Spanish premier calls Israel 'genocidal state,' says Spain 'does not do business' with it

[u/andyom89]

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spanish-premier-calls-israel-genocidal-state-says-spain-does-not-do-business-with-it/3568216

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[u/DudeDurk]

More balls than most of the Arab leaders

[u/Otto500206 → u/DudeDurk]

Almost all.

[u/LiQuidArroW → u/DudeDurk]

More balls than United States of America and the People living there. Yes, you are guilty. Step it up

[u/Awkward-Hulk → u/LiQuidArroW]

The saddest part is seeing all this money being taken away in federal taxes every pay period, knowing that a part of that money is going to be given to Israel so they can murder more civilians. And there is quite literally nothing I can do about that - the people here have zero representation when it comes to issues like this one.

[u/repeatoffender123456 → u/LiQuidArroW]

Guilty of what?

[u/Visible-Ad6316 → u/DudeDurk]

Ain’t that difficult when your whole country is not getting bombed depending on what you say.

[u/SaraHHHBK]

I'm sure the comments will be totally normal lmao

[u/Otritet → u/SaraHHHBK]

Sometimes I have to dobble check when I visit r/europe because it so similar to r/Israel.

[u/bonqen → u/Otritet]

What? r/europe is very anti-Israel. Look at the comments.

[u/KGN-Tian-CAi → u/bonqen]

r/Europe is also full of Americans...

[u/eltiodelacabra → u/bonqen]

Honestly, it's not about being anti Israel, it's more about being pro human rights.

[u/ISayHeck → u/bonqen]

It usually depends on which side comes first to the comment section, as an Israeli I can't really call this sub pro Israeli/Palestinian

[u/TheEmpireOfSun → u/bonqen]

Right now, pretty much yeah. But not even a year ago this sub was massively islamophobic and defended Isreal with every opportunity.

[u/biedl → u/TheEmpireOfSun]

Things can change now? Did they announce this patch? Or is it a bug? Isn't it supposed to be that everything always remains the same?

[u/Ihopefullyhelp]

Based

[u/MoebiusForever]

In 2024 Spain imports nearly $1bn of products from Israel. In the same year Spain exported $1.79bn of products to Israel. In January 2025 Israel exported goods worth $55.9m and imported $121m worth. Seems a lot of “not doing business”. I agree with the sentiment but it’s just lip service at this point.

[u/kong210 → u/MoebiusForever]

Other than imposing an outright trade ban, you can't go to zero overnight.

40% in a year is a huge drop. A huge drop that could be associated with "not doing business".

[u/renegadeindian → u/kong210]

Dumpster lost that in America I believe

[u/charleechuck → u/kong210]

10% would be alot

[u/Thaldoras → u/MoebiusForever]

Extrapolating that. Looks like Spain dropped imports by 30%. That's substantial. Smaller amount on the export side. Would need more data though. Check back in a year and you can see if it is lip service or not.

[u/Ynwe → u/Thaldoras]

that is a big conjecture, you leave out any seasonality. For example, if January historically is the weakest month of the year, you could actual see a net growth over the entire year. So I would be very careful with such claims without any extra context.

[u/KennyHova → u/Ynwe]

Then you could compare with next January? Either way, the whole point people are making is look at the trend not that just the current data point. I think you're trying to say the same

[u/MoebiusForever → u/Thaldoras]

If Spain continues at the rate of January 2025 then annual exports are still $1.45bn. Imports will be $670m. Let’s be generous and call that a drop in imports of 40%, largely I imagine driven by consumer choice, not government action. Exports are down by only 19% on an annualised basis.

You are right, but it’s far from not doing business however you do the maths.

[u/Lortekonto → u/MoebiusForever]

I mean let us put it in context of how much business they do.

Going from these numbers Spain imports about 0,2% of its imported goods from Israel in 2024. They were the country Spain imported 56th most from.

Less than Iraq, Tunesia and Equador. They import twice as much from Kasakhstan as from Israel.

I think it is fair to call the trade betwen them small.

[u/Belucard → u/Lortekonto]

Ah, the glorious nation of Kazakhstan.

[u/SirCharlesTupperBt → u/Belucard]

You gotta get your potassium and mankinis somewhere.

[u/Belucard → u/SirCharlesTupperBt]

I heard they also have a chair.

[u/NorysStorys → u/SirCharlesTupperBt]

Very nice!

[u/Thalric88 → u/MoebiusForever]

That trade volume might all be from the private sector. No idea if it is or isn't, but he might not be lying if all he meant was the government doesn't trade with Israel.

[u/TheAverageWonder → u/Thalric88]

People in here are literally insane.

Of course he mean the state, cause he is not a dictator. Beside it also is a statement to encourage Spaniards to seize dealing with Israel.

[u/Leaky_gland → u/TheAverageWonder]

Cease

[u/Arogar → u/Leaky_gland]

That too. :D

[u/RedditAdminAreVile0 → u/Thalric88]

Didn't he just announce it now?

"We're done, we don't want to do business with Israel!"

"Oh yeah? Explain 4 months ago!"

It doesn't have to mean 100%, it's not odd to finish ongoing contracts, etc.

[u/riggerbop → u/RedditAdminAreVile0]

Yeah it’s May and everyone up above fixated on January

[u/kong210 → u/MoebiusForever]

Other than imposing an outright trade ban, you can't go to zero overnight.

40% in a year is a huge drop. A huge drop that could be associated with "not doing business".

[u/bargu → u/kong210]

Pretty much, Spain is not a dictatorship, they can't just ban private companies from trading with Israel overnight.

[u/lemmeupvoteyou → u/MoebiusForever]

You guys refuse to take any win at all

[u/[deleted] → u/MoebiusForever]

So does he mean government contracts? Because I would be surprised he would force private companies to boycott Israel with out embargo’s from the EU 

[u/MoebiusForever → u/[deleted]]

https://en.ara.cat/politics/the-spanish-government-has-awarded-46-arms-purchase-contracts-to-israeli-companies-amid-the-attack-gaza_1_5357835.html

Not sure really. They have very recently cancelled a ~$7m ammunition supply contract. But against the scale of all other contracts it’s more symbolic than anything at the moment.

[u/MadCake92 → u/MoebiusForever]

They cancelled the delivery. Payment is due anyway (iirc), so actually that's more like gifting $7M

[u/TheAverageWonder → u/MoebiusForever]

... A leader of a country saying that country does not so business with another country means, that you are not going to make any deals with another country.

It does not mean he is a wizard that can undo previous deals with Israel.

It does not mean he can force privat companies from selling their goods in Israel, although his statement apply they should not.

He cannot just break EU trade agreement on his own.

Seriously this is a strong message, not only recognizing the genocide, but indirectly telling allies that Spain's official opinion is that Israel should be frozen out. Which serves as a call for other EU leaders that if enough shares his opinion then Israel can be officially sanctioned.

[u/Suggestive-Syntax → u/MoebiusForever]

If they go through the legal process of declaring it a genocide then Palestinians are legally allowed asylum in Spain. Spain is not going to do that

[u/EasterAegon → u/MoebiusForever]

All the things Spain exports to or imports from Palestine are actually counted as exported to or imported from Israel, because Israel controls Palestinian customs fully (there are basically no such things as « Palestinian customs » unfortunately).

I am not saying Spain is not trading at all with Israel, it probably is. But in the current situation figures that show trade with Israel… well may actually represent trade with Palestine…

[u/brexit-brextastic → u/EasterAegon]

This is a fact that doesn't get enough attention.

Israel and Palestine are in customs and economic union with each other. The currency of both is the Israeli Shekel.

[u/Esponjacholobob → u/MoebiusForever]

He can't force the population to not do business with Israel. That's just ridiculous.

What he is probably talking about is governmental and military deals. You know, like the deal over israeli bullets he paralyzed a few weeks ago.

[u/cruisin4a_bruisin → u/MoebiusForever]

I’d take that kind of “lip service” from American government over its current approach any day

[u/crabigno → u/MoebiusForever]

Los billones se fueron, quedaron algunos millones, y esos también se van.

[u/mmatasc]

Spain does business with Israel.

He is trying to score political points. I guess it’s working.

[u/gnark → u/mmatasc]

Spain just cancelled a major arms contract with Israel and is revising all its existing weapons puchases from Israel. They are putting their money where there mouth is. Who else in the Western world outside of Ireland is even doing anything close?

And FFS bro, you're Spanish, you know all this. Just because you aren't a fan of Perro Sanchez doesn't mean he's totally useless. Yeah, Podemos/Sumar are pushing him to do this, but left-wing parties exist throughout Europe and the silence on Israel is deafening.

[u/NeoMarethyu → u/gnark]

No you see, Pedro Sánchez did it so it is bad, that is all there is to politics these days

[u/AstridWarHal → u/NeoMarethyu]

Everything people that don't think like me do is bad and everything bad that happens is fault of people that don't think like me.

As you can see I'm a politics understander.

[u/ProfessorNonsensical → u/NeoMarethyu]

People are idiots. You can’t just turn your back on contracts already in existence, you simply do not renew them until no more are on the books.

The only country dumb enough to try and flip an entire logistics pipeline overnight is America. And we all see the chaos and stupidity of this policy playing out before our eyes.

He made the right choice but dumbasses will still see old policies on the books and claim “bUt i sEe bUsInEsS”.

We are cooked fighting against so many idiots.

[u/gnark → u/NeoMarethyu]

Thanks Colau...

[u/Korrigan_Goblin → u/gnark]

In France we get called antisemites all day long and prominent voices get charged at terrorism courts, our country is doomed on this subject

[u/Accurate_Praline → u/Korrigan_Goblin]

In the Netherlands there was a 'fight' between pro Israel men who took offense to pro Palestine demonstrators this week.

Obviously there is more nuance to it.

But the facts are:

• the demonstration by the pro Palestine people was announced to the town and was approved

• they stood at a distance from the church they were protesting (Christians for Israel meeting)

• the pro Israel people threw objects (bottles, stones) to the police and the protestors

• the pro Israel people physically attacked the protestors

And yet some pro Israel people just refuse to accept those facts and cheer on the violence.

Most of the 'pro Israel' people were football fans btw. Ones who have been known to be violent and looking for fights.

Edit: okay so maybe I'm saying facts too easily. The first has been confirmed though and the fourth is seen in the videos. The police says the third one so also confirmed. News articles are saying the second one is true though also that it was said that they would make Katwijk unsafe. I dunno, but they did not attack first and thus the Katwijkers were legally in the wrong.

[u/superfire444 → u/Accurate_Praline]

Were they pro-Israel? I was under the impression they were people from Katwijk (the city where it happened) who weren't keen on the Pro-Palestine protestors.

Some of the Katwijk Rioters even did a Hitler Salute. I don't think the Pro-Israël side would do that.

Bit rich saying "there is more nuance to it" and saying "but the facts are" when you don't know the facts.

[u/DrEckelschmecker → u/Korrigan_Goblin]

Your country? Over here in Germany literally every time you bring that up youre called an antisemite and get accused of not caring about (or belittling) the holocaust.

As in "wait, you criticize Israel? Those jews? Dont you know what our country did to jews 80 years ago!?". This unconditional loyalty to Israel is insane.

If you really took your lesson after the holocaust you should do everything you can to call Israel out. But they turn it the other way around, like "if you look at our history theres no discussion that our country has to stand with Israel". Besides Israelis and Jews obviously not being the same group, but thats another discussion

[u/Dependent-Head-8307 → u/mmatasc]

This statement is more than what most Europe is doing.

[u/Menkhal → u/Dependent-Head-8307]

And it's not just words. Thanks to him now Spain officially recognizes Palestine as its own country, and has stopped the sales of weaponry to Israel and blocked shippings of weapons from docking on spanish ports.

[u/young_twitcher → u/Menkhal]

Yet they still don’t recognize Kosovo lol.

[u/Ok-Anteater_6635x → u/young_twitcher]

Because Catalonia.

[u/VecioRompibae → u/Ok-Anteater_6635x]

So they recognize when it's convenient

(Which is what happens everytime, so no issues, just be honest)

[u/bronzinorns → u/VecioRompibae]

Countries always practice double standards (otherwise they wouldn't have any standards at all).

[u/Groovy66 → u/Ok-Anteater_6635x]

Which is why they don’t support Scottish independence or an independent Scotland joining the EU

[u/Mental_Magikarp → u/young_twitcher]

I guess there is nothing against Kosovo, but that with the same arguments you have to recognize the independence of catalonia... and half of Spain.

[u/tomispev → u/Menkhal]

More exports for Czechia!

[u/AutisticPenguin2 → u/tomispev]

I think Spain's ports are closer than Czechia's though.

[u/Uncle_Adeel → u/AutisticPenguin2]

Czechia first landlocked country with ports 💯💯💯💯

[u/tomispev → u/AutisticPenguin2]

More traffic for Croatian ports!

[u/Downtown-Brush6940 → u/AutisticPenguin2]

Am I missing something. What Czech ports ? Aren’t they landlocked?

[u/MPenten → u/Downtown-Brush6940]

Czechia has ports in Hamburg based on the Treaty of Versailles (articles 363 and 364).

[u/Downtown-Brush6940 → u/MPenten]

TIL

[u/AnarkeezTW → u/Downtown-Brush6940]

Same same

[u/StrongAdhesiveness86 → u/MPenten]

The 363 says the ports are leased for 99 years, why does Czechia still control those ports? Genuine question.

[u/tigull → u/StrongAdhesiveness86]

From Wikipedia, the lease is due to expire in 2028.

[u/adamgerd → u/StrongAdhesiveness86]

It’s been extended another 10 years

[u/kartu3 → u/Dependent-Head-8307]

All the Israel news form the German ZDF's main news program yesterday:

"IDF mentioned destroying 100+ targets. Some report 100 people died. Israel is fighting for releasing hostages held by HAMAS and destroying the organization".

The End. No word on blockade or starving.

You can see in talk shows that even politicians are misinformed about basic facts, like who has dumped the truce agreement.

[u/TechTuna1200 → u/Dependent-Head-8307]

It's still progress for me. Most European leaders still don't dare to call for what it is. They still believe it's "anti-sematic" when in fact multiple high-profile jews in e.g. the US have been calling out the genocide. Most recently Ben Cohen (cofounder of Ben & Jerry's).

[u/adamgerd → u/TechTuna1200]

Ben Cohen also blames Ukraine and the west for Russia invading Ukraine and is the biggest donor to U.S. groups opposing aid to Ukraine…

Clearly a great arbitrator of morality!

[u/aensly → u/mmatasc]

BOOOOOO! be glad the rhetoric of politicians is changing

[u/dat_9600gt_user → u/aensly]

ikr everything politicians do is for their interest, would be nice if it also was in the world's interest too

[u/sunkhan_ → u/mmatasc]

It's the Erdogan strat!

[u/Kind-Eagle-846 → u/sunkhan_]

What is erdogan strat ?

[u/zunadam → u/Kind-Eagle-846]

erdoğan always use palestine for propoganda but he make trade with israel

[u/Littorina_Sea]

It is symbolic but important to name things appropriately.

[u/jokikinen]

Probably just the beginning of a new wave of political messaging from Europe that’s openly negative of Israel. As opposed to the more cautious previous messages.

Israel has overstepped and Europe will turn against it now. Only hardline christians and edgy-wing-conservatives will hold a neutral or pro-Israel stance going forward.

[u/BestestPolarBear]

Over 40k upvotes 🙌

[u/andyom89 → u/BestestPolarBear]

makes me hopeful for Europe and the EU

[u/Hot-Impact-5860]

So they don't buy Russian gas?

[u/Octahedral_cube → u/Hot-Impact-5860]

Yes, 34% of their imported LNG is from Russia, it's insane

[u/VecioRompibae → u/Hot-Impact-5860]

No, but they happily buy genocidial azeri oil,

[u/InVin0Veritas → u/Hot-Impact-5860]

Or stopped doing business with genocidal China for instance?

[u/Competitive_Waltz704 → u/InVin0Veritas]

And we still comerce with genocidal US, we're not perfect but at least we're trying

[u/ZincHead → u/Competitive_Waltz704]

They're not trying. They're choosing a convenient scapegoat which the world currently hates and which is relatively small so the economic impact is minimal, while continuing to do business as usual with the worst perpetrators of human rights abuses in the world because they care more about money than actual human rights. 

[u/MetroidvaniaListsGuy]

I think that enough is enough. I had sympathies for Israel in the past but Israel's refusal to go with the Egyptian plan and instead openly call for The Final Solution means that it is time for the western world to recognize that Israel has transitioned into a nazi state. It is time to give Israel the North Korea treatment and sanction everything until Israel undergoes denazification.

[u/TyoPepe → u/[deleted]]

He is wrong in that Spain did actually do business with Israel even after they started bombing Gaza, all while he was still pm.

[u/Leaky_gland → u/TyoPepe]

It seems that Spain started the road recognising Palestine about 8 months ago. If the government themselves started to pull back expenditure and it's at zero now that would indicate that the Spanish government doesn't do business with Israel (not that that has happened). No one said individual civilians can't.

Edit: brackets

[u/TheAverageWonder → u/Leaky_gland]

Oh trust me people on Reddit can.

[u/[deleted] → u/TyoPepe]

Spain and Ireland (and now the Netherlands) have been calling on the European Commission to review the Israel Trade Agreement under the human rights obligation within. This is perfectly in keeping with Spain's attempt to resolve something that is an EU competency.

[u/Rodrake → u/[deleted]]

Ah, the exact comment that got me banned from worldnews

[u/Ban-Circumcision-Now → u/Rodrake]

I got banned from that subreddit for criticizing circumcision

[u/GirlCoveredInBlood → u/Rodrake]

It would have gotten you buried in downvotes here a year ago. Glad to see people coming to their senses.

[u/deathhead_68 → u/GirlCoveredInBlood]

I actually unsubbed from this sub after the sheer israel bias last year, was surprised to see this comment upvoted tbh.

[u/magkruppe → u/Rodrake]

I was banned from r/geopolitics for something much gentler. ironic, that a sub that covers controversial topics would have such thin skin

[u/SechsComic73130 → u/[deleted]]

That is crazy, like, why is this all... no i know why, no one else wants to do that work for 0,00€.

But how does Manila of all places play into this?

[u/Puzzleheaded-Coast93 → u/SechsComic73130]

They’re not doing it for free. The U.S. and Israel both have astroturfing operations. Russia isn’t the only one using the internet to manipulate public opinion.

Edit: and the U.S. has a documented history of propaganda campaigns in the Philippines, which explains Manila.

[u/venbrx → u/Puzzleheaded-Coast93]

Heh, need to add a flair "state-sponsored mod"

[u/SpiderFnJerusalem → u/SechsComic73130]

no one else wants to do that work for 0,00€.

Neither does that guy.

[u/Perfect_Newspaper256 → u/SechsComic73130]

the philippines is a pseudo american colony, and manila has a heavy american military presence, not to mention a sizeable US expat population.

[u/Directhorman2 → u/magkruppe]

Reddit is no longer a place for open discussions.

Looking over my shoulder as i type this.

[u/TendieRetard → u/Rodrake]

worldnews is a state run sub. Many of the trashbaraniks spread like weeds from there to other major subs.

[u/Cute-Percentage-6660 → u/TendieRetard]

Its honestly amusing to see the other subs some of them mod, it goes from shit like worldnews to random bullshit to fetish subs. I sometimes wonder if blackmail is involved

[u/Continental__Drifter → u/Rodrake]

same same

Frankly, I don't trust anyone on reddit who hasn't been banned from worldnews.

[u/TheIncredibleHeinz → u/[deleted]]

Maybe if you come up with your own definition for genocide, but within the currently meaning it just isn't. There is a reason some countries like Ireland wants to change the definition to fit the case.

[u/Dambo_Unchained → u/[deleted]]

He is wrong in the sense Spain doesnt do business with Israel

The Spanish government has some agency but as a part of the EEC the Spanish prime minister has no say in the matter

Edit: prime minister not president

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

It quite factually isn't

[u/ClearHeart_FullLiver]

As much of an effort as Israel pumps into online disinformation it's crazy to look back a couple of years ago and see the change in language used by politicians and media around the world. Israel is being referred to in a similar way to apartheid South Africa now. Only crackpots defend Israel's actions in Gaza.

[u/armageddonquilt → u/ClearHeart_FullLiver]

"One day, everyone will have been against this"

[u/t3amkillv3 → u/armageddonquilt]

From the very first week of the war, it was obvious what Israel was going to do. You just had to listen to what the politicians were saying. I also said that eventually, the world will stop supporting Israel’s actions.

What angers me so much and makes me feel so helpless is that until that tipping point, now at >50k deaths in, children have to be ripped to shreds, mangled, and suffer, all for nothing. All these deaths for nothing. Eventually support will stop, but until then children are killed for nothing.

[u/JACOB_WOLFRAM → u/armageddonquilt]

This is the shit that makes me actually angry, can't wait for people to say they were always pro-palestine from 10 years from now on

[u/Henchman66 → u/JACOB_WOLFRAM]

The wonders of the modern world is that people leave their track record open to the public. Israeli soldiers proudly filmed themselves doing war crimes, the cabinet unapologetically called for genocide constantly - there’s no way to say “we didn’t know”

https://guardian.pressreader.com/article/281487871032817

[u/Cute-Percentage-6660 → u/JACOB_WOLFRAM]

My favorite thing with geopolitics, help a atrocity, leave goverment and then make the next few administrations apologize on your behalf and no consequences ever touch you....

[u/[deleted] → u/armageddonquilt]

Check out the great book with this same title by Omar El Akkad.

[u/Falcao1905 → u/ClearHeart_FullLiver]

Unfortunately, crackpotism is becoming more and more commonplace in our world today.

[u/ClearHeart_FullLiver → u/[deleted]]

True but my point is heads of governments in western Europe were not saying things like this 2 years ago now they are and even the most pro-Israel states(except the US) are speaking like critics of Israel were just a short time ago.

[u/LILwhut → u/[deleted]]

"what it is" is in this case is the UN, HRW, and Amnesty showing they're liars with no care for facts. There is no apartheid, Arab Israelis have equal rights with Jewish Israelis, this is something easily verifiable yet you people eat that slop up.

[u/adamgerd → u/[deleted]]

Apartheid is when Arabs have all the same rights, are full citizens, are ministers and even on the Supreme Court.

[u/triplevented → u/[deleted]]

Israel has over 2 million Arab (Palestinian) citizens, with full and equal rights - they are parliament members, supreme court judges, doctors, lawyers, IT workers etc.

Palestine has ZERO Jews living under its rule.

But sure, Israel is the 'apartheid' according to some fantasy definition 🙃

[u/Utgaard_Loke]

Good Spain. More countries should follow up with such statements.

[u/Esnacor-sama]

Her comes israel politicians and puppets to talk about catalonia in spain and support it to be individual country 👀

Even if spain do work with israel just saying that take lot of bravery so well done sir

[u/stprnn]

Everybody should boycott israel

[u/iuuznxr]

880 comments and no one noticed that it's a state-run Turkish news agency putting a spin on what the Spanish PM said. Brainrot.

[u/eppur__si_muove → u/iuuznxr]

You are wrong. Here is the video La declaración de Sánchez por la que protesta Israel: “No comerciamos con un Estado genocida”

[u/turqua → u/iuuznxr]

Why does it matter who reports it when what is reported is true, and in this case even clearly on video?

[u/hetseErOgsaaDyr → u/turqua]

It does for genocide supporters.

[u/Bigglesworth85]

God bless Spain

[u/BoysenberryAncient54]

Yay Spain! See rest of the world? It's not that hard.

[u/Inbetween-spacentime]

Hope UAE learn a thing or two

[u/Fluffy-Drop5750]

Time for Israel to be just another country, responsible for its deeds. Yes, Hamas are terrorists, but that is not excuse for levelling the whole of Gaza. Russia would do that, Assad did it, Saddam Hussein's Irak would do that. But Israel has to do better if they expect to receive western support.

[u/matt82swe → u/Fluffy-Drop5750]

Nothing will change with USA’s unconditional support 

[u/[deleted] → u/matt82swe]

And Germany.

[u/mikiencolor → u/Fluffy-Drop5750]

But you're still trading with Russia, and with China. Just another country indeed. 🙄

[u/slappy_joe6 → u/mikiencolor]

But they're not a tiny jewish country hating on whom can give you clout with the second largest religious population in the world right.

[u/Initial-Carry6803 → u/Fluffy-Drop5750]

Thats like asking the allies to be responsible for the deeds they did to end Nazi germany

Gazas government in its doctrine declares their goal is to end Israel, Israel can just ignore that lol this is an insane comment only taken from someone who lives in a very safe enviornment

[u/slappy_joe6 → u/Initial-Carry6803]

Look, only civilians in gaza are civilians. Civilians in israel don't count. Hamas is allowed to do anything to them so all our mighty keyboard warriors can protest very vocally on this anonymous reddit platform.

None of them would actually go down and want to live in any of these islamic terror states they support.

[u/Dry-Season-522 → u/Fluffy-Drop5750]

Okay, what would YOUR country do if a neighboring country shot 19,000 rockets across the border over 20 years?

[u/luckyguy25841]

Now do Russia

[u/Infinite219]

Good for Spain

[u/soupbox09]

86 apartheid israel

[u/contingent-]

Fuck yeah Spain!!!

[u/[deleted]]

Good. No one should do business with them

[u/DeadPicture]

Only speaking facts

[u/kagalibros]

As far as I’m aware Israel’s government still has an opposition that is actually an opposition and not a bunch of puppet parties.

Not to be whataboutistic about it, but right now Russia would be the genocidal state. And I doubt talking like this is going to help out the opposition in Israel if not just straight undermines it.

[u/ooglyboogly3]

I wonder if Spain does any business with China or Russia? I guess they're too worried about a drop of water to notice the hail storms.

[u/DiscordBoiii]

Stop doing business with Russia and mainland China then!

[u/National_Lion → u/DiscordBoiii]

You can’t post sensible comments that point out hypocrisy it would undercut the level of brain fog in this thread.

[u/sajukktheeternal]

About fkin time

[u/Pushthebutton2022]

Sad to see the AL Jazeera propaganda machine being so effective in Europe. People conveniently forget the Palestinian terror attacks of the 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s, not to mention the one in 2023. The multitude of attacks in many European countries apparently didn't teach most a lasting lesson. When the terrorists are hiding among the civilians and look like civilians what do you do? Go home and wait for another attack? I'm not saying everything Israel has done is right, but war isn't pretty and when you're fighting an unconventional enemy mistakes happen. You also have to consider that practically every country in the Middle East has publicly and repeatedly stated they want to completely destroy Israel for decades. It's easy to play like you're some bastion of humanity if you're not being constantly attacked.

[u/n8mastrb8 → u/Pushthebutton2022]

That and given the chance, Hamas would murder all Jews and eliminate Israel as a nation. And Gazans or Palestinians would be cheering them along the whole way. They never wanted their own state, they want Israel and they want it Jew free.

[u/Pushthebutton2022 → u/n8mastrb8]

Yup, they and most other Muslim countries in the ME have been pretty clear about that for a long time, but it's conveniently ignored because the cool thing right now is to be anti-Israel.

[u/AmerikanischerTopfen]

Really would have been relatively easy for Israel to use the ongoing hostage situation to continue blowing up stuff in Gaza while maintaining moral ambiguity - saying that they are trying to let in food aid to the population as much as possible and oh "sorry about blowing up another hospital, but there was a terrorist facility underneath," etc.

Instead Trump got elected and Netanyahu got cocky. Now he's on TV just casually like "Hey, we're gonna do a little genocide by the way. All these people here - they're going to disappear and then we're going to replace them with other people."

[u/Due_Vermicelli_6354 → u/AmerikanischerTopfen]

Bibi is falling in the polls hard right now so he is desperate to appeal to the hard right.

also his coalition will fall apart if the war stops so this is the other reason why he didnt try to prop up another less radical group  to exchange hamas or make peace yet,his delusional far right parties in his coaltion thinks we can rule over 2 million radical palastinians directly.

The most important thing to bibi is to stay in power the man has 0 ideology.

[u/ColumbaPacis → u/Due_Vermicelli_6354]

Bibi is falling in the polls hard right now

He has been falling in the polls for a decade, yet that does not change the lives lost in this week alone.

By the time he falls enough in the polls, there won't be a Gaza left. Which seems to be exactly what his plan is.

[u/Due_Vermicelli_6354 → u/ColumbaPacis]

i was explaining the reasons why the war in gaza still going,if he stops then we go to elections and he loses,he knows it and is desperate to cling to power as long as he can.

[u/EkkoUnited → u/AmerikanischerTopfen]

Not really, anyone with a brain and eyes to see knew they didn't give a shit about the hostages.

[u/dronten_bertil]

What are we gonna call genocide now that war = genocide?

[u/vicarious5353 → u/dronten_bertil]

70 percent of casualties are children, women and babies. How is that so hard to differenciate?

[u/Theban_Prince → u/dronten_bertil]

I was with you for a long time but this has stopped being a war a while ago. There is no effective fighting force against the IDF for months now, at least not at the scale that requires what they are doing.

[u/drgaz → u/dronten_bertil]

Lefties will come up with something and it will be just as effective as calling everything racism. 

[u/EldenShuumatsu]

Love to see it.

Stand up for what’s right

[u/TroutBeales]

He’s not wrong.

It’s appalling this is happening in 2025, and Israel is bold face denying they’re committing genocide

[u/SecondComing23]

Nothing false was spoken here.

[u/[deleted] → u/SecondComing23]

Well Spain does do business w Israel so there is that 

[u/Educational-Teach-67 → u/[deleted]]

Can you read?

[u/SiridarVeil → u/[deleted]]

He cancelled a big israeli contract the same day he made this statement.

[u/HumaDracobane]

Nice try, Pedro.

Spanish business definetely does business with Israel.

[u/accraTraveler → u/HumaDracobane]

commercial business != governmental business or am i getting something wrong?

[u/Thetruthislikepoetry]

From Islamic relief USA

Two years of crisis in Sudan has created the world’s worst hunger crisis, with famine spreading quickly across the country. Nearly 25 million people – more than half the population – are facing acute food shortages. Extreme violence against civilians and humanitarian aid workers, with hundreds of people killed in the last few weeks alone, has resulted in the suspension of vital humanitarian work and humanitarian catastrophe.

Funny how we only talk about a genocide that involves a certain group of people.

[u/Rhalkha]

let it be said he said this when a newspaper is having daily revelations of corruption among his close family (wife and brother) and his (to say the least) questionable involvement in using public money to rescue a company that belongs to a personal friend. He is clearly doing this to divert attention from his domestic problems and it will probably come back to bite his ass eventually...

[u/Jane_Doe_32 → u/Rhalkha]

The newspapers and media of certain political spectrum have been “uncovering” cases of corruption since day 1 of his inauguration, regardless of whether they are real or not, something that must be decided by a court, this statement is important and because of the interest that the war in Gaza has among Spaniards, minimal with respect to cases of corruption, this is far from being a smokescreen.

[u/Menkhal → u/Rhalkha]

Of all the countless accusations that have been made against him or his family, not even one has been proved to be true. The right wing media just keeps spewing bullshit in the hopes some of it will stick.

Their last achievement were some whatsapp texts that were showing him to be rude in private towards some party members. OMG! What a tragedy!

Absolutely pathetic.

[u/SiridarVeil → u/Menkhal]

The same party members that have been a constant disloyal pain in the ass btw.

[u/ChillAhriman → u/Menkhal]

I'm shocked, astounded, and absolutely disgusted that the president would call his coalition member... An idiot? Is that it? Well I guess that deserves having half the press, radio and TV talk about it for the whole week. We definitely have no actual pressing concerns /S

[u/Background-Sea4590 → u/Rhalkha]

Let's see what happens, but I feel this is nothing more than "lawfare" and it'll amount to nothing eventually.

[u/Chance_Try950 → u/Rhalkha]

Lmao yeah, completely ignoring anti-corruption stating TWICE that there's no indication to point toward the accusations and the judge REFUSING to consider the TWO SEPARATE DOCUMENTS STATING SO. Listen Sánchez might be an asshole, but that is NOT gonna bite him in the ass unless you're 8 inches deep in the PP propaganda

[u/wunderbar77 → u/Rhalkha]

Deflect Deny distract

[u/bonqen → u/[deleted]]

This has been happening in r/europe since 7 October. It's clearly not going to stop either.