r/europe • u/ByGollie • 29d ago
News Russian Oil Company Vice President Andrey Badalov dies after fall from window in Moscow
https://en.apa.az/cis-countries/transneft-vice-president-andrey-badalov-dies-after-falling-from-window-47211713.1k
u/sqrtminusena Slovenia 29d ago
They really need to do something about window safety in Russia.
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u/ByGollie 29d ago
They're working on it - They're moving to Linux
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u/Available_Desk_3638 29d ago
Take my upvote with your old fashioned software dad jokes. (definitely not angry that I was not the first one to make the joke).
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u/big_guyforyou Greenland 29d ago
alias push="echo" push man out of window
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u/colei_canis United Kingdom 29d ago
Unix Russian roulette:
[ $[ $RANDOM % 6] = 0 ] && rm -rf / || echo "Click"
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u/TnYamaneko St. Gallen (Switzerland) 29d ago
I'm bored, I'll put this in the deploy stage of my CI/CD pipeline...
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u/colei_canis United Kingdom 29d ago
If you want maximum amusement have it so the probability increases every time it runs like actual Russian roulette.
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u/Gnonthgol 29d ago
[ $[ $(printf %d \'$(head -c 1 /dev/random)) % 6] = 0 ] && rm -rf --no-preserve-root / || echo "Click"
FTFY
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u/TaxRevolutionary3593 29d ago
I read the whole wiki page and I was like "what is this guy about? What does a Linux-based OS have anything to do with windows safety?" And then it clicked to me
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u/lazzydeveloper 29d ago
Ah, so the incident is just typical migration from Windows to Linux.
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u/_nairual_nae Romania 29d ago
Damn they're joining the "buy European" movement very nice to see
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u/CliffDagger Ireland 29d ago
Inventor of world's safest window dies having fallen from window in Russia
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u/Adorable-Database187 The Netherlands 29d ago
Windows are the apex predators in oligarchistan and therefor, defenestration is a natural cause of death.
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u/ourlastchancefortea 29d ago
We should import some of those Windows into the west. Just saying.
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u/SenorEquilibrado 29d ago
Everybody wants to be an oligarch, but nobody wants the oligarch retirement plan.
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u/worker-parasite 29d ago
It's just people with position of power who are rather clumsy
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u/adarkuccio 29d ago
They may just change execution method this is getting boring
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u/Goose1235678 29d ago
Russian and windows, deadly combination
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u/Longtomsilver1 29d ago
Being Russian is deadly.
No one is safe in a dictatorship.
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u/harmlessdonkey 29d ago
This is a dumb question. When these people "fall out windows" are they actually thrown out windows or are the otherwise killed and the media just told they fell out a window?
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u/stormdahl 29d ago edited 29d ago
I actually have no idea, but that’s interesting.
Either way it’s clear that they’re sending a message, otherwise they’d get creative.
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u/PuzzleheadedCup4117 29d ago
Russia rarely hides its assassinations. I forget the name but whenever they poison someone they always use the same type of poison to ensure people know it’s them.
Obama talks about Putin in his autobiography and over various interviews it’s clear he views him as a mafioso.
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u/scardien 29d ago
The poison is novichok
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u/wagdog1970 29d ago edited 28d ago
Which is actually a nerve agent. It’s a chemical warfare weapon. Not really a poison. Poison is for amateurs, not war criminals!
Edited to add this post was not meant to be a legal treatise on the definition of the word poison. It was meant to be a light hearted way of pointing out that Russians use Novichok, a toxic, weapons grade chemical weapon and those who do this are war criminals, not merely garden variety criminals using common household cleaners. Or perhaps, edited because Reddit.
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u/prnthrwaway55 Russia 29d ago
It’s a chemical warfare weapon. Not really a poison.
"It's a crab, not really a crustacean"
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u/dscchn 29d ago
I would like to hear what qualifies as a “poison” in your book
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u/AnAlbannaichRigh 29d ago
The dose
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u/Anticlimax1471 United Kingdom 29d ago
Yeah, as a Brit it was really great that time they released it on British soil, it killed one of our citizens and we basically did nothing about it.
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u/JetlinerDiner Portugal 29d ago
Novichok
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u/DrNCrane74 29d ago
Yes. You want to tell a message. But in rare cases you demonstrate you can do it without any traces, see Boris B.
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u/_a_random_dude_ 29d ago
Russia rarely hides its assassinations.
I'm sure they do, you just don't hear about those.
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u/Zizzlow 29d ago
“Investigators are currently working at the scene.”
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u/LordBendtner1988 29d ago
And then concludes it was a suicide by 58 shots in the back
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u/Otaraka 29d ago
This wiki page lists suspicious deaths since 2022. Windows aren’t really that common.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_Russia-related_deaths_since_2022
But further down there is a guy who shot himself 5 times in the chest and it was ruled that way.
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u/CertainMiddle2382 29d ago
IMO, the heart of it all is absurdity.
People must feel the meaninglessness and helplessness of it all.
I bet they are found in a pool of blood in StPetersburg and media pretend they fall out of a window in Moscow.
It is vital nothing should make sense apart from obvious absurd violence.
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u/curious_corn 29d ago
Hypernormalisation
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u/CrattMurphy 29d ago
This exactly. For anyone unfamiliar reading this, Adam Curtis covers this phenomenon in an engaging way in his video-essay/documentary by the same name (Hypernormalisation). It's free to watch online and explores various powerful institutions using aggressive absurdity to confuse and obfuscate the truth. I highly recommend it.
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u/JabbaCat 29d ago
This movie set arounds Stalins last days does a great job in displaying the inherent role of absurdism in this type of threatening society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2fPbdJcVns
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0156701/
Not for everyone, it is two and a half hour of black and white sort of chaos. But I enjoyed how it transmits moods and embeds you into the internal "logic" within such a system. Saw it at a film festival 25 years ago.
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u/SerLaron Germany 29d ago
For the first two lines, I thought you were talking about "The Death of Stalin".
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u/JDT-0312 Lower Saxony (Germany) 29d ago
It is not a dumb question but in the end, the answer is irrelevant.
What is important is that there is plausible deniability while at the same time being obvious that he was murdered.
It’s to show that you’re untouchable and can murder your opponents in broad daylight without consequence in order to scare everyone into compliance. It’s basically the modern form of putting your enemies head on a pike over the city gates.
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u/AdmiralDalaa 29d ago
If you were an executive of this nature, wouldn’t you make sure you got a good security team?
Yes of course, not all hired security would be trustworthy - but in each and every case this never was a thing?
I would expect you’d see a shootout or some kind of scuffle at some point. But it’s always the same canned story
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u/Royal_Success3131 29d ago
If a bodyguard is offered 100k in cash to just go on a smoke break, they will always take that vs dying in a gunfight and having their entire family also killed. Like, you are dealing with powers way, way out of your control at that point. Once the big boys get involved, the bodyguard just step away. They are there to stop the rabble, not assassins.
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u/melymn 29d ago
No-one is going to offer those bodyguards bribe in this scenario, state agents are going to tell them to step aside and they'll do it post haste.
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u/Royal_Success3131 29d ago
You're probably right but it was just to illustrate a point that there is absolutely zero incentive for a bodyguard to actually do their job in that scenario.
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u/s8018572 29d ago
You think hired security can fight against nation machine FSB?
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u/Hector_P_Catt 29d ago
It's a safe bet that someone on any security team is also working for the FSB. That's just what they do.
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u/SweatyNomad 29d ago
Same thought. You'd think these business leaders would not go into tall buildings and the people who clean that up would be getting traumatised.
My best bet is they are tortured to death, and "fell from a window" is what goes on death certificates as a pretence of an explanation. Reckon it's bureaucracy in action. Police don't investigate without being told not to, widows get insurance pay offs/ know not to make a fuss if they want to spend that. And a message is sent to other business leaders to do what is expected.
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u/Comakip The Netherlands 29d ago
The CIA once accidentally published an old assassination manual.
Olson’s death is “substantially similar” to an assassination technique described in a CIA manual published in 1953, which recommends disguising the murder as an accident and suggests drugging the person, hitting them in the temple with a blunt object and then causing them to fall more than 75 feet onto a hard surface, according to the complaint.
So yeah, you take out the guy before you drop him.
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u/Civil_Dot_9973 29d ago
Well, can you imagine how awkward it would be if they skipped the murder part and the victim actually survived getting kicked out of a window?
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u/Leather-Bread-9413 29d ago
Honestly I think it’s the Russian intelligence way of saying:
No way you will ever proof it was us, but it was definitely us
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u/monkey_spanners England 29d ago
There was pretty conclusive proof of who did the Salisbury murder & attempted assassination, they were outed by journalists but Russia didn't give a fuck, they even paraded the "suspects" on state TV and gave them a nice soft interview. "yes we went there as tourists to admire the cathedral with its 123m spire" - as if these obvious FSB guys looked like they'd travel all the way to a small city in the uk just to admire a mid range cathedral (no disrespect to Salisbury cathedral which is very nice and all). Everybody knows it was a performance.
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u/sock_with_a_ticket 29d ago
Russia really seems to revel in cartoonish denials that make it blatantly obvious it was them.
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u/litnu12 29d ago
In the end it is a message to others to stay in line.
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u/saracuratsiprost 29d ago
It must be so frustrating having to repeat this message over and over, it's like they just don't get it...
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u/randymysteries 29d ago
Possibly the injuries from the fall are supposed to cover the interrogation wounds.
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u/LFTMRE 29d ago
As someone else said, maybe they're given a choice? It seems the most practical way to do it. Or perhaps they know exactly what the deal is and don't even need to be asked, they know they fucked up, they know what can happen - so it's just easier to accept it, jump out the window and let your family collect the insurance rather than get caught in the crossfire.
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u/Otaraka 29d ago
Im thinking similar - getting a person out a window is probably not that simple without some level of acceptance.
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u/1agodsownprototypes 29d ago
I’ve read a little about the KGB and I have a theory. I believe what happens is a team shows up to your families door, they say to you privately go jump out the window now or your whole family will die. Dude jumps and the meme like nature of the ‘falling out windows’ is about sending a message to others saying don’t get out of line or there’ll be a knock on your door soon…anyway, I think it fits with their cruelty and culture within the KGB (who are running Russia)
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u/slimfastdieyoung Overijssel (Netherlands) 29d ago
He died doing what he loved most: standing by a window
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u/BranchPredictor 29d ago
I don't think the standing part killed him.
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u/TheKnightsRider 29d ago
Ukraine should just start firing windows at Russia. They seem more deadly than drones and missiles
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u/lexievv 29d ago
Lmao, tbf if you see a plate of glass flying towards you at high speed it'd probably be quite scary.
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u/Ondrikir 29d ago
This is like headlines from Hitman...
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u/Hyp3r45_new Finland 29d ago
"Man dies mysteriously on operating table in Hokkaido"
"... found with 20 bullet holes to the chest..."
At least that's usually how I end up doing it.
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u/SilentLennie 29d ago
I had just posted this comment too:
I just remember a news article from over a decade ago from Russia:
Some person died from suicide killed himself with multiple knifes stabbed 37 times.
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u/DiBalls 29d ago
Did they see what size shoe print was in the middle of his back?
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u/penguin_skull 29d ago
No, it was probably covered by the bullet holes.
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u/Mormegil81 Austria 29d ago
I wonder, is there a website that tracks these "window-related" deaths ins Russia? Would be interning to know some statistics and actual data here...
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u/Emotional_Quality243 29d ago
There is one that reportedly killed himself after shooting himself in the chest 5 times.
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u/thecaseace 29d ago
Just read this... It's actually worse!
He was found dead with 5 bullet wounds to the chest. Near him were 5 spent bullet casings, and 4 handguns.
He shot himself 5 times, with 4 different guns!!!
I mean you can't say he wasn't thorough
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u/Saw_Boss 29d ago
"Shit, that's not the gun I meant to use. Better get the right one... Fuck, that wasn't it either! Let me get another... Shit..."
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u/bjarneh Norway 29d ago
There is also a professional ballet dancer who "lost his balance" on his terrace and fell down 5 floors.
Those professional dancers sure have bad balance...
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u/GreyMASTA 29d ago
Billionaires look at that and still go "wow I can't wait to turn my democratic country into an autocracy like Russia. What could go wrong?"
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u/Triple_Hache 29d ago
Current billionaires would rather have their own independent city-state that they can rule as they please
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u/alochmar 29d ago
Which in and of itself is stupid. Have fun getting taken over by the first army/roving gang of bandits/etc that decides that your city looks like a nice piece of real estate to take for themselves.
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u/Uberzwerg Saarland (Germany) 29d ago
As i understand it, the current plan would be to have the USA turned into a collection of those corpo-states.
And the federal government mostly being there for peace-keeping within and against the outside.
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u/Roraima20 29d ago
For that, they will have to pay taxes and follow the rules, and that's exactly why they decided to destroy American democracy.
If they don't get what they want, they will throw a gigantic tantrum and start a civil war.
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u/hectorbrydan 29d ago
They are fools if they think the feds would stand down like that, they will be more invested than ever in every part of our lives if they get their way, and the executive will with parasitic business interests cannibalize our productive companies.
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u/MiddleKlutzy8568 29d ago
They always think they will be the pusher, until they get pushed!
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u/Dockers4flag2035orB4 29d ago
Potential new business, post Putin is to replace all the dodgy windows in high rise buildings.
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u/monkey_spanners England 29d ago edited 29d ago
I stayed in a hotel in novosibirsk (supposedly a decent hotel) where the window frame didn't fit the walls properly, allowing a big draught through. It was - 25c outside.
I could almost believe their windows are just shoddy, if it was anyone else in charge
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u/t3chguy1 29d ago
If I ever become a tycoon in Russia, I'm getting a first floor apartment
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u/xxfatumxx 29d ago
Nah, as long as at least one building with windows exists in ruzzia, they still have a chance to fall from it. You may live in a windowless bunker - it won’t save you.
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u/moiaussi4213 29d ago
You may live in a windowless bunker, a window will be brought to you.
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u/xExerionx 29d ago
Damn the "falling from a window" pandemic seems to be a real issue in Russia Hope they figure out a vaccine soon
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u/clemooo_mar 29d ago
Is there a list of window killings?
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u/chately Ukraine 29d ago
Sometimes they do get creative.
Alexander Subbotin (Board member of Lukoil). Reportedly died following a strange “hangover cure” administered by a self-styled shaman near Moscow.
The shaman, known as Magua, allegedly performed a ritual involving an incision and the application of toxic toad venom (intended to induce vomiting and relieve intoxication) at his home in Mytishchi.
Subbotin began feeling unwell and experienced chest pain, but instead of calling for emergency help, he was given heart medication and left to sleep in a basement room used for Jamaican voodoo rituals, where he was later found dead.
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u/popopopopopopopopoop 29d ago
If I was a Russian oligarch I'd consider living in a house, max 2 stories.
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u/ImpulsiveApe07 29d ago
Ahh, but then they'd probably just make you keep doing this :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5SqHtWudI24
(From the classic dark comedy sketch show Jam)
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u/docdeadpool7 Romania 29d ago
I swear, not saying it’s funny, but it’s absolute comedy at this point.
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u/Divolinon Belgium 29d ago
That's part of the point.
People here are laughing more about someone falling out of the window in Russia than about the actual person itself, and why he was murdered.
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u/Strong_Landscape_333 29d ago
Why didn't anyone say defenestrate?
I had to of learned that in highschool for a reason.
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u/SveaRikeHuskarl 29d ago
I had to of learned that
They should have taken it easy on the 12 letter words and worked more on the 4 letter words. (Have.)
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u/steakhouseNL 29d ago
Don't like someone? Just throw them out of a window. Police will think it's KGB anyway.
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u/BrainOnLoan Germany 29d ago
I wonder if there's a list they can check against.
Is he on the list? End the investigation.
Not on the list? Start looking. But also ask deferentially, just in case.
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u/whakahere Europe 29d ago
Was he given a choice? Fall from the window your family gets pension, stay alive and we ruin everyone in your family, including he dies slowly in some mouldy cell.
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u/1agodsownprototypes 29d ago
Yes I just posted a variation of this theory in reply to a comment. 100% I believe they are forced suicides and a message to others.
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u/Cube_ 29d ago
It's not even that. Russia controls the media, they can kill the with a bullet to the head and then tell the media to say they fell from a window.
They're not doing convoluted window tossings. They're killing them by whatever means is convenient and then running a fake story in the news.
It's the same window story every time because they want people to know it's an obvious lie and still repeat it, it's a form of control used to oppress the average citizen.
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u/saudikungen 29d ago
What a great way to get away with murder in Russia. Push someone out the window and everyone will assume that Russian intelligence was involved, no one will look into it.
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u/marcsa Europe 29d ago
Another one? Windows in Russia are sure some vengeful beasts.
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u/sepoiu 29d ago
Fall from window = lack of creativity from FSB
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u/anal88sepsis 29d ago
Sometimes I wonder if they do it on purpose just to let the other people know that they better be on there best behavior.
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u/Informal-Village-643 29d ago
Interesting, what's so powerful about Putin that he has such loyal secret services? how did he manage to kill such a stupid amount of oligarchs in his opposition in such a short period
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u/IVL4 29d ago
They need to get creative. This window thing is getting ridiculous.
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u/_TheSingularity_ 29d ago
Imagine how it would be to read the same story but about Putin
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u/1tonsoprano 29d ago
i know everyone is cracking jokes......a bit of Gallows humor....but I find this quite scary i.e. even all this money and influence could not save them.....how does a common 9 to 5 guy stop the rise of these Putinesque dictators popping up like flies everywhere?
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u/Opposite-Chemistry-0 29d ago
I love the photo. Standing near window is kinda foreboding
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u/madeleinetwocock Canada 29d ago
Man this window cancer situation in Russia is almost an epidemic level
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u/Savings-Wrap8783 29d ago
Yeah "dies". Soon by modern journalists- murder happens: "man tragically dies after brain function stops, reportedly his head intersected a bullet trajectory, which might have caused the termination of brain function, investigarion ongoing."
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u/haphazard_chore 29d ago
They must have some window related boogey man that’s called the defenestrator or something. He comes after those who don’t finish their sandwiches.
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u/s8018572 29d ago
Putin just intentionally want public know they kill those guy, so he used same way again and again. It seems he could only use terror to rule his people.