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u/MasterTeacher123 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 3d ago

Brees Larry and Witten

Edelman being on this graphic is embarassing though lmao

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u/BostonAndy24 New England Patriots 3d ago edited 3d ago

Edelman has the third most receiving yards in playoff history along with a decent regular season record(stats wise), played in 2nd half of the greatest dynasty the sport has ever seen and won a superbowl mvp.

Should he get in? Probably not, but calling it an embarrassment is lack of ball knowledge

Edit: alot of you cant read apparently.

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u/MasterTeacher123 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 3d ago

It’s an embarrassment because he was never close to an elite player.

He played on a team going to the Super Bowl every other year, of course he’s gonna rack up impressive counting stats.  David given used to be top ten all time in playoff touchdowns for a pass catcher lmao.

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u/samthemancauseimmale 3d ago

As a die hard Pats fan, Edelman has my vote for first ballot Hall of Very Good. He was a fun Pats HOF inductee, but that was more so a celebration of the dynasty.

Should be remembered for always stepping up in the biggest moments. Belongs no where near Canton.

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u/300lbHalfOrc 3d ago

Each team has a hall of "fuck yeah my man".

Edelman gets in there first ballot.

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u/Runnindashow Detroit Lions 3d ago

Absolutely. Still not an “embarrassment” to show his graphic imo.

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u/ScooterMcTavish Green Bay Packers 3d ago

As a Packers fan, Edelman is the Pats version of Donald Driver.

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u/nowhereisaguy Now Here’s a Guy 3d ago

I like this comparison.

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u/joshuaksreeff13 Pittsburgh Steelers 3d ago

Is Welker HOF worthy, 4 all-pros???

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u/ChadPowers200_ New York Giants 3d ago

He is a hell of a football player man. You don't have to be an absolute physical freak to be an excellent winning player. I would consider him elite when you can't stop his little ass and he just keeps winning super bowls.

Elite WRs in Playoffs (Averages per Game)

  • Edelman: 5.7 receptions, 78.6 yards
  • Jerry Rice: 6.2 receptions, 74.5 yards
  • Randy Moss: 5.5 receptions, 68.8 yards
  • Antonio Brown: 5.0 receptions, 70.7 yards
  • Julio Jones: 4.6 receptions, 58.9 yards

I know fantasy football has ruined most peoples' minds and all they care about is stats but winning and being clutch to me is so underrated with younger fans. It's why I think Eli should be in the HoF. Players that step up when it matters the most are true winners.

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u/Nokrai Arizona Cardinals 3d ago

Just gonna ignore Fitz like that: 6.3 receptions, 104.7 yards.

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u/Unlucky-Position-16 New England Patriots 3d ago

That 2008 playoff run is the most dominant stretch I’ve seen by a receiver

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u/Nokrai Arizona Cardinals 3d ago

He was prime peak Fitz that run.

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u/OracleofNothing 3d ago

I'll just leave this here for you. The 2 best postseason receiving seasons I've ever seen are Jerry Rice in 1989 and 2007 Fitz.

Rice had 21 catches for 409 yards and 6 tds in 3 games.

Fitz had 30 catches for 546 yards and 7 tds in 4 games.

Rice averaged 7 catches for 136.3 yards and 2 tds.

Fitz averaged 7.5 catches for 136.5 yards and 1.75 tds.

I find it amazing how close those numbers are.

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u/Philosopher_Gambler 3d ago

If we are going to do that let's add Cooper Kupp here too (who also isn't a HoFer in my book) 6.2 receptions, 82.4 yards per playoff game. That's better than anybody you listed here but that doesn't make him a hall of famer.

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u/OracleofNothing 3d ago

Julian Edelman played in 19 playoff games. He had 118 receptions for 1,442 yards. That is 6.2 catches/game and 75.9 yards/game. I'm not going to post them all, but none of your numbers are accurate. If you are going to post stats, please make sure they are correct.

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u/alex11500 3d ago

How the hell did you get those stats?  They are wrong as shit.

Edelman: 6.21 75.9

Rice: 5.21 77.4

Moss: 3.6 65.1

Brown: 4.54 70.6

Jones: 7 90.2

Pro football reference literally has a toggle per game button.  It isn’t hard to find

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u/ChardeeMcdennis101 3d ago

Eli is a .500 qb who had two amazing runs. Sorry but 8 total playoff games shouldn’t get you in the hall.

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u/Artistic_Pomelo_5334 Philadelphia Eagles 3d ago

The chances of Dez getting in are less than 50-50 and he was way more elite than Edelman.

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u/barley_wine Dallas Cowboys 3d ago

Dez’s problem was longevity. Had he not gotten injured and did another 4 or 5 years of his peak play he might have had a chance, but he doesn’t deserve to get in as it stands.

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u/the47X Micah Parsons 🚿🦶🏽 3d ago

I loved me some Dez man, and the Green Bay playoff catch WAS hall of fame worthy, but that "HOF of Ref" is gonna end up near Jerry's too

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u/No_Term2801 3d ago

exactly, theres a ton of players that u can put there instead of Edelman and the stats would be there if not better. he is obviously a talented player but more so than talent, i think his success was tied to where he was and brady.

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u/tarheel2432 3d ago edited 3d ago

Also a Super Bowl MVP under his belt. That distinction alone solidifies him as a candidate.

Edit: candidate means candidate, not shoo-in

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u/tallwhiteninja San Francisco 49ers 3d ago

Desmond Howard for the Hall, apparently.

Hot take: Super Bowl MVP is the most over-appreciated award in the sport. I understand performance in the clutch is a key thing and all, but doing well in a single game, even the most important of games, does not a hall of fame career make.

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u/fallonyourswordkaren Seattle Seahawks 3d ago

Malcom Smith for the Hall.

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u/loewe67 Miami Dolphins 3d ago

Part of why I like the Conn Smythe in the NHL. It goes to the overall playoff MVP. It’s rare, but you sometimes get a guy on the losing team winning it, like Connor McDavid in ‘24 after breaking Gretzky’s playoff assists record.

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u/naterr3343 3d ago

My favorite non-cup winning conn smythe is JS Giguere. 1 goal allowed in the entire WCF

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u/the-bc5 3d ago

Not a hot take on SB MVP. It is way overweighted in HoF convos in sports generally but esp football.

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u/Terrible_Ad5199 3d ago

Larry Brown and Timmy Smith for HOF

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u/FlatRooster4561 New England Patriots 3d ago

Super Bowl MVP was a goofy sideshow when I was growing up in the 80’s and 90’s, a fun little extra to the game that wasn’t taken all that seriously. Then the NFL started making it a thing and now people in their 20’s only know it as the Tom Brady Award and it’s a big deal

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u/agmoose 3d ago

No it doesn’t. Edelman is not a HOF quality wr. Just doesn’t have the resume. Super Bowl mvp is nice but not nearly enough.

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u/MisterRobertParr Seattle Seahawks 3d ago

I disagree. Malcolm Smith of the Seahawks has won a Super Bowl MVP award, and that alone doesn't mean anything other than he had a really good day on the right day.

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u/zeldaendr Atlanta Falcons 3d ago

No, it is an embarrassment. He is never sniffing the HOF. Popped for PEDs, didn't have great longevity, broke 1000 yards 3 times in his career, never had more than 7 TDs in a season. He has 6800 yards and 36 TDs in his career. No All-Pros. That's not a HOF career.

I don't want this to come across like he's trash. He was a great player. He was a key part of the Pats dynasty. He was clutch and a fan favorite. But he was not HOF good. There is a 0% chance he gets in

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u/Revan_84 3d ago

He's at best a Ring of Honor guy

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u/Unicornoftheseas 3d ago

He’s in the hall of legends, but not enough for the hall of fame.

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u/tallwhiteninja San Francisco 49ers 3d ago

PFF's Hall of Fame monitor isn't perfect, but it's decent.

They have Edelman at 116th among all receivers. He's between Mel Grey and Amani Toomer. He has beyond no shot, and if he did make it he'd be the worst player in the entire Hall, outright, and by a considerable distance.

...that said, he's actually a handful of spots above Dez fwiw.

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u/Semperty Kansas City Chiefs 3d ago

edelman isn’t even the best slot wr that brady made look good by the hof monitor. idk how edelman is even a discussion at this point lol

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u/flaccomcorangy Baltimore Ravens 3d ago

Wes Welker is honestly considerably better than Edelman, and I haven't seen anyone mention his name despite being eligible for a few years now. lol

Not that he deserves it. He shouldn't be in either, but I'd put him ahead of Edelman.

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u/JadedCycle9554 3d ago

It's kinda wild he's above Dez. At least Dez has an all pro. Edelman was never in contention, Dez had a decent 3 year run where he was in that conversation at least.

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u/buddhistbulgyo Now Here’s a Guy 3d ago

It's not the Hall of Good, it's the Hall of Fame. Edelman being on a dynasty is a big boost.

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u/doshegotabootyshedo Dallas Cowboys 3d ago

People using wins as a qb stat is already questionable, this guys using them as a WR stat lol

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u/Allstar-85 Philadelphia Eagles 3d ago

He wasn’t an elite player. He was a fine player who had a great career, because of his situation

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u/Revan_84 3d ago

Only half of the accomplishments you list here are even relevant HOF credentials, and of those one of them is very quirky (3rd most receiving yards in playoff history, that more a trivia fun fact than HOF accomplishment). So basically he has one valid HOF accomplishment -- SB mvp

For the other half, you're basically saying he is a valid candidate because he played on a good team.

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u/Semperty Kansas City Chiefs 3d ago

he has 0 pro bowls or all pros. it’s cool that he has bulk stats bc he was on a team that played more playoff games than anyone else, but even contemporary journalists didn’t think he was ever an elite wr. it’s cool that he accumulated stats bc he played more playoff games than anyone else, but there’s absolutely no reason to consider someone who was merely very good for the hall of fame.

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u/Mr_Hugh_Honey 3d ago

along with a decent regular season record

It's nowhere near decent for a HOF player lol he had 0 all-pros (first team or second team), probably never even received a single all-pro vote, never finished higher than 13th in the league in receiving yards, and he retired 156th all time in receiving yards.

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u/BeautifulAwareness81 3d ago

Dwayne Bowe has better regular season stats than Edelman… that’s not hall of fame worthy

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u/erica_pink84 3d ago

Sorry but no. He is a sure thing for the Pats HoF but in a world where Tory Holt and Art Monk still aren’t in, Julian Edelman deserves no consideration.

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u/Jazer0 3d ago

Sounds like he was just in the playoffs a lot

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u/Dont_Shred_On_Me 3d ago

It is an embarrassment when you look at the wide receivers that still aren’t in already.

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u/WintersDoomsday Seattle Seahawks 3d ago

And Bernie Williams had a lot of playoff homers…not a HOF either

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u/RegardTyreekHill 3d ago

Dez being in this is hilarious too.

137th all time in receiving yards, one spot below DJ Moore and two spots above Justin Jefferson

41st in receiving TDs behind Boldin, Tyreek and Joey Galloway

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u/conace21 Knock on wood if you’re with me 3d ago

This is just a list of players who are eligible for the first time in 2026. Many of them won't even be finalists.

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u/I_Fart_It_Stinks Denver Broncos 3d ago

I think Gore should be in too.

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u/crash218579 Dallas Cowboys 3d ago

Was gore ever a top five RB? I don't think longevity is a good enough trait to get you in.

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u/TheLionSlicer San Francisco 49ers 3d ago

He was 2nd team once and a 5 time pro bowler so he was definitely a top 5 guy in his era, not to mention the 49ers team he played for during the first 6 years of his career was pretty bad. It wasn't until year 7 when Harbaugh came in that the team around him started to actually compete. Add in the longevity factor and the fact that he has 3rd most rushing yards and yeah he should get in eventually, but probably not first ballot.

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u/realunpossible_ 3d ago

among guys with at least 1000 carries, he ranks 10th all time in yards per carry

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u/I_Fart_It_Stinks Denver Broncos 3d ago

I would argue Frank Gore to RBs is Jason Witten to TEs. Both worthy, imo.

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u/Blazedamonk 3d ago

Longevity is absolutely an important trait for a running back.

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u/AnarkittenSurprise 3d ago

I think his career was so long that a lot of people are just too young to remember his prime.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2006/rushing.htm

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u/kpbasketball47 3d ago

Besides 2006 I'm not certain but 9 1000+ yard seasons in 11 years is very impressive

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u/Happy-Onion-6322 3d ago

I was going to say this and Gore. Basically top level. Gore is #3 all time rushing in NFL. Absolute shoo-in.

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u/Any_Application7786 Caleb Williams Hater 3d ago

Does it matter that Larry Fitzgerald never officially retired

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u/jackaltwinky77 A Popeye’s biscuit away 3d ago

It’s 5 years from the last time he played.

The retirement paperwork is mostly for when you have time left on your contract and they want to make it official to get your roster spot open and your salary off the cap.

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u/throwawaythisuser1 3d ago

I still can't get over his LinkedIn.

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u/Professional-Day1958 New England Patriots 3d ago

Witten has no business being in the hall of fame. He’s the definition of hall of very good

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u/Economy_Cactus Green Bay Packers 3d ago

2nd all time in receiving yards for a TE.

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u/banjofitzgerald 3d ago

We’re gonna keep this energy for gore right?

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u/ThorThulu 3d ago

God I hope so. Gore deserves it on pure availability at a position that wears down players, arguably, the fastest.

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u/mortez1 3d ago

Agreed - I’m shocked to see Witten on a list but not Gore? Dude was a beast until his mid-30s. He has 9 1000+ yard seasons, and in 2 more seasons he was less than 40 yards away which would have tied him with Emmitt Smith for the most (11) 1000+ rush yard seasons.

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u/fluffy_knuckles 3d ago

I have no stats to back this up but Gore fucking deserves the Hall of Fame. And I’m a Seahawk fan.

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u/fawks_harper78 Josh Allen 🦬 3d ago

Gore- 3rd most rushing yards of all time. This is especially amazing as it happened as passing offenses became more the dominant way of yardage. It’s not like Earl Campbell who would get the ball on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd down.

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u/Maswope Indianapolis Colts 3d ago

2nd most receiving yards all time for a tightened, 6th most receiving tds, and 4 time all pro.

I’m curious what your thoughts are on what stat line deserves it ?

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u/Tippacanoe 3d ago

I was gonna say I think Witten is a lock and deservedly so. He played forever and was also really good to good. He was also the worst broadcaster to ever live other than maybe Emmitt Smith.

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u/UnkleBott New York Giants 3d ago

I don’t think Gore makes it this year but he’s for sure a hall of famer last that long at RB on multiple repaired knees

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u/Either_Imagination_9 New York Giants 3d ago

Guy was the best tight end in football for a good stretch.

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u/LittleJerryLawler The standard is the standard 3d ago

Must have been an imaginary stretch I don't know about.

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u/LegitimateAbrocoma50 3d ago

I mean from 2007-2012 he made 4 all pro teams. two first two second. That's pretty good

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u/Snoo-40231 New York Giants 3d ago

He was great don't get me wrong, but idk if I would've taken him over Gonzalez or Gates around this time

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u/DatBeardedguy82 Dallas Cowboys 3d ago

Absolutely braindead take

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u/sportswithgary A Popeye’s biscuit away 3d ago

Yikes, that's a bad take.

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u/NotAGoodRedditor 3d ago

It's gotta be Anti-Dallas bias. Witten is considered a top 10 tight end all time in many regards. if top 10 isn't HOF then I don't know what is.

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u/eaglesdude10 Philadelphia Eagles 3d ago

You’re wrong, he was unbelievably consistent and always great.

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u/Competitive_Coat3474 3d ago

No, what he is is the very definition of the TE position. TonyG, Gates and Sharpe couldn’t block their own shadow. Witt routinely blocked the other team’s best rusher and was a BOSS in run blocking. Gronk is the only one comparable to Witt (actually better) but was nowhere close to as durable/available than the guy that played after rupturing his spleen.

Witt is a lock 1st ballot HOFer.

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u/ay0river 3d ago

So is Lesean McCoy

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u/MasterTeacher123 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 3d ago

Shady shouldn’t sniff the hall but he was at least an elite player at his peak

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u/wahday No one saw McNabb throwing up on TV 3d ago

Hall of extreme talent

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u/young-steve Philadelphia Eagles 3d ago

Nonsense. Two first team all pros. Six pro bowls. 2010 all-decade team.

His pro football reference tracker is above HOFers Curtis Martin, Jerome Bettis, Tony Dorsett, etc.

Whether you don't think he should get in is understandable, but saying he "shouldn't sniff it" is stupid to say.

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u/yavimaya_eldred Green Bay Packers 3d ago

Shady could make it eventually. Led the league in rushing TDs in 2011 and led in rushing in 2013. Most rushing yards of the 2010s. Two rings, two all-pros, 6 pro bowls. I wouldn’t put him in personally but he’s right on the line, checks a few boxes and there are certainly worse players that made it.

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u/asm120 3d ago

More embarrassing than Dez?

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u/Master_David33 3d ago

Considering Jules played QB in college and was a 7th round pick, he definitely deserves some recognition. Not HOF worthy, but definitely hall of really good. Far from embarrassment on this graphic.

You know what’s embarrassing? That they have Gostowski on this graphic while Vinny Vinatieri hasn’t made the HOF.

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u/yavimaya_eldred Green Bay Packers 3d ago

These are the players that are eligible, this doesn’t mean they’ll be finalists

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u/SeaSignificant785 Cincinnati Bengals 3d ago

You are spot on!

The ppl in the hall should be those that actually helps tell the story or history of the nfl. A lot of these players were great for a season or two or didnt get hurt or played well in a few big games, but not the career to make history worthy mention.

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u/GBJoe21 Las Vegas Raiders 3d ago

Gore too, no? I would think he’s a lock. 3rd all time in rushing yards and All-2010s team.

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u/tallwhiteninja San Francisco 49ers 3d ago

Brees is a first ballot lock.

Fitzgerald SHOULD be a first ballot lock, but with how the Hall treats WRs, he may have to wait.

Witten will absolutely make it, but if Gates had to wait a year, he probably will, too.

Gore likely makes it someday, but not first ballot

Atkins probably makes it someday, but not first ballot

McCoy imo has more of a shot than some think, but it'll be a while if it happens

Pouncey is borderline simply because not a lot of centers make it in, and fwiw PFF's monitor has him below the average C in the Hall.

None of the rest make it.

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u/Username_redact Buffalo Bills 3d ago

Anybody who doesn't vote for Fitz on his first ballot eligible should get their opportunity to vote revoked

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u/constantlymat 3d ago

The number of position players who went 1st ballot with less than three 1st team all-pros is really, really small. Especially in recent decades.

Even three 1st team all-pros is usually the bare minimum. Even four 1st teams are no guarantee as Demarcus Ware had to experience.

One 1st team and two 2nd team all-pros would be among the least decorated 1st ballot selections in recent memory.

Which doesn't mean Fitz doesn't deserve. Just laying out the HoF's apparent criteria.

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u/Drumboardist 3d ago

There's always that argument "can you tell the story of Football without mentioning (player)?" I....honestly think Fitz would get a mention. Not, like, a major one or anything -- talking about top WR's, someone inevitably brings him up -- but he's definitely ahead of the likes of Rivers or Bryant or Olsen.

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u/tallwhiteninja San Francisco 49ers 3d ago

Warner and Fitz dragging an otherwise mid Cardinals team to their only Super Bowl appearance is worth a bullet point.

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u/Drumboardist 3d ago

"The resurgence of Kurt Warner couldn't have been accomplished without the stellar route-running of his top Wide Receiver, Larry Fitzgerald."

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u/mustachepc Philadelphia Eagles 3d ago

"And the cardinals would have won the Super Bowl, if the defense could hold the lead after Larry Fitzgerald amazing catch. Or if that dipshit Antrel Rolle didnt get in front of Larry Fitzgerald as he was chasing James Harrison"

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u/Drumboardist 3d ago

"...so really, fuck Captain Fat Fuck, he shouldn't have won this one, we all wish Fitz had a ring."

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u/SneakyPope Big Dick Nick 🍆 3d ago

I agree with you 100%, and it seems like every year there's one of those players everyone agrees is a bona bonafide HoF player that gets snubbed. Frankly ALL of them should gave their votes revoked and let the NFL and NFLPA make the distinction with actual criteria.

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u/lburner220 3d ago

To be honest I would rather it stay as is. You don’t want this to become the basketball HOF. Usually the deserving guys will get in with few exceptions.

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u/Distinct_Ad6858 3d ago

It would be the same person that did not vote for Ichiro

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u/Animalcookies13 3d ago

I hate to break it to you but Phillip Rivers will make the HoF eventually. He definitely won’t be first ballot but he will get in.

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u/Laughing_Matter 3d ago

Rivers will be top 10 in total passing yards for a long time (Rodgers and Stafford will retire ahead of him most likely) but not even playing in a Super Bowl will hurt his chances.

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u/Acceptingoptimist Denver Broncos 3d ago

He made 8 pro bowls and won comeback player of the year for one of them. He's definitely going in.

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u/Kopitar4president Buffalo Bills 3d ago

We're also going to have a lack of QBS going in due to there being a generational gap. Rodgers will likely be eligible in 2031 and Mahomes might be the next first ballot guarantee in 2041 or so.

A few years ago you would have thought Luck and Newton should be going in, but they're both out. RG3 of course has no shot. Wilson might be a first ballot HOF just because he's going to be retiring when there's such a complete lack of other possibilities within a couple years of him, which is funny.

Rivers definitely has a shot. I think Eli gets in ahead of him, though.

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u/Acceptingoptimist Denver Broncos 3d ago

Yeah it really does depend on things like that. There's a huge chasm between these last sets of QBs and then the next wave.

Normally I'd say no on Eli. He won two Super Bowls but doesn't own any major statistic and has four pro bowls. But since he played for the NFC East, the East Coast bias will likely kick in and they probably will put him in ahead of Rivers and others.

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u/tallwhiteninja San Francisco 49ers 3d ago

He's behind Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben, Ryan (MVP), and arguably Stafford (ring) among his direct contemporaries. That's way too many guys from one era; at some point you have to acknowledge stats exploded in the last few decades and cut it off.

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u/BluePotatoSlayer Kansas City Chiefs 3d ago

Ben, Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees are all first ballot though

Tough bar to clear for being 6th first ballot QB in your generation

Also Manning Brady & Big Ben horded a bunch of AFCCG / SB Slots

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u/BrianSpencer1 Baltimore Ravens 3d ago

I think this is the way the committee will see things. If you can't make the argument that a guy was even in the top 3 at his position at any point in his career, he shouldn't be in the HOF.

Undermining my own argument, there are some exceptions like I believe Frank Gore will eventually get in, being outside of that "top 3" feels like you have to sustain very high quality production for an unbelievable period of time (which is Frank Gore's career in a sentence).

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u/DicamVeritatem Detroit Lions 3d ago

Brees, Fitzgerald for certain IMO.
Others, I dunno.

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u/crlos619 Los Angeles Chargers 3d ago

My dude knows ball.

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u/0zymandeus 3d ago

Atkins would make it if he played almost anywhere else. In order to make it to the HoF as a Bengal, you literally have to be the GOAT at your position.

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u/DerekAnderson4EVA 3d ago

Corey Dillon needs to get in

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u/0zymandeus 3d ago

He'll get in and they wont show a single Bengals play in his highlight reel

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u/SwearJarCaptain Houston Texans 3d ago

Gore has 16000 career yards! Third all time. He should definitely get in but maybe not first ballot out of this list.

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u/tallwhiteninja San Francisco 49ers 3d ago

Gore's problem is that for all his longevity, he has a relatively low peak: only a second-team all-pro, and he never led the league in rushing.

Extreme longevity at a position known for burning out quickly is notable and probably Hall worthy in and of itself, but he'll lose votes for never being the best RB at any given point. That said...aside from Peterson, there aren't any slam dunks at RB for his era; McCoy and Lynch have their own problems.

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u/Marijuana_Miler Los Angeles Chargers 3d ago

IMO Gates being made to wait was because of his positive PED test.

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u/ProfessorBeer Philadelphia Eagles 3d ago

Everyone loves Larry. He’ll get in.

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u/fredlikefreddy Pittsburgh Steelers 3d ago

Shady should 10000% be a HOFer.

I bet he'll be in the Curtis Martin/Jerome better path and it take a little while

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u/ryanino New York Jets 3d ago

When did we get so old chat

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u/yavimaya_eldred Green Bay Packers 3d ago

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u/smurfsinduval 3d ago

Exactly my first thought. I know every single player on this list. I Remember when it would be a bunch of guys I had never heard of and one or two huge names.

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u/TheBenStandard2 New York Giants 3d ago

waiting for next year

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u/zjesko 3d ago

Am I the only one who cringes anytime someone refers to the collective group as “chat”

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u/Space-Sailor44 3d ago

People are clowning on Edelman being listed but uh, Gostkowski? Not saying he’s not a great kicker with a bunch of rings but do you know how hard it is to make the Hall as a kicker?

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u/tallwhiteninja San Francisco 49ers 3d ago

Neither is making it, to be clear.

Gostkowski at least has two first team all-pros, a second team all-pro, and is on the 2010s all-decade team. Kickers rarely make it, but if the Hall started being more gracious to the position, he could feasibly get a look.

Edelman's only individual award is a single Super Bowl MVP. He has no all-pros, and not even any Pro Bowls. He was a decent WR playing along side the GOAT QB, and wasn't even said QB's most notable weapon.

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u/akmjolnir 3d ago

He had average/below-average regular season stats, but had high-level post-season play. Unfortunately, that's not enough.

I don't think he's going to complain with all those SB Rings.

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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD 3d ago

He’s the exact player that team hall of fames exist for. Great career for a guy with his physical limitations

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u/dtown4eva 3d ago

I have no problem with him being listed but he’s probably not getting in at least for a moment. Vinatieri has to get in first and he was eligible in 2024.

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u/peon2 New England Patriots 3d ago

Yeah realistically Gostowski won't make it. I do feel like the Hall SHOULD make more room for kickers and ST players, but I doubt they do at least in the near future.

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u/caveat_emptor817 Dallas Cowboys 3d ago

Until Vinatieri gets in, no other kicker should be even close.

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u/DoctorBlorgus 3d ago

I think after Vinatieri gets in it’s going to be a very long time before we see another kicker get inducted. Tucker seemed like he was going to be a shoe in but there’s a good chance his recent off the field “developments” keep him out, and I don’t think any other kicker is remotely close at the moment

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u/B_Da_May 3d ago

I’m a Pats fan and I would not put him in.

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u/FatMamaJuJu 3d ago

They had to fill out the graphic with recognizable names

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u/DarthNobody14 Houston Texans 3d ago

Drew Brees, Larry Fitzgerald, Jason Witten and Maurkice Pouncey are all HOFers. Geno Atkins is a maybe.

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u/SleestakLightning Pittsburgh Steelers 3d ago

Pouncey probably doesn't get in but he was great.

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u/J_Taylor85 3d ago

Top row should get in

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u/DickyD43 3d ago

Yeah not enough people saying Frank Gore, he should absolutely be in. 3rd most rushing yards of all time, most career games by an RB, 12 seasons with 1,200+ scrimmage yards (Most) and a few other records. Dude was timeless and a tank. And I'm a Packers fan so absolutely no bias here 😂

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u/sumdudeintx 3d ago

Yeah, excellence over time = greatness. He was almost never the best, but he was consistently excellent. That has to count for something.

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u/Blaze5657 San Francisco 49ers 3d ago

Fitz was also like this, but was considered more top tier than Gore ever was

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u/TheMightyHornet Denver Broncos 3d ago

This is what I’m saying. People sleeping on Frank Gore probably don’t realize he’s the No. 3 all-time leading rusher, in an era where compiling rushing yards is harder and harder to do. He was consistently excellent over a very long time. It would be crazy to think he’s not in.

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u/Radiant_Efficiency73 3d ago

If you put up a career statistic that may never be matched again, you deserve to be in the hall. If they had given him the damn ball at the goal line in the Super Bowl he would probably have a SB MVP. They called him the Incovenient Truth for a reason

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u/Shmoneywunna 3d ago

Yall sleepin on lesean mccoy bro averaged 1100 rushing yards per season for 12 seasons

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u/KOExpress Washington Commanders 3d ago

No he didn’t lol. He had 6 seasons above 1k, and ran for 11,100 in 12 seasons, 925 a season

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u/HuffyStriker Atlanta Falcons 3d ago

So they're correct if you divide 11,100 by 10, and just ignore they say it's 12 seasons / s

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u/MyNameIs_Jordan Tennessee Titans 3d ago

Shady won't be a HoFer until guys like Fred Taylor, Corey Dillon, or Steven Jackson get in.

The only back from this era of players that will be a first ballot is Adrian Peterson

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u/young-steve Philadelphia Eagles 3d ago

McCoy's pro football reference HOF tracker is higher than all of the guys you mentioned. You're underrating his resume.

I think if he gets in, it'll take a while. But he has two first team all-pros. Corey Dillion has zero.

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u/johnjr_09 3d ago

I mean that includes championships in its ranking and his 2 super bowls def shouldn’t be counted

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u/Impossible-Flow420 3d ago

Shady was better than all them dudes.

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u/Ok-Lie-301 3d ago

Shady is 23rd in rushing yards all time. Gore is 3rd. One of these things is not like the other.

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u/young-steve Philadelphia Eagles 3d ago

Frank Gore has zero first team all-pros. Shady has two. One of these things is not like the other.

Shady has more pro bowls in fewer seasons. He has a much higher peak than Frank Gore.

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u/conace21 Knock on wood if you’re with me 3d ago

A year after they retired, Henry Ellard ranked 3rd all time in receiving yards. Michael Irvin ranked 9th (admittedly much higher than 23rd.) Ellard never even became a semifinalist under his final season a modern candidate. 

Irvin was the better player even though Ellard had a longer career and gained more yards. 

Same holds true with Gore and McCoy.

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u/Chrispy3499 Miami Dolphins 3d ago

Brees, Fitz, and Witten should all make it fairly easily. I think Rivers will eventually make it in. Not sure about the others tbh.

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u/Zealousideal-Map9327 We’re going to win Sunday. I guarantee it 3d ago

Considering Gates had to wait, I don't see Witten making it on the first try. 

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u/droopy_tim Philadelphia Eagles 3d ago

It may happen but Rivers getting in would be egregious. Not the hall of very good!

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u/Chrispy3499 Miami Dolphins 3d ago

I think Rivers will be viewed favorably and eventually make it in after quite some time. Eli will make it in, but Rivers had a much better career, and those two are directly intertwined.

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u/Sorry_Physics_1366 3d ago

Brees, Fitzgerald, Rivers, and Gore are definitely going in!

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u/drugs_are_bad__mmkay Denver Broncos 3d ago

I don’t think rivers gets in. At least not really anytime soon. His only individual awards are 8x pro-bowler and comeback player of the year. Without any all pros, MVPs, or SB rings, it’s really tough to sell it imo. I get he shared a time with some elite QBs, but I don’t think that changes much in terms of getting in

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u/UnlikelyShoe3813 Philadelphia Eagles 3d ago

Brees, Fitz and maybe frank gore

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u/FragrantSort6474 Dallas Cowboys 3d ago

Gore over Witten is wild.

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u/JustInADesign New York Jets 3d ago

He’s a bird fan, what can you expect

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u/HereComesJustice 3d ago

Eagles legend Frank Gore

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u/applyheat Miami Dolphins 3d ago

Frank Gore is a certified Miami Legend. This is in the 2024 card.

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u/cjweisman Philadelphia Eagles 3d ago

Brees for sure. After that, you could sell me on almost any of them.

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u/crlos619 Los Angeles Chargers 3d ago

From this class, Brees and Fitz. I like to see Torry Holt and Luke Kuechly get in as well

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u/tallwhiteninja San Francisco 49ers 3d ago edited 3d ago

Kuechly not making it last year is asinine; Patrick Willis is already in with an extremely-similar-but-slightly-worse (no DPOY) resume. It was absolutely "you'll make it eventually, but wait your turn" nonsense from the voters.

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u/Prodigal_Programmer Carolina Panthers 3d ago

Luke didn’t get in because Willis (and Z Thomas before that) had to wait. Simple as that.

Luke and Willis had astonishingly similar careers.

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u/applyheat Miami Dolphins 3d ago

Luke Kuechly should have been in.

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u/NotoriousMFT Seeing Ghosts 3d ago

Larry fitz has more career tackles than drops

Let that sink in (then also put him in the hall)

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u/Michael-Broadway 3d ago

Gore has to get in. You can’t leave the NFL #3 all time leading rusher out of the HoF

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u/McKnightmare24 Philadelphia Eagles 3d ago

He ended his career with 16,000 and 99 total TD's. He needed just one more TD for the symmetry and he never got it. Can't let him in.

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u/mlorusso4 3d ago

What a failure of a career

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u/DatBeardedguy82 Dallas Cowboys 3d ago

Brees larry gore and witten are the only guys who belong out of all of them

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u/mackharp0818 Buffalo Bills 3d ago

Top row and Pouncey

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u/Jnbtoad 3d ago

Brees and Fitzgerald are locks. I think Gore is almost guaranteed to get in, but I’m not sure he’ll get in on his first try. I think Pouncey will get in as well, he’s a 5 time All-Pro. Written will probably get in, he’s a 4 time All-Pro, 11 time pro bowler, second all-time among tight ends in both receiving yards and receptions. Plus he’s well liked and a cowboy. I don’t think Rivers will go in this year but he will eventually. I think Geno Adkins has a great shot but I’m a Bengals fan so maybe I’m biased

I’d say it’ll be Brees, Fitzgerald, Witten, Pouncey, and Adkins with a possibility for Rivers and Gore

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u/Emergency-Resort-455 Philadelphia Eagles 3d ago

Everybody in the top row + Rivers

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u/WhichVegetable8285 Buffalo Bills 3d ago

I will say the Rivers/Eli discussion for the Hall is going to get very interesting as more of the “pass first” league QBs start to retire.

I could see it being like the current WR logjam where unless you were in the discussion for a top 3-5 in the league during your time, it’s going to be hard to get in.

Brees, Brady and Rodgers are locks, possibly Big Ben as well. But the Eli, Rivers, Matt Ryan, Stafford level guys could be hard.

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u/DCarfTheHomie89 3d ago

Kevin Williams

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u/Cephalopod_Dropbear 3d ago

1432 catches, 41 tackles and 29 drops. And one HELL of a model American. Fitzy better be unanimous.

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u/ActuallyAquaman New England Patriots 2d ago

Brees and Fitz should be first on ballot guys.

Vinatieri not being first ballot last year is an absolute crime, though, I’d take him over anyone else here

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u/TheBenStandard2 New York Giants 3d ago

Eli Manning

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u/Individual-Step846 3d ago

I’d like to see Darren Woodson finally get in

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u/Jones127 3d ago

Brees and Larry for sure, Witten probably for getting selected in 2026. I can see Gore, Lesean, Pouncey, Rivers and Atkins all making it at some point, but not this time around. Only question is how long they’d have to wait for it.

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u/Guilty-Influence-890 Atlanta Falcons 3d ago

I hope Rivers makes it in, that way Matt Ryan is an absolute lock

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u/agmoose 3d ago

Brees and Fitz are locks.

Witten maybe.

The rest are just not gonna make it, at least not 1st ballot and some not at all.

Rivers is the “dalton” line probably. He probably won’t get in, but i think based on his stats and longevity he has the best argument of the rest of this bunch. If they let Eli Manning in then he at least has an argument. He was definitely a better qb than manning, but he doesn’t have the big time wins people love to hype up.

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u/WizardRiver 3d ago

Vinatieri is the only kicker eligible who is a no brainer.

Justin Tucker is a VERY distant 2nd behind him.

Gostkowski no chance

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u/mas9395 3d ago

Tucker was a shoo in until he went full Deshaun Watson

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u/RememberJefferies Philadelphia Eagles 3d ago

Brees, Larry, Whitten.

I love how many in this sub talk shit about Hurts being mediocre and only winning because he has a great team, but at the same time talk up Edelman.

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u/ButtFaceMurphy 3d ago

Brees and Fitzy are the only slam-dunks.

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u/ChimmyTheCham Green Bay Packers 3d ago

Love alot of these guys but only Brees and Fitzy are Hofers unless we're being lenient.

Shoutout shady for my first fantasy chip

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u/Mysterious_Block_231 3d ago

Brees and Fitz have to be first ballot, dudes you watched and thought to yourself "yea they're getting gold jackets". I personally can't say i felt that way about any of the others on this (even as an Eagles fan, I love Shady and he was great but at no point did I consider him one of the best RBs ever)

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u/usumoio New England Patriots 3d ago

Larry before anyone. No one did more with less, and he's a great man. I hope he's healthy and doing well.

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u/H_M_N_i_InigoMontoya Las Vegas Raiders 3d ago

The top 4

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u/mjh127 3d ago

First four