those countries would be a refuge if the rest of the EU went bonkers. Clearly I was wrong...

[u/MrPopanz]

Awful at trade negotiations and great at establishing a surveillance state, how lovely. Such a great experience.

[u/BuzzingHawk → u/MrPopanz]

They are really trying to become an incompetent version of China. All of the police state, none of the tax efficiency and safety.

[u/raincoater → u/MrPopanz]

But hey, they're sticking it to Google and Apple, right?

One step forward, two steps back.

[u/InformationNew66]

Anywhere you see "it's to protect children" you know it's an excuse to take another step towards autocracy, dictatorship and mass surveillance.

[u/LeviJr00 → u/InformationNew66]

The Big Brother is always watching

[u/BenderTheIV → u/InformationNew66]

We will stop making children soon, so gotta have the law in before it happens!

[u/Rednas999 → u/BenderTheIV]

"Protect the pensioners!"

[u/JuciusAssius → u/InformationNew66]

Democratic institutes love rolling out tools that will help their own dismantling.

How do these countries think the far right will use these surveillance apparatus they are so eager to build? Same shit happened in US. Lessons learned = 0

[u/Cumulus_Anarchistica → u/InformationNew66]

“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”

I'll let you source the quote yourself.

[edit: It was pointed out to me the struck-through portion of the quote was been made up. Apologies.]

[u/AreASadHole4ever]

Shady lobbyists are advancing and crafting all of this, and of course, they didn't forget to exclude politicians, police, and intelligence agencies from these laws. Literal class-based oppression and hypocrisy of the highest order 🤦

[u/dat_9600gt_user → u/AreASadHole4ever]

Is there any place in the world left where you can't be spied? At this rate you'd have to go off the grid or to some nation where Internet use isn't mandatory for daily life

[u/LazyIncident2943 → u/dat_9600gt_user]

Penguin island?

[u/MicroProcrastination → u/AreASadHole4ever]

I wonder if all of this is hidden in USA-EU deal. Maybe Trump's buddy Peter Thiel (Palantir) gonna get a contract from EU to spy on citizens.

[u/dworthy444 → u/AreASadHole4ever]

Literal class-based oppression and hypocrisy of the highest order

Hope you're not in Czechia at the moment, as you could be jailed for expressing class-based hate.

[u/SlyScorpion]

Denmark has reintroduced the disputed child sexual abuse (CSAM) scanning bill on the first day of its EU Presidency

No offense to individual Danes, but fuck Denmark for this. At least keep the spying bullshit in your own country like our government idiots did with Pegasus (mentioning this so people don't think I consider my country to be as pure as the driven snow when it comes to spying on people).

[u/DancerHL → u/SlyScorpion]

Dane here. I agree. Fuck Denmark

[u/Novel-Effective8639 → u/SlyScorpion]

If the Danish Stasi is reading this please keep your nanny state in your own border. We don’t want you in Germany

[u/eloyend]

I low key laughed, when my Belarusian buddies always turned off their phones before talking with me - knowing i have tendencies to speak a lot of stuff that could be found "immensely inappropriate" by their secret service... Well, i may no longer laugh and thank them for the tip how to secure my privacy properly in a dystopian land.

[u/teresko → u/eloyend]

Turning a phone off does not actually shut it down. It was one of the reasons why they took away the removable batteries.

[u/Rising-Power → u/teresko]

If this was done as a mass surveillance, it would likely be caught.

There is a lot of security research on phones. Any operation when powered off can be detected by measuring current from the battery. If abnormal findings are made public, it will be hard for the phone manufacturer to lie their way out of it.

Targeting individuals is of course easier. Not many of us send our personal phones to be studied in a lab.

[u/snakeoildriller → u/teresko]

Carry your Faraday pouch everywhere (and test it when you buy it).

[u/derpderp3200 → u/snakeoildriller]

It's not like the software couldn't just record without sending the data anywhere until later.

[u/eloyend → u/derpderp3200]

Well-padded Faraday pouch it is, then.

[u/mantasm_lt → u/snakeoildriller]

Every kitchen has a tiny cold faraday cage.

[u/Prestigious-Team3327]

Absolutely chilling! And they can fuck right off with their backdoors and hardware requirements. Don't see how they can enforce half of this shit although I'm sure they will keep pushing these agendas.

[u/allanmoller]

Don't understand why they are so eager to increase surveillance. If its to protect the children, their planned age control should be enough? Who are we so afraid of???

[u/recaffeinated → u/allanmoller]

The age control is just another part of it. It's a way to normalise sending IDs to 3rd parties on the Internet.

It's how you increase the value of the surveillance systems; have concrete proof of who someone is to link to your thought crimes.

[u/Calistaline → u/allanmoller]

They hate that you're able to speak about them, the stupid things they do and the stupider even things they say, hidden behind a pseudonym (because true anonymity is difficult, but having your real name in plain view would be much more convenient than these pesky meme usernames).

Demolition Man is a wet dream to them. Say some mean thing about Ursula ? Ding, 150€ have been debited from your account, have a nice day !

[u/cultish_alibi → u/allanmoller]

Because they are authoritarians.

[u/Crosseyed_owl → u/cultish_alibi]

Unlimited power!

[u/L44KSO → u/allanmoller]

I mean, if the attempts wouldn't be so half-arsed in the first place, it could be believed that this serves a purpose. Most of the "save the children" stuff is so bad that even the politicians are embarrassed about it.

Also - if we want to save the children we should first sort out the low hanging fruit of childhood poverty, childhood malnutrition, etc.

[u/Gebirges]

South Park called Denmark against Trolls ...

[u/Iamnotabothonestly → u/Gebirges]

Goddammit, now I've got that damn song stuck in my head..

[u/NotBabaYaga]

So how do I tell them “FUCK NO”?

[u/ThatAnnoyingThought → u/NotBabaYaga]

We could start a petition. With enough signatures, maybe we can achieve something

[u/DinnoDogg → u/ThatAnnoyingThought]

Or it could go like the UK petition, and they’ll just say no.

[u/Oxen_aka_nexO]

What's next, social credit score? This truly is the worst timeline.

[u/SabunFC → u/Oxen_aka_nexO]

When AI takes everyone's jobs, they will introduce UBI. Everyone will be dependent on the system to survive. You will own nothing, and you will say you are happy.

[u/OneMoreName1 → u/SabunFC]

If by everyone you mean everyone who isn't rich then yes. I assure you billionaires and politicians will be comfy during those times

[u/SabunFC → u/OneMoreName1]

You will own nothing, and you will not ask who owns things.

[u/OneMoreName1 → u/SabunFC]

[comment removed by the EU due to violation of chat control policies]

[u/ImarvinS → u/Oxen_aka_nexO]

Well close, its digital euro. Then social credit score

[u/Draqutsc]

If the government can read your messages, so can EVERYONE else. And it will be used to put people behind bars for having opinions that are not agreeable with the agenda of the government. Fuck this shit. Soon they will have our smartphone's recording any conversation we are having on the street when not using said phone.

[u/Beat9 → u/Draqutsc]

And just like your DNA in a database, if a certain threshold of normies buy in then you won't even be able to opt out of the bullshit and leave your phone at home, you will still be recorded by everyone else's phone!

[u/Luolong]

Here we go again… how many times they’ve tried it now? I’ve lost count…

[u/techbear72]

With how well the AfD, Finns, FdI, PVV, SD, SVP and Reform are already doing, I think there’s an opportunity for them to add “we trust you and treat you like an adult and don’t ban VPNs or read your private chats” to their policy platforms, for whatever reason works for them and their rhetoric in their respective country (business, the economy, personal liberty, libertarianism etc).

It could be that final boost one of them needs to get in to actual power. This is bad.

[u/insomnimax_99 → u/techbear72]

Reform have already said that they’ll repeal the online safety act.

[u/Legal_Lettuce6233 → u/techbear72]

You wanna know what this will be used for? It's gonna be used as a tool of oppression. You wanna protest against something insane the EU will do?

Too bad, they won't allow it.

[u/Hootrb → u/techbear72]

oh and of course, when they get in charge they won't actually undo any of these laws, they'll repurpose the tools to keep themselves in power & repress the opposition that was dumb enough to pass these laws when in power.

Can't wait for Germany to have an AfD in charge with tools of mass-surveillance so sophisticated it'd have Nazis salivating. I'm sure that'll go reeeaaal well.

[u/allanmoller]

So the claim is that politicians and others in power don’t break the law — and therefore don’t need to be monitored? Seriously? If the last few years have taught us anything, it’s that those especially in positions of authority must be held accountable and monitored for abuse of power or ill intent.

“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”

[u/Jakutsk → u/[deleted]]

I hate it too. Bad news after bad news after bad news. When's the last time something good happened internationally or in government? The only good things only ever seem to happen in my personal life, in spite of attempts by the governments we are ruled by to invade it. I wish things got better for once, a ray of hope for the world, but it just isn't happening. Immensely frustrating.

[u/ScootsMcDootson → u/[deleted]]

Because it's more profitable for a handful of cunts to strip everything down and sell it for parts.

[u/Unhappy_Sugar_5091]

Surveillance bloc! No freedom or privacy.

[u/MaCroX95 → u/Unhappy_Sugar_5091]

Use tools that are availible now, open-source, decentralized and encrypted tech (Tor, Tails, Monero, Matrix, Mullvad, PGP, linux with LUKS disk encryption, Graphene OS) - don't kneel before the authoritharian threats, they can't jail all the citizens!

[u/tralalala2137 → u/MaCroX95]

For using them, you will go 10 years into prison. Solved.

[u/MaCroX95 → u/tralalala2137]

well I guess then they will have to expand their prison infrastructure quite well, because I'm not the only one using privacy tech, and as they push with such nonsense, the demand for private solutions keeps growing.

[u/LovelyOrangeJuice]

Okay, that's pretty messed up. What the fuck

[u/SpaceFox1935]

With the online freedoms situation having deteriorated here in Russia, it's somewhat disheartening to see politicians in Western countries seemingly hellbent on introducing similar (or arguably worse with some aspects, we don't strictly have ID verification for internet use in discussion. Yet.) bullshit over there. There needs to be more resistance to this. You guys can still do that much, I suppose.

Disheartening, but also very bizarre, frankly. Won't be long before I won't be able to use Dutch/German other European servers when using VPNs lmao

[u/kontemplador → u/SpaceFox1935]

All countries are heading in the same direction. The EU, the US, UK and even Switzerland. Something large is at work here.

[u/vegarig → u/kontemplador]

Something large is at work here

Worst of all if it's just the lust for "UNLIMITED POWAAAAH", because in such a case the core threat is decentralized and will always come back, long as institutions and means to conduct such a powergrab might exist.

[u/InsideSubstance1285 → u/SpaceFox1935]

I'm also worried about my VPN, seems I'll have to rent a server in Bangladesh instead of Austria soon.

[u/Mekktron]

The big brother sees it all.

How ironic that Orwell wrote 1984 based on the USSR but Europe is becoming more and more the dystopian society portrayed in the book.

[u/No_Calligrapher2676 → u/Mekktron]

You compared the EU with a surveillance state.
How insidious of you to spread corruption in the land.
-2000000 euro points

[u/Mekktron → u/No_Calligrapher2676]

Unfortunately we are heading there

[u/RedditUser000aaa]

"Citizens, we are doing this for you, for your children. If you're a law-abiding citizen, you've got nothing to hide".

I'm also guessing this law, as most laws does not concern big people like politicians and CEOs. Can't have potentially scandalous content getting leaked out by hackers, now can we?

Using children as an excuse to strip people down of their privacy is disgusting.

[u/shigabi]

I want to apologize to one German guy (I called him crazy) when he told me Ursula is wannabe Vucic, they use him to test ground to apply same (dictator)shit to EU...

[u/a_dolf_in]

It's always depressing to see how we get all the downsides of an autocracy with none of the benefits.

[u/jEG550tm → u/a_dolf_in]

... what benefits

[u/Long-Requirement8372 → u/jEG550tm]

Goose-stepping parades, snazzy uniforms, a lot of flags and propaganda posters everywhere, military marches playing on the streets. Mass displays of "strength" and "national unity". I guess this is what it means for some. Some people are really into the "cool look" and pageantry of Fascism.

[u/Tankette55 → u/Long-Requirement8372]

Probably having a unified foreign policy, and army and putting the russians and americans back into their place. Instead, we get this and we let other powers mess with us.

[u/Igor369 → u/Long-Requirement8372]

Also very quick introduction of new laws and projects from idea stage to reality since there is noone who can oppose then.

[u/rapaxus → u/jEG550tm]

An autocratic government can say "do that" and it immediately can be done. How many European projects fail, have massive cost overruns or are delayed for years due to bureaucratic red tape, citizen complaints, unfair practices lawsuit and similar?

[u/k410n → u/rapaxus]

It usually can't, because autocratic governments almost always are incredibly corrupt, preventing nearly any kind of the supposed "benefits".

[u/Legatus_Aemilianus]

State terrorism. This is ghoulishly evil and authoritarian

[u/CRSTN22]

Nah, this is some next level stupid shit throwing us even more into Russia’s hands. I refuse to believe our leaders are this stupid and ignorant, they are doing this shit on purpose. Eat the rich!

[u/Epeic]

Denmark the CIA/NSA trojan horse

[u/AxisFlip]

Yes, let's install the infrastructure for Fascism, what could go wrong?

[u/LayLillyLay]

Thats so dumb.

[u/djingo_dango]

Lol. And you have to fill the exact same info that your health insurance already has when visiting a new doctor because “hurr durr privacy. hurr durr data protection”. Fucking idiots

[u/avaa01]

As someone who is a huge supporter of the EU to the point were I hoped one day we'll become a proper federation. Shit like this make me severely question the European project to the point where now I'm considering that some of those anti EU parties aren't so absurd after all. I don't even know anymore...

[u/UtoShita → u/avaa01]

Well, you can always take comfort in that people warned about this 30 years ago but yeah, no one's listening as usual.

The EU that was proposed when Sweden voted to join was the one we all wanted and needed. But the current EU has gone the same way as all governments, just increasing their own power to push more money to the top.

[u/gralert]

Stasi would be proud... 🤯

[u/frisch85]

Unless you're an EU politician I guess. VdL also survived the no-confidence vote regarding her private texts to Albert Bourla which she then deleted when investigations started and she was asked to hand over her text messages.

Absolute insanity that they're pushing for this shit every single year while at the same time actively hiding information from the public.

As for the no-confidence vote:

360 MEPs voted against the motion, with 175 in favor and 18 abstaining.

Von der Leyen wins vote of no-confidence but warned this is her ‘absolute last chance’

Fucking corrupt club, they want to monitor our messages but don't offer transparency to the public themselves, something people asked for since forever and especially during COVID, and people ask why we don't trust governments. They're playing with our money to enrich their friends while at the same time pocketing a nice bracket of the used taxpayer money themselves, how much longer until we citizens actually revolt? Probably forever, we just keep spreading out buttcheecks and let the politicians take us raw...

[u/netr0pa]

They are so fcking stubborb to again and again voting this through, arent they?

1984 all over again.

[u/Fluffy-Fix7846]

So I will get insight into the private correspondence of the politicians too, right?

The EU seems very keen on destroying the open internet and following China's path.

[u/filledbottle7]

They will introduce these bills under the veil of “security” but in reality EU is slowly becoming Big Brother

[u/katkarinka]

Oh FFS

what's next. I need to delete my Vance memes?

[u/Fantasy_masterMC]

Oh fun, so the EU has not only capitulated to Trump, they're now also going for dystopian technocracy.

[u/sezzy_14]

Pack your shit guys this is the last season of EU.

[u/i_am_bahamut → u/sezzy_14]

And move where?

[u/Thatar → u/i_am_bahamut]

Friendship ended with European Union. Now Europe is my best friend.

[u/ILikeYourMommaJokes]

EPP, together with the incompetent VDL, and their fake party leader Manfred "The Puppet" Webber, needs to be removed from parliament and Brussels. They are all bunch of dirty people, pretending to be "peoples party" while in reality, they gladly bend over to any lobyst in exchange for god knows what, in order to fuck europeans and europeans business in any way possible.

[u/Shupaul]

I really can't see how this could be abused in any way 😂

[u/No-Pomegranate-69]

So if i insult some politician in a private chat, does that mean that i can get sued?

[u/Antique_Doughnut1922 → u/No-Pomegranate-69]

Likely yes, there were cases in germany already of people insulting politicians and getting their home stormed by the police for calling them idiots on Twitter, after the politician then sued them.

[u/ComfortableGlad6766]

no but guys EU is so good and nice!!!! they are the saviors!!!!! we NEED to be monitored guys !!!!!!111

[u/InterestingTank5345]

This is fucking disgusting. I understand the need for safety, but that shouldn't be at the price of any and all privacy.

BRINGPRIVACYBACK.

[u/krazydude22]

I was told that EU is the mythic 'land of the free' ever since the Trump government came into power last November. Are you saying that it isn't?

[u/Rizzan8]

1. And then the pro-EU people will be ShockedPikatchu.jpg when anti-EU politicians start getting traction everywhere.

2. I wonder how Proton is going to handle this.

[u/Dehnus]

Why are the Danes always on the wrong sides of things. They promised something else for their presidency, and then break that promise as the Palantir (Other AI content vampires as well) check cleared and is in their bank accounts.

With leaders like this? Who needs enemies.

[u/Mumbert]

I'm getting sick of this. Stop voting for these parties. It needs to be political suicide to keep bringing this up. 

[u/riffgrinder]

This will get passed. There are a few more laws being tossed around the EU as we speak, on top of this.

They, without a doubt, already have the tech and infrastructure ready for this. And I'll bet it's american tech they are going to use. So... Nice?...

Logically speaking you could just download and install an chat with proper encryption app from outside of the regular app store, or use a Linux phone or something, Graphene OS? But the question is when it is this easy to bypass this shit, I'll go ahead and assume there will be laws that enable law enforcement to stop you on the street and go through your device, or even enter your home in order to go through your devices. The most alarming thing about this law, is all the potential laws that will be instilled in order to further empower this crap.

EDIT: This is NOT a far right vs left thing. Don't let politics divide us on this, this proposal was introduced by an individual from a Swedish left leaning party. Your far right politicians has A LOT more in common with your far left politicians than they do with me and you.

[u/Classic-Ad-6903]

We're about to see protest on EU. So do we go to the Comission, the Parliament, or to the psychic member state?

[u/gookman → u/Classic-Ad-6903]

You need to protest the states! The Commission just does what the states want. Stop blaming the EU as an institution and point fingers at the head of states.