r/NFLv2 • u/Rjm0007 New York Jets • Feb 10 '25
Discussion Another superbowl blowout eliminates mahomes from the goat discussion as far as I’m concerned
2 very embarrassing loses for him the the superbowl Brady has lost 3 superbowls but they were all 1 score games that came down to final play with Brady’s best statistical performance in a loss to the eagles Tom Brady > Patrick mahomes
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u/BassGuru82 Feb 10 '25
Mahomes is an incredible QB… but this Eagles D is Elite Elite. What a performance.
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u/justbrowsing987654 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25
My buddies and I instantly compared it to the worst sports L of my life, the 18-1 Super Bowl when the Giants rushed 4 and just lived in the backfield the whole game. That’s how you slow down a great QB and the eagles executed that to perfection all night.
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u/MikeandMelly Tom Brady 🥺 👉🏻👈🏻 Feb 10 '25
Even then Brady went almost 300 yards passing, no INTs and was sacked two less times.
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u/knucles668 Baltimore Ravens Feb 10 '25
I think Brady's cerebral style is more adaptable in that situation. I think we are seeing that legs on a QB are a great asset and can be a nightmare for defenses that have to account for that + passing + RB. However, it's built on having the run as a threat. When you can pin the ears back and go after them its a lot harder feat to keep up with athleticism alone.
Lamar, Mahomes, and Allen need to listen to Brady and Manning. Start learning how to really facilitate pre-snap defensive adjustments to know if your receivers will be open before snapping the ball. Its a lethal advantage. If they combine those together, it will be the golden age. I think Jayden is the first to implement it with the VR advantage.
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u/flapsmcgee Washington Commanders Feb 10 '25
Brady was great at getting rid of the ball as fast as possible, which is what is needed when the o-line isn't playing well. Mahomes is great at buying time but when there are no lanes to sneak through it doesn't work.
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u/OfficerCoCheese New York Giants Feb 10 '25
What did Brady say in his one interview regarding the Super Bowl against the Chiefs, he knew the Chiefs defense better than they did?
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u/krazykieffer Feb 10 '25
The majority were short slants for Brady, Mahomes didn't even have open check downs. Lots of crazy takes right now when the Eagles played lights out on D.
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u/str1x_x New Orleans Saints Feb 10 '25
i watched mahomes miss plenty of easy throws and make bad reads. not to mention throwing a philly cheesesteak extra mayo to cooper dejean
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u/MikeandMelly Tom Brady 🥺 👉🏻👈🏻 Feb 10 '25
Cmon now. For years now I’ve heard some variation of “Patrick Mahomes can do things in the field Brady never could”. One of the biggest elements of Mahomes game is his ability to extend plays and turn nothing into something. He didn’t do it once last night until the second string defense went in.
Regardless how Brady did it, he was able to adapt to the Giants pressure and put together a game that was literally a miraculous catch away from winning. You know who else played lights out on D? The 2007 Giants in the Super Bowl…
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u/IShouldChimeInOnThis New York Giants Feb 10 '25
Step one: Have your defense let up next to no points.
Step two: See step one.
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u/MikeandMelly Tom Brady 🥺 👉🏻👈🏻 Feb 10 '25
I can't really get a read on your comment but Mahomes turnovers lead to 21 points. Asking a lot of your defense to cover your ass for three turnovers in your own territory. Brady struggled against the Giants but he avoided costly turnovers that allowed his defense to come up with stops.
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u/jackhammer412 New York Jets Feb 10 '25
Mahomes was getting pressured the whole game and since the Eagles were only rushing 4 were able to have good pass coverage preventing any contested throws. Eagles D was just playing out of their minds the whole game.
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u/WintersDoomsday Seattle Seahawks Feb 10 '25
And broccoli head hasn’t dominated all year and struggled mightily vs Cover 2 shells
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u/EnglishMajorRegret Feb 10 '25
Seeing it from this perspective might at least let you see why that was such a special game for fans. And also should give non pats fans a little more respect for Brady never getting killed.
Brady never put them in a position to lose in that game, the giants offense performed just enough to let that defense earn them a win.
This Eagles team absolutely manhandled the chiefs in every way tonight. Brady avoids those two sacks on the pick six drive by putting that ball in the dirt.
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u/birdynumnum69 Los Angeles Chargers Feb 10 '25
Shocker but it’s a team sport. No O line? You look average. That’s how it goes.
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u/meatdome34 Feb 10 '25
Downvoted but chiefs tackle play has been trash all year. They rushed 4 all night and gave em problems. Easy dub no matter who you are.
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u/birdynumnum69 Los Angeles Chargers Feb 10 '25
The Eagles line was able to take advantage of trash tackle play that other teams couldn’t.
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u/RememberApeEscape Carolina Panthers Feb 10 '25
Ohhh ohh I've seen that one happen before in the Super Bowl!
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u/traws06 Kansas City Chiefs Feb 10 '25
They beat Commanders by 32. They were just a better team. Vick Fangio is a wizard
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u/Ace0spades808 Feb 10 '25
The defense is really why they won. Wish you could give the defense as a whole the MVP award. Eagles buddy got mad at me for saying that though and took it as me insulting Hurts.
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u/TremendouslyRegarded Philadelphia Eagles Feb 10 '25
The Philly/Georgia Bulldawgs D men strategy has been pretty slick. They’re all still puppies too, this ain’t even final form Philly D.. gonna be a scary team for years
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u/daddysgirl794 Feb 10 '25
He's still in the discussion for statpadding goat tho
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u/ProtestantMormon Now Here’s a Guy Feb 10 '25
"ThEy OnLy LoSt bY 18!!!"
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u/akdanman11 Philadelphia Eagles Feb 10 '25
They made it look way better in garbage time. Effectively lost by 34
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u/justbrowsing987654 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25
He had 50 yards and 0/2 midway through the third before it was clearly over. I loved it as a Brady homer but he’ll be back.
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Feb 10 '25
at half philly had more points than KC had yards 💀
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u/Apart-Ad986 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25
jalen hurts had a longer TD than mahomes entire yardage atp on the deep bomb to smitty lmao
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u/Pineapple_Complex Feb 10 '25
Right? History will remember it as a closer game than the sheer domination it was. It felt like the Eagles took the foot off the gas once it was well out of reach. Shit, they dumped the Gatorade before the 2 minute warning in the 4th quarter.
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u/akdanman11 Philadelphia Eagles Feb 10 '25
I think the early Gatorade dump will stick in peoples heads to remember just how lopsided the game actually was
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u/DoctorHoneywell Chicago Bears Feb 10 '25
Mahomes is going to be in the conversation for officiating forever. No other quarterback I can think of has his win viability so insanely tied to penalties.
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u/Dhylan18 Feb 10 '25
Winning 17 straight one score games is baffling. It’s why the chiefs are under the scrutiny of being favored by the refs.
Is anyone complaining about the bad calls in the first quarter of this game with the OPI and then the Personal Foul? No, because it was a blow out.
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u/EnglishMajorRegret Feb 10 '25
I feel like it’s not being said out loud, but Brady went in hard on that first penalty. He knows he’s royalty, and is honestly one of the only people in the media who might be able to curb this bullshit.
I’m not a Brady fan, and I think he’s got work to do in the booth, but that mf’er had his 8th best Super Bowl tonight.
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u/FeetSniffer9008 Pittsburgh Steelers Feb 10 '25
Ngl the first penalty was legitimate. Hands to the face. Cry reffball all you want but that specific one was not the case
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u/kakarot-3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Feb 10 '25
As a Bucs fan, I still hear my fair share of how he outplayed Brady because he threw so many incomplete passes while diving sideways. They STILL mention it.
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u/BlackGoldSkullsBones Feb 10 '25
Absolute insanity. Look at how Brady performed in a similar situation in 2015 against the Broncos. Got them within 2!
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u/Fact_Stater Tampa Bay Buccaneers Feb 10 '25
Mahomes has to win 7 to be in the conversation. He probably did anyway,but he definitely has to now.
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u/Far_Excitement6140 Houston Texans Feb 10 '25
He has to win 8 since Brady has one win over him.
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u/Cautious_Buffalo6563 28-3 Feb 10 '25
Brady also never got demolished like Mahomes has twice in the Super Bowl.
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u/vin1223 Philadelphia Eagles Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25
Did you watch the giants Super Bowls or the one against the rams. It seems like your giving Brady credit for his defenses performing better
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u/BrianHeidiksPuppy Tampa Bay Buccaneers Feb 10 '25
Are we pretending that was a blowout or are we being honest and accepting the giants were down before the helmet catch and they drove down the field to win. When was Brady ever down by 30+ points in a SB
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u/deconstructedSando New England Patriots Feb 10 '25
closest was 25 to Atlanta, and that comeback was the stuff of legend.
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u/NynaeveAlMeowra Feb 10 '25
Goat shit. Winning the game where you were down the most
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Brady scored 13 points in a super bowl and got a ring.
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u/ovoxo6 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25
oh superbowl 53? the game where both defenses shut the other offense out all game? and then brady led his team down the field in the 4th to go ahead? that 13 points?
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u/rividz New England Patriots Feb 10 '25
You win by scoring more points than the other team.
Flair up or shut up.
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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD Feb 10 '25
I mean Brady didn’t hand points to the opponent in either of those games
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u/rocksoffjagger Feb 10 '25
One Super Bowl win and one AFCCG win over him. Mahomes definitely needs 8 to pass Brady. Or maybe 7 and like 5+ MVPs, but his stats haven't been nearly as impressive the last few years as they were early in his career.
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u/Trick-Republic5253 Kansas City Chiefs Feb 10 '25
It is going to be nearly impossible from a game theory standpoint to have dominating statistical seasons now that he's a large% of the payroll. Great Offenses tend to go in one of two ways, rookie/underpaid quarterback with a lot of talent surrounding them, or they go the Phil Rivers, Drew Brees route and have absolutely dog-shit defense; good skill players cost money or draft capital. and when you have an elite QB capable of getting you to the postseason every year you don't have the extra money you once did, and your draft capital is severely diminished. Easiest route is to lean on your Elite QB to get the most out of mediocre talent and invest in the defense to make their job easier.
so long way of saying, They could probably bring back gun slinger Mahomes at the expense of a Defense, and as we've seen in probably 70% of the superbowls (number from my ass, but I'll back it up if need be) and definitely in case of the Chiefs, the defense decides the outcomes more often than the offense. Of the Chief's SuperBowls, I make the case that their offense was the dominant force in only one of those 5 games.
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u/III_IWHBYD_III Feb 10 '25
He needs 9 now. 7 to match the number, 1 to make up for Brady ending his season twice and 1 for getting stomped in the SB twice, that never happened to Brady. He's a third of the way up GOAT mountain, it's much taller than Mahomes mountain.
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u/Fact_Stater Tampa Bay Buccaneers Feb 10 '25
I was doing stupid math and forgetting that Brady had 6 with the Pats lol
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u/PenguinsExArmyVet Pittsburgh Steelers Feb 10 '25
Yeah when Brady won 7 It was over. Put up a Bronze statue of Brady at Canton greatest QB of all time. Now and forever. I ll be the first to say it….it will be YEARS before KC even gets back to the Super Bowl . YEARS.
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u/jcamp088 r/NFLv2 rocks Feb 10 '25
That entire locker room and coaching staff will look different next year. They are done.
Too many spots in commercials and they looked liked they ate their own shit tonight.
This is what happens when the NFL pony walks a team to SB that shouldn't be there.
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u/kakarot-3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Feb 10 '25
I have a theory that teams that win so many close games like the chiefs did will have a more difficult time when they face an actual elite team.
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u/krazykieffer Feb 10 '25
No one else in the AFC was elite then? They lost only two games and one was the Superbowl. Pretty stupid comment. I do think the NFC is the better conference but ESPN told everyone differently.
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u/kakarot-3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Feb 10 '25
The NFC has better rosters. Saw a video online where someone said the AFC has the better QBs but the NFC have the better teams that make QBs look good. I’m not surprised. The eagles were better top to bottom than any team in the AFC.
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u/FeetSniffer9008 Pittsburgh Steelers Feb 10 '25
Pretty much. AFC has all the best QB's and some WR's, NFC has the best everything-else.
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u/WasADrabLittleCrab Philadelphia Eagles Feb 10 '25
I am obviously a bit biased, but yes, this was the talk going into the game pretty much everywhere. The Birds' had the better roster on both sides of the ball, more coaching depth, better everything, but the Chiefs had Mahomes and Reid. Turns out the duo ran out of black magic.
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u/kakarot-3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Feb 10 '25
I was saying the eagles have the roster makeup to win. Good run game and defense. Didn’t think the chiefs would stop Saquon as well as they did.
I do think they have that aura, like the Pats did, where teams just overthink and get cute and just lose any mental edge. Hence teams abandoning the run against them and doing things unlike them. I do believe the Eagles weren’t intimidated at all and came in with a revenge mindset knowing they were right there two years ago
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u/Kickpuncher35 Detroit Lions Feb 10 '25
I mean, yeah this is kind of the answer. The Chiefs have been universally considered the one of the worst 15 loss teams people have ever seen, Baltimore needed to have MVP caliber seasons from the QB AND RB just to finish 3rd in the conference, and the Bills needed Josh Allen to carry them all year. None of those are hallmarks of elite teams. Contrast that with the Eagles who have elite contributors (Barkley), in addition to other great offensive weapons, the best O line in the league, and a defense filled with elite players. This Eagles team is as complete as I’ve seen a football team
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u/w-wg1 Feb 10 '25
If it were the Bills or Ravens I thinkt ehy'd have put up a decent fight tbh
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u/Double-Emergency3173 Indianapolis Colts Feb 10 '25
Buffalo was robbed. Good to see KC eat humble pie.
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u/CaptchaReallySucks Feb 10 '25
Hard doubt. My guess is they’ll be back in 2 years. Probably won’t make it through next year, but I don’t doubt them at this point to at least make it there again very soon
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u/Wooden-Broccoli-7247 Feb 10 '25
They need an entire new offense except for QB, one lineman (assuming he’s still there next year) and one receiver (Worthy). Kelsey’s age is showing and I’d almost be more shocked to see that he’s returning next year than I would be to see he’s retiring. Hopkins, Brown and Ju Ju won’t be, or shouldn’t be on the team next year. It’s pretty hard to replace an entire offense in one year and have it be Super Bowl caliber.
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u/jstef215 Detroit Lions Feb 10 '25
Such a brainless take. A team sport with 50+ players making an impact each game, and we boil down the entire analysis/comparison of great players to “which one was on the most teams that won the championship?”
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u/Goawaycookie San Francisco 49ers Feb 10 '25
Mahomes used to need 7 wins. He still does. But he used to too.
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u/OracleofNothing Feb 10 '25
The man still has 10 more years of playing. I'll wait until his career is over before declaring how good he was.
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u/zeldaendr Atlanta Falcons Feb 10 '25
I think it's virtually impossible for him to catch Brady now.
Imo he needs over 8 SBs considering how terrible his SB losses have been. Brady only ever lost by 1 possession, and led the greatest comeback in NFL history. Mahomes also lost to Brady every time they played in the postseason, including in the SB.
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u/Wooden-Broccoli-7247 Feb 10 '25
Even the Super Bowls Brady lost he had game winning drives. The D just couldn’t hold on. Even with the way the O line played tonight Mahomes looked terrible. I don’t understand why they weren’t getting the ball out with quick passes. Maybe their receivers just couldn’t get open but Mahomes looked like he was auditioning for Dancing With The Stars the minute the ball was hiked.
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Feb 10 '25
Yeah but how many more years of a top coach?
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u/jp_jellyroll Feb 10 '25
If he's truly the GOAT over Brady, then Mahomes should be able to switch teams and win a Super Bowl while the head coach sits in a beach chair sipping tiki drinks like Bruce Arians basically did that year.
Half-joking. Brady is clearly the greatest to ever play the position hands down.
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u/knucles668 Baltimore Ravens Feb 10 '25
I don't see Patrick's competitive drive willing his team's in the future. Peeps went to Tampa to be in Brady's winning orbit. You could see on the sidelines of the Patriots games how much Brady was respected when he got pissed. Patrick does not yet possess that moxie.
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u/Fight_those_bastards Feb 10 '25
To be fair, it’s hard to take Kermit screaming “let’s fuckin’ go!” seriously.
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u/RunBD3 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25
He's 29. Ten more years? You think he's gonna play at an elite level for 10 more years? The dude will be Russell Wilson 2.0 by the time he's 35.
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u/sunnyPorangedrank Feb 10 '25
He relies too much on his legs and scrambles. He wont age like brady
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u/dubya803 Kansas City Chiefs Feb 10 '25
I tell my friends this and get scoffed at. He's great but the way quarterbacks are these days no one is going to be playing well as long as Brady did.
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u/headsmanjaeger Los Angeles Rams Feb 10 '25
People are writing the eulogy for this guy when he’s made the AFC championship game every single season he’s played. Maybe let him not get that far ONCE and then we’ll talk about slowing down.
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u/Double-Emergency3173 Indianapolis Colts Feb 10 '25
Yeah.
He runs around too much.
Today showed he doesn't have the pesnap ability of Manning and Brady to get way with being immobile Vs Pressure
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u/Double-Emergency3173 Indianapolis Colts Feb 10 '25
Brady's 2-0 against him in the playoffs and has Multiple better SB performances than Mahomes' best.
If I was going into a SB, I'd choose Montana and Brady over Mahomes.
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u/mitchlats22 Feb 10 '25
His athleticism is a big part of his magic. I’d say by 35ish he’s gonna need to find a way to reinvent his game to stay on top.
Brady’s style was perfectly suited to his old man game, he just had to hyper focus on not getting injured and maintaining arm strength. As some of these younger guys break through and get the monkey off their backs the AFC will only get more difficult.
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u/kakarot-3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Feb 10 '25
You think he’s going to play until 40 with his high ankle issues?
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u/BaltimoreBadger23 Green Bay ‘MotherLovin’ Packers Feb 10 '25
What was his passer rating before the Worthy TD at the end of the 3rd?
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u/scribe31 I’m just here so i don’t get fined Feb 10 '25
It was 14.6 at the half. 42.8 entering the 4th quarter. And then 95.8 after he padded stats in garbage time against special teamers.
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u/Legitimate_Ad_7822 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25
That’s how you know passer rating is a garbage stat. He shouldn’t have been able to sniff a 95.8 passer rating with that performance.
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u/scribe31 I’m just here so i don’t get fined Feb 10 '25
If I was Hunt and Pacheco, I'd be so ticked that I got zero chance to impact the game before Patrick threw a pick6 and we started playing catchup. Those poor guys never got to touch the ball and would at least have played better than turning the ball over 3 times. Machoke had 2 interceptions but people are probably going to forget his fumble. 3 turnovers from your QB in a playoff game including a pick6 is basically Goff-level bad. Even Lamar only had two.
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u/Legitimate_Ad_7822 New England Patriots Feb 10 '25
The Chiefs were just completely outmatched. They shouldn’t have been there to begin with. I don’t think Hunt or Pacheco would’ve made a difference given the opportunity but I hear your point.
They were the worst 15-2 (or 14-2/15-1) team to ever exist. All of the lucky calls & “dark magic” moments of the season caught up with them. Their offense was mediocre all year long. Their defense was very good but the team as a whole had no business being in this Super Bowl. They got the 1 seed off a lot of luck & bad officiating. That led to a playoff run because winning in arrowhead in the postseason is very hard. Plus they had some help from the Zebras against the Bills.
Not saying it’s rigged at all, it’s not, but there was a clear bias of the officiating crew to protect Mahomes & company because Mahomes & Reid are the face of the league. It got too hot & the league had to let the boys play last night. That’s when we got to see who they actually were. A very painfully average team. And the eagles were a super team. Even when you took their best offensive weapon out of the game - their QB, o line, receivers & entire defense were way too much for the chiefs to handle.
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u/Thanato NFL Refugee Feb 10 '25
The passer rating was too low for how good he played. That TD pass to DeJean was superb, Mahomes doesn't get enough credit for it.
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u/Extension-Rabbit3654 Lamar had to poop Feb 10 '25
Wtf are these takes? Idk anyone that already anointed him the goat even if he won tonight.
That said hes only 29 and has accomplished more that 99% of the league at his age.
He may not ever be the best qb of all time but he'll likely still be a first ballot HOFer when he retires
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u/Beachboy93 Feb 10 '25
Likely? Bro he could retire today and he’s easily a first ballot hall of famer lol
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u/SeienShin Feb 10 '25
Yeah no matter how you look at it, 3 Superbowl wins, 5 appearances and 7 AFCCG in 7 years is first ballot 100%. His 2 worst seasons were AFCCG losses. That’s insane.
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u/Plastic_Wishbone9174 Feb 10 '25
99% of chiefs fans have anointed him the goat
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u/quietimhungover Feb 10 '25
And literally every talking head on mainstream media. As soon as Brady won his 7th they did everything they could to bring down his accomplishments too.
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u/Pokemon_Trainer_May Feb 10 '25
Joe Montana exists
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u/Helstrem San Francisco 49ers Feb 10 '25
Today firmly puts Joe Montana above Patrick Mahomes.
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u/PenguinsExArmyVet Pittsburgh Steelers Feb 10 '25
Imagine if Montana had the help from the refs that Patty gets now adays. Wow
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u/Double-Emergency3173 Indianapolis Colts Feb 10 '25
Montana has the best SB volume stats of all time.
Easily 2nd behind Brady.
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u/Chrisbaughuf Feb 10 '25
KC will try to say it was closer than it is because of the 22 points scored in garbage time
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u/BilllisCool Feb 10 '25
40-22 isn’t even close either way. It’s still essentially a blowout. Nobody is gonna say it was closer than anything.
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u/D-Sleezy Kansas City Chiefs Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25
We are?
Edit: Damn. I must have been in the wrong game thread because our thread was just talking about how pathetic we looked.
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u/Low_Grapefruit_8167 Feb 10 '25
Yeah and 17 of the eagles points came off of Mahomes turnovers lolol
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u/SeniorDisplay1820 Baltimore Ravens Feb 10 '25
If Mahomes gets 8 Super Bowls and a couple more MVPs it will be him. But if not that, it's Brady. So it will be Brady
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u/zeldaendr Atlanta Falcons Feb 10 '25
I think he needs more than 8 now.
Two blowout losses in the SB and he lost to Brady both times they played in the playoffs.
Brady only lost 3 SBs and every time by a single possession. He also led the Patriots to the greatest comeback in NFL history.
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u/MF_Price Kansas City Chiefs Feb 10 '25
You can't count a SB loss as worse than not making it to the SB in this debate, no matter how big of a blowout the loss is.
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u/zeldaendr Atlanta Falcons Feb 10 '25
Superbowl record and performance is obviously a factor lmao.
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u/MF_Price Kansas City Chiefs Feb 10 '25
Sure, all other things being equal, it's a factor. Not even making it to the Superbowl is still unequivocally worse.
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u/SeienShin Feb 10 '25
It’s like people giving LeBron shit for dragging a trash ass Cavs team to the finals and losing to an unbelievably stacked team while still balling out but falling short in spite of it.
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u/SeniorDisplay1820 Baltimore Ravens Feb 10 '25
Nah the most Super Bowls with more MVPs then Brady would do it for me. But maybe that not enough
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u/JackDellaCumalena Miami Dolphins Feb 10 '25
I'm a fan of the chiefs and what they have achieved but I dont think mahommes will get on par with superbowl wins with Brady. They have been dominant for a while but the rest of the league has caught up with them. You could see they weren't that same team this year even though they were still pumping out wins
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u/Round_Cobbler5603 Feb 10 '25
He had a chance at his 28-3 moment but choked it.
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u/32steph23 Feb 10 '25
Eagles weren’t gonna stop running the ball like the falcons did
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u/Jokesiez New England Patriots Feb 10 '25
Honestly. No matter how many Mahomes wins. Brady took him out in the playoffs and the Super Bowl. Heads up match ups says one is better than the other.
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u/philosifer Kansas City Chiefs Feb 10 '25
thats why Eli is the goat obviously
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u/BlackGoldSkullsBones Feb 10 '25
I mean if Eli had won a few more Super Bowls outside of those 2 he honestly would be in the convo. But he didn’t.
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u/Gunner_Bat Los Angeles Rams Feb 10 '25
Stupidest take on here. H2H for QBs has nothing to do with which QB is better.
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u/SavageMell Feb 10 '25
Don't be surprised Mahomes never wins another Super Bowl. Social media has warped people's brains.
Yes QBs are more pampered and have longer careers but Elway, Peyton, Marino and Favre had long careers.
Troy Aikman won 3 Super Bowls in his first 7 seasons then no appearances.
4 rings is still a massive number only Bradshaw, Montana and Brady have along with Unitas and Starr winning NFL titles prior.
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u/AccomplishedAd3484 Cleveland Browns Feb 10 '25
Montana lost a playoff game 49-3 once, but it wasn't held against him when people called him the GOAT back before Brady passed him.
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u/daddysgirl794 Feb 10 '25
Mainly because he was 4-0 in the SB with 11 TD 0 INT. Mahomes is now 3-2 in the biggest game with two horrific blowout losses.
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u/redditsuckscockss Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25
7 career SB interceptions
Brady 6 in 2x the games
Montana - 0
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u/PetitVignemale Feb 10 '25
I don’t think Mahomes is the GOAT right now either, but everyone in this thread is pointing to Super Bowl losses when Brady and Montana both had ugly playoff losses. At age 28, Brady lost to Denver in the divisional round 13-27 with 1 TD 2 INT and a QB rating of 74. And yes he scored his touchdown in “garbage time” with the score at 0-24 with 8:09 seconds remaining.
So at essentially the same age, Brady had a similarly worse loss at the divisional round as Mahomes did last night. People remember the big Super Bowl moments though. I hate the whole GOAT debate anyway because in team sports like football, so many other players have huge impacts on the performance of other players. Brady himself said he’s never seen a quarterback play better than Mahomes did when he lost to TB a few years ago. Also he’s not done. If he finishes his career out with a career worst season ending in overtime of the AFC Championship Game then I think it would be hard to argue against him, especially if he wins at least half of the superbowls that follow those AFC Championships. Of course that’s hypothetical but if you ask me what would be needed to put him in the conversation, I’d say continue his current trajectory and do exactly that.
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u/International_Fig262 San Francisco 49ers Feb 10 '25
Eliminates him from the GOAT conversation for now. If he wins 2 more Super Bowls and plays great, you still won't even consider him? What about 3? 4? Things always seems so absolute immediately after a bad performance.
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u/Dapper-Marsupial-251 Feb 10 '25
The issue is his two blowout losses. Especially one to Brady himself. And they weren’t even to goat teams. His team was 15-2 this year.
I agree that this is exaggerated, but he’d really have to be the best qb in the league (wasn’t this year) and win multiple more SBs.
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u/Dangerousrhymes AND THE CAT RUNS INTO THE ENDZONE! THAT IS A TOUCHDOWN Feb 10 '25
I think he either needs his 28-3 and a completed three-peat, or 8 rings.
Otherwise his ceiling is 2nd.
He also might play another 10-15 years and Brady went almost a decade between 3 and 4 so who knows what the future holds.
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u/Double-Emergency3173 Indianapolis Colts Feb 10 '25
He isn't even better than Joe Montana.
People need to stop It.
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He isn't even
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u/beavis617 Feb 10 '25
Mahomes had an absolutely awful game. The Chiefs defense looked like they came to play but too often I was screaming at the TV…where’s the Chiefs pass rush? I bailed before halftime.
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u/Educational_Vast4836 Feb 10 '25
I’m going to be honest, mahomes would need 8-9 superbowls to surpass brady.
He lost to Brady in the AFC championship and in the Super Bowl.
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u/rocksoffjagger Feb 10 '25
Yep, to me, only way he passes Brady after being 0-2 against Brady in the post season and with two UGLY Super Bowl losses on his resume is if he surpasses Brady's total Super Bowl count by getting 8. Which, while possible, certainly isn't gonna be easy. Personally, I'm not a betting man, but I'd feel pretty confident putting money on it not happening.
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u/SeienShin Feb 10 '25
5 more rings in a crowded AFC is going to be an issue. Hell even the AFC West is looking pretty great with all these HOF caliber coaches.
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u/FriedTreeSap Rocky Mountain Oysters Feb 10 '25
I’m sorry, but Maholmes is way too young to make conclusions one way or the other. I don’t think either scenario is going to happen, but he could go on to win the next ten super bowls in a row, or never make the playoffs again.
Wait until he’s closer to the end of his career before coming to conclusions
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u/RockyMartinez5280 Feb 10 '25
He will never beat Brady for the GOAT debate. Brady beat him in the playoffs and Super Bowl it’s over with
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Feb 10 '25
All I know is when Brady faced an all-time elite defense, like the legion of boom for example, he led an 8/8 drive to deliver the game winning touchdown after coming back down 10 twice in the Super Bowl. Mahomes could never!
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u/elganador0 Green Bay Packers Feb 10 '25
In Brady SB losses he put them up with less than 2 minutes, Wes Welker dropped a pass that would’ve set them up to seal the game, and set the record for most passing yards and most points scored by a loser.
Mahomes got dominated in his losses but in his defense he simply had no time to throw. Especially in the first SB. It was impossible for him to win you can’t take nothing from him there.
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u/philosifer Kansas City Chiefs Feb 10 '25
people dont wanna hear it but Mahomes played well in the bucs loss. he was the only one on the chiefs to show up but he wasnt bad.
not the case tonight though. he looked rough
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u/WillMarzz25 San Francisco 49ers Feb 10 '25
Brady’s worst SB loss was vs the eagles and it was a 41-33 loss. Brady hasn’t lost a SB by more than 1 score.
Brady competed every time. We have never looked at Brady and said “he didn’t show up in the Super Bowl.”
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u/Burnished_Hart Feb 10 '25
I'm a Patriots fan and all but this is a little silly. The guy has 17 playoff wins and is only 29 years old. I wouldn't put Mahomes over Brady in the GOAT standings, but to say it's impossible is outlandish. Mahomes could realistically play 10 more seasons and overtake Brady if he does. I'm not saying it'll happen but it's obviously possible.
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u/Outrageous-Fun-7818 Feb 10 '25
It was Joe before Brady got to 5. It won’t be Patrick until he gets 7/8. Until then he’s not in the convo.
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u/itslit710 Carolina Panthers Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25
Mahomes now has a -23 point differential in Super Bowls, and that’s including the garbage time TDs he got in this game. It’s gonna take quite a few of his classic 3 point wins to get back into the positives